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To think that female prison officers who fall in love with inmates are idiots?

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YourAmplePlumPoster · 19/05/2025 17:47

Following on from my romance scammers thread, I'd like to see the justifications for this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxqlneeng7o.amp

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TheHappyBug · 31/05/2025 20:14

You have posted that officer three times on this thread, starting to look like it’s personal.

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GreenIsMyFavoriteColour · 29/05/2025 13:25

GreenIsMyFavoriteColour · 29/05/2025 13:17

I don't doubt that, but you don't have to have sex with them and you don't have to smuggle stuff in for them. I'm sure there's a process if a crim tries to coerce something.

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Was replying to AlmostWelsh, sorry for the wrong quote!

GreenIsMyFavoriteColour · 29/05/2025 13:17

Whatevernext9 · 27/05/2025 10:46

It obviously is complex since so many people
don’t follow it. The idea that ‘rules’ are all that’s needed is hilarious given the context - people are in prison for breaking ‘rules’, prison staff break rules all the time and yet you seem surprised that people break rules.

(Teachers of children are an entirely different kettle of fish, so weird analogy).

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I don't doubt that, but you don't have to have sex with them and you don't have to smuggle stuff in for them. I'm sure there's a process if a crim tries to coerce something.

Almostwelsh · 29/05/2025 12:10

MrsSunshine2b · 27/05/2025 10:52

Yes, they're idiots, but these responses are wild.

If a male officer sleeps with a female inmate, we recognise that as a huge breach of trust.

These men might be murderers or rapists but they are prisoners. The punishment for their crime is being stripped of their freedom, power and agency. The men- however awful they are as people- are vulnerable in this situation. The person in the position of power was the prison officer.

I'm not so sure about that in male prisons. I have one local to me and it's said that the prisoners run the prison in all but name. People visiting have said that some of the officers appear visibly intimidated by some prisoners.

MrsSunshine2b · 27/05/2025 10:52

Yes, they're idiots, but these responses are wild.

If a male officer sleeps with a female inmate, we recognise that as a huge breach of trust.

These men might be murderers or rapists but they are prisoners. The punishment for their crime is being stripped of their freedom, power and agency. The men- however awful they are as people- are vulnerable in this situation. The person in the position of power was the prison officer.

Whatevernext9 · 27/05/2025 10:46

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/05/2025 20:49

It's not complex to follow rules that tell you not to get involved with people who might be a danger to you. Teachers are told not to have relationships with their students for the same reasons. What bit of that do you not understand?

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It obviously is complex since so many people
don’t follow it. The idea that ‘rules’ are all that’s needed is hilarious given the context - people are in prison for breaking ‘rules’, prison staff break rules all the time and yet you seem surprised that people break rules.

(Teachers of children are an entirely different kettle of fish, so weird analogy).

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YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/05/2025 20:49

verycloakanddaggers · 21/05/2025 23:08

Love the idea an induction course is all that's needed to prevent complex human issues.

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It's not complex to follow rules that tell you not to get involved with people who might be a danger to you. Teachers are told not to have relationships with their students for the same reasons. What bit of that do you not understand?

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YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/05/2025 08:08

Another one:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/c68f37806b64607a

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GreenIsMyFavoriteColour · 24/05/2025 05:55

TempestTost · 19/05/2025 20:01

The fact is that quite a lot of women find the capacity for violence an attractive thing in men. Which I suppose is some lizard brain artefact. And some women are particularly attracted to that in criminal types.

Many women are enjoy positive sexual attention from men.

The whole "rebel reformed by love" is a huge romantic trope, one that dominates women's pornography romance novels.

In my experience quite a lot of otherwise fairly competent women can have these kinds of feelings, I've seen it in nurses surprisingly often. I wouldn't be surprised if it might be part of the interest in being prison guards for some women.

Thanks @TempestTost . I think that's as close as I'm going to get to an answer to the question: "Why do the women do it?".

MintChocCat · 22/05/2025 07:22

gelatogina · 21/05/2025 14:05

This has to be the worst one surely…what the fuck was she thinking?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14523721/amp/Prison-worker-CCTV-Zara-Aleenas-killer-Jordan-McSweeney-relationship-jailed.html

(sorry for the mail link, couldn’t find anything else that wasn’t behind a paywall)

Grim.

Whatevernext9 · 21/05/2025 23:41

CountryQueen · 21/05/2025 22:57

Vile. But that is not a prison officer and her recruitment will be contracted out to a local education provider.

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The article describes her as a prison officer and as a Band 3 workshop instructor - either way, she’s employed by HMPPS, not by an education provider.

NorthernLights5 · 21/05/2025 23:25

YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/05/2025 18:12

We don't hear anything about male prison officers being dismissed because of relationships or rape of female prisoners because it is very rare. The prison service likes to recruit females in the male estate because they are calmed by the presence of women and they enjoy female company which they miss. Female teachers or mentors are always more popular than their male counterparts. Unfortunately, the prison service has seen this influx of vacuous Instagram bimbos who have no care for the prisoners or even for themselves.

It's not rare at all! Female prisoners are sexually assaulted all the time! And they have relationships with male guards too, frequently.

Prisoners can be very manipulative. And I do think 21 is very young to do a job like that. An officer at our prison was recruited at 19 (I think) and started off giving chewing gum to some prisoners. Then biscuits etc. Eventually he was bringing in phones. It was built up over a long period of time. Yes obviously he is accountable but you can see how some people get in those situations.

Some women have a weird obsession with dangerous men and ones in prison, ironically, are seen as "safe" because they can't get to them in real life. Chris Watts receives gifts and mail from women all the time and he killed his pregnant wife and their two little girls. Even Dahmer had "fan mail".

verycloakanddaggers · 21/05/2025 23:08

YourAmplePlumPoster · 19/05/2025 18:07

Did you not receive an induction course and warned about the dangers?

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Love the idea an induction course is all that's needed to prevent complex human issues.

JHound · 21/05/2025 23:05

YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/05/2025 19:03

The proof is that I worked in the male prison estate and I was told this by my boss.

So not proof just personal anecdote.

CountryQueen · 21/05/2025 22:57

gelatogina · 21/05/2025 14:05

This has to be the worst one surely…what the fuck was she thinking?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14523721/amp/Prison-worker-CCTV-Zara-Aleenas-killer-Jordan-McSweeney-relationship-jailed.html

(sorry for the mail link, couldn’t find anything else that wasn’t behind a paywall)

Vile. But that is not a prison officer and her recruitment will be contracted out to a local education provider.

Gettingbysomehow · 21/05/2025 14:40

When you start prison training they tell you exactly what the penalty is for these types of behaviours. I never wanted to pay that kind of penalty personally so wasn't at all tempted.

BarneyRonson · 21/05/2025 14:30

Unintelligent, yes, not well mentally, yes, incapable of making good decisions, definitely. These female prison officers weren’t fit for the job. The training and interviewing should be more rigorous. But the wrong person in a job and result will be problems.

5128gap · 21/05/2025 14:22

YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/05/2025 18:12

We don't hear anything about male prison officers being dismissed because of relationships or rape of female prisoners because it is very rare. The prison service likes to recruit females in the male estate because they are calmed by the presence of women and they enjoy female company which they miss. Female teachers or mentors are always more popular than their male counterparts. Unfortunately, the prison service has seen this influx of vacuous Instagram bimbos who have no care for the prisoners or even for themselves.

How do we know its rare? It's actually been very poorly researched so we dont really know. Perhaps you can link to evidence I've not seen. There is US data that says male employees have raped and sexually assaulted female prisoners in two thirds of US prisons. So it's certainly not rare there.

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YourAmplePlumPoster · 21/05/2025 14:16

Christ.

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Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 21/05/2025 13:53

Isn't this due to the huge problems pretty much every prison is having in recruiting and retaining staff?

I recently heard some interviews on the radio, and realised that the prison service is so desperate that:
(a) there is much less vetting than there was in the past - and some recruitment is being done online, rather than with a face-to-face interview
(b) the length of time spent training new officers (teaching them how to deal with highly manipulative prisoners etc) keeps being cut, shorter and shorter.

In Norway, aspiring prison officers are expected to undergo a university-accredited course lasting two years. The situation varies widely around the world - in most places there is a mixture of formal and informal training, shadowing etc - covering all the knowledge and skills required - but in the UK the basic training now only lasts something like 10-12 weeks!

LauraP32 · 21/05/2025 13:50

missmollygreen · 19/05/2025 18:37

Loving the MN double standards going on yet again.
If these where male prison officers sleeping with female inmates all we would be seeing was how these male officers are abusing their position of power and taking advantage of vulnerable women.

But when the shoe is on the other foot...

That's exactly what I thought.

MintChocCat · 21/05/2025 13:20

jackdunnock · 19/05/2025 22:10

Not idiots, they know exactly what they're doing - exploiting prisoners for cheap sexual thrills. Just the same as if it were male prison officers with female prisoners.

Don’t think it’s as black & white as this - think in some cases it could be grooming / manipulation… every case is different imo. But there may be some trends.

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 21/05/2025 12:59

YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/05/2025 19:03

The proof is that I worked in the male prison estate and I was told this by my boss.

When was this, it’s not my experience at all

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