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To feel upset to be told my DS doesn’t ‘stretch’ another child socially…

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GalaxyGone · 20/05/2025 18:06

DS has a best friend. They both have SEN. My son is very quiet and reserved. He has a speech delay. He is otherwise academically on track, is very happy and is emotionally pretty resilient.

His best friend is very verbal and likes to lead the play. She struggles more with emotional situations and can become easily upset.
The question has come up this year as to whether they should remain in the same class or move classes.

The Mum has spoken to SLT stating that she believes my DS doesn’t ‘stretch’ her DD in terms of language/play. However the Mum came to the conclusion that she believes they should stay in the same class.
I don’t feel comfortable about the suggestion that my son ‘doesn’t stretch’. I would never suggest that the friend doesn’t ‘stretch’ in terms of emotional resilience. I see it more that they support each other in these areas.
More recently on play dates, I see more that DS is being quite controlled in terms of what he can/can’t do. E.g - if he ‘wins’ at a game - his friend gets upset, or if he is ‘told off’ if he ‘looks at her’ if she is upset.

I really don’t know what to do. In many ways the friendship is very special - but I’m beginning to feel like DS is almost a ‘pawn’ to be moved around to suit another person?
AIBU??

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GalaxyGone · 21/05/2025 09:28

@Talulahalula

Yes, that’s why I’m trying to see - and that was how I reacted. I removed myself and DS from the situation because I think we were overwhelming her daughter.
A toy has been dropped and lost. A member of staff had been asked to get the toy which just wasn’t possible, so there was annoyance towards the staff member from the Mum. Friend was very upset and blamed her Mum for the incident. Mum agreed to her DD that it was Mum’s fault (it wasn’t - it wasn’t anyone’s fault). It then felt as if DS was then also being - perhaps almost blamed?? for looking at her. The Mum didn’t interject by saying DS is trying to help.
It felt like a situation has got out of control, and the way to regain control was by finding someone to blame. I think despite any diagnosis, I would have called it an accident otherwise surely it just ends up ultimately confusing if blame needs to be apportioned in that situation??
Another play date this evening, but I think
I'm going to stand up for my views and values more. One being that the Mum doesn’t like the multicultural aspect of our school. I had an amazing meal cooked for me on Sat by a Mum that friend’s Mum has said pretty unpleasant things about - so I’m going to highlight how we fully support the multicultural aspect of our school.
If this causes fireworks, then I will just let this Mum friendship fizzle out and become less intense.

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Talulahalula · 21/05/2025 08:22

GalaxyGone · 20/05/2025 23:30

@SuperTrooper14

SLT have always been a bit dismissive/prickly about DS as they wanted to reject his placement at the school. But that’s another story! I think they might have stated or agreed about the ‘stretching’.

I just don’t want him to negatively affected - or feel those vibes of rejection, that he doesn’t stretch others, being put down etc He is so happy and easy going.

Last week he tried to comfort his friend when she was upset and was told ‘don’t look at me’ - so he meekly looked at the floor.
I can’t let this happen to him, just because he accepts it without a fuss.

I agree with your broader points but your DS did the only thing he felt was right in the situation which was to look at the floor and not his friend, and I think that was right because she explicitly asked him not to look at her and he still stayed close in friendship. I think that was right and he should be praised for that. She’s allowed to ask him not to look at her when she is upset and he was great in respecting that.
I would be thinking very much about your DS’s strong points and verbalising these both to him and to anyone who goes on about him not ‘stretching’ people. He is offering other really important things.

ThisFirmPombear · 21/05/2025 08:09

From your last update Op, ask for them to be in different classes next year.

glittereyelash · 21/05/2025 07:02

That mum has been very thoughtless in her phrasing. I understand what she means is that she wants her daughter around other children who may help to develop her child's language skills. Thats not your child's purpose and its very upsetting to hear. Its hard for kids with SEN to build friendships and if the two children are happy with the relationship as it is then let them be. My son and nephew are both asd and very different from each other but with support have a lovely relationship. In terms of ability my nephew is far more advanced but that doesn't mean my son has nothing to offer. They are happy in each others company, look forward to seeing each other and they laugh a lot and thats all that matters.

GalaxyGone · 20/05/2025 23:30

@SuperTrooper14

SLT have always been a bit dismissive/prickly about DS as they wanted to reject his placement at the school. But that’s another story! I think they might have stated or agreed about the ‘stretching’.

I just don’t want him to negatively affected - or feel those vibes of rejection, that he doesn’t stretch others, being put down etc He is so happy and easy going.

Last week he tried to comfort his friend when she was upset and was told ‘don’t look at me’ - so he meekly looked at the floor.
I can’t let this happen to him, just because he accepts it without a fuss.

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Allinadayswork80 · 20/05/2025 20:39

Maybe it was meant as more a reflection of her own child and their challenges and needs, as opposed to a criticism of yours, altho it’s easy to see how you might take offence. The question was possibly about what she thinks her child needs to progress and how this may be achieved.

SuperTrooper14 · 20/05/2025 20:33

GalaxyGone · 20/05/2025 18:30

The Mum told me that she’d had this discussion with SLT. And that SLT had said that my child doesn’t stretch her child too.

I don't believe the SLT said this for a second, because a school would not expect one child to be responsible for another child's development. It's batshit bollocks, frankly.

Tinyrabbit · 20/05/2025 20:31

Omg - when was it decided that children are meant to "stretch" each other, or that any child, and particularly one with SEN, has any responsibility for another child's development?
Let children who like each other play together and learn kindness and sociability in a nurtering space. Wtf is wrong with people?

SuperTrooper14 · 20/05/2025 20:30

GalaxyGone · 20/05/2025 19:55

@SuperTrooper14

Oh I’m sorry. That is making me think. On playdates DS rarely gets to choose what to play, and even if he does choose something - he’ll get told to stop and do a game of his friend’s choosing,

I’m due a play date tomorrow, and I think I’m just going to have to take charge more - and show DS that he can take charge.

In fact, I’m going to ask him where he wants to go tomorrow - because that never happens! We are always told where to go!

By all means teach your son to advocate for himself, but you may find their dynamic is entrenched now – it would certainly seem that way from the batshit mum's comments about "stretching". I mean, come on! It's not your son's role to be playtime cannon fodder for her DD.

As I said in my first post, it was so detrimental to my DD to have her continue to be friends with a child who kept telling her what to do and had no interest in letting DD be herself. She's so much happier since she broke away and made new friends.

wannabewitch · 20/05/2025 20:30

OP - do not stress. one of my colleagues had a son same time I had one. I put him in the work nursery and he said this would not stretch his son ho was obviously super bright so he kumond and montessori his son to hell.

Last year mine went to Harvard and his went to Cardiff. Both good places but it does make me smile just a little!

Pigsears · 20/05/2025 20:15

Hearing a parent describe your child in terms of educational and social criteria- is harsh. A friendship scorecard of sorts. 'on balance, even though GlalxyGone junior doesn't yet meet the elastaboy criteria, another year together is the best option'....it would annoy me as it's said to me but from the other parents sole point of view and position of their child.

She is clumsy and lacks empathy. Is she always like this?

WellingtonBootilicious · 20/05/2025 20:09

LoztWorld · 20/05/2025 20:05

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. I am simply saying the OP shOuld remove the other mother from the equation when considering whether the friendship truly is or is not a good fit. Right now it sound like she might be overly inclined to separate the kids even if there’s really no major issue between them, just because the mother said something hurtful.

Not sure how you got that I think my kids should be centre of the universe!

It doesn’t matter. They are 6. Sadly the mother seems to come part & parcel of this friendship. It won’t do her son any favours.

I stand my my stance of separating them and letting him find his own friendship group. One where he doesn’t have to pander to anyone.
This friendship won’t exist in 5 years time. But the emotional and mental impact it will have is lasting.

He is at a very impressionable age.

LoztWorld · 20/05/2025 20:05

WellingtonBootilicious · 20/05/2025 20:00

I can only assume you are one of those mothers who assume everyone else is there to make your DC feel the centre of the universe.

They are not.

OP’s priorities should lie with the wellbeing of her child. This friendship doesn’t seem like a good fit for him. Therefore, I would separate them.

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. I am simply saying the OP shOuld remove the other mother from the equation when considering whether the friendship truly is or is not a good fit. Right now it sound like she might be overly inclined to separate the kids even if there’s really no major issue between them, just because the mother said something hurtful.

Not sure how you got that I think my kids should be centre of the universe!

WellingtonBootilicious · 20/05/2025 20:00

LoztWorld · 20/05/2025 19:58

The Op’s post is about the mother saying this “stretch” thing though, which is actually nothing to do with either child

Posters saying “fuck her and fuck her child” etc are clearly reacting based on largely what the mother said, which is a terrible basis for ending a friendship

If Op thinks the dynamic between the two friends is bad for her son then of course she should separate them, But this post was primarily about what the mother said, which is clearly colouring OPs view of the frIendship, when it’s truly neither here nor there

I can only assume you are one of those mothers who assume everyone else is there to make your DC feel the centre of the universe.

They are not.

OP’s priorities should lie with the wellbeing of her child. This friendship doesn’t seem like a good fit for him. Therefore, I would separate them.

Itseatingmeup · 20/05/2025 19:58

The friendship will naturally fizzle out if they aren't compatible. I don't think you need to do anything. Other than quietly think this woman is not very nice.

WellingtonBootilicious · 20/05/2025 19:58

I wouldn’t even entertain this at the age of 6. Get them separated and let your DS find some other friendships .

LoztWorld · 20/05/2025 19:58

WellingtonBootilicious · 20/05/2025 19:35

She’s already pretty much said her DC has to pander to this other child’s emotional wellbeing.
I wouldn’t be happy with that burden being put on my child.

He should be free to make friendships that are uplifting to him. He is not there to ‘stretch’ another child.

ETA- knowing the age is a big factor in this for me.

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The Op’s post is about the mother saying this “stretch” thing though, which is actually nothing to do with either child

Posters saying “fuck her and fuck her child” etc are clearly reacting based on largely what the mother said, which is a terrible basis for ending a friendship

If Op thinks the dynamic between the two friends is bad for her son then of course she should separate them, But this post was primarily about what the mother said, which is clearly colouring OPs view of the frIendship, when it’s truly neither here nor there

Littlemunchkinsmummy · 20/05/2025 19:57

Maybe your son will thrive more if he is given the opportunity to socialise with other children within the year group.
Sounds like this friendship whilst reassuring is holding or could hold him back from developing as an individual.
Maybe they should be in different classes 🤷‍♀️

GalaxyGone · 20/05/2025 19:56

Sorry - they are 6.

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GalaxyGone · 20/05/2025 19:55

@SuperTrooper14

Oh I’m sorry. That is making me think. On playdates DS rarely gets to choose what to play, and even if he does choose something - he’ll get told to stop and do a game of his friend’s choosing,

I’m due a play date tomorrow, and I think I’m just going to have to take charge more - and show DS that he can take charge.

In fact, I’m going to ask him where he wants to go tomorrow - because that never happens! We are always told where to go!

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WellingtonBootilicious · 20/05/2025 19:54

You still haven’t said how old they are

GalaxyGone · 20/05/2025 19:50

Thanknyou for all your responses, I do feel really torn! This friendship is very important to them both.
I think it’s less controlling at school, and I’ve also had them alone where it’s actually been a lot easier!
The difficulty seems to come more from playdates with the Mum/daughter. The daughter shows v controlling behaviour towards the Mum, and the Mum tends to pander to it/never challenges.
My other DC has exams coming up, and I really will have to pull back on the play dates (it’s currently once a week).

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SuperTrooper14 · 20/05/2025 19:46

As someone whose child was the same as your DS when younger – quiet, sensitive and with a speech delay (she had a stammer and need speech therapy) – can I please beg you to let the batshit mum move her kid as far away from yours as possible? Because my DD had a friend just like her DD – bossy and controlling and constantly imposing her will on our child. We should've asked to separate them at school and stopped having playdates but we didn't, we actively encouraged the friendship in fact, because we got on with the parents. It ended up being massively detrimental to our DD because the girl ended up bullying her with a group of new friends. Thankfully DD is now a teen and no longer friends with the girl by choice, but I kick myself that I didn't protect her when I had the chance to.

GardenGaff · 20/05/2025 19:46

I have a feeling that the school want to move them apart

I’d be inclined to agree with them being separated tbh. Your son sounds lovely, you’ve described him as happy, never mean, loves joining in games, emotionally resilient.

I think the opportunity to make some new friends would be a good thing and from what you’ve described I think he would have no issues in this regard.

Meanwhile little miss domineering, controlling, “doesn’t like to lose” can be “stretched” by kids that aren’t so affable as your lovely son and won’t be pushed around and let her win every single time.

BlueTitShark · 20/05/2025 19:43

GalaxyGone · 20/05/2025 18:30

The Mum told me that she’d had this discussion with SLT. And that SLT had said that my child doesn’t stretch her child too.

Except that that’s not your ds role. Stretching is for the teachers and other adukts in his life.
The other children? Theyre there for friendship. Not to stretch him language wise etc….

Im 😵‍💫😵‍💫 that even the SLT said that tbh.