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Starmer is about to reverse Brexit

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TheQuirkyMaker · 19/05/2025 11:27

Is is right that an unpopular govt can reverse the democratic wishes of the UK to have nothing to do with Europe?

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brexitbarbie · 27/05/2025 08:35

@thepariscrimefiles

"I'm assuming that you are referencing their anti-EU stance out of ignorance rather than knowledge."

Then you would be wrong.

It is actually Morningstar - https://www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/news/archive.aspx

thepariscrimefiles · 27/05/2025 08:10

brexitbarbie · 26/05/2025 17:53

Please see my post about Germany's recession, which is current.

Germany is in a period of economic difficulty that some consider a recession.

According to the BBC, and other sources like Morningstar and Sky News, Germany's economy has contracted for two consecutive years, and there's a strong likelihood of another year of stagnation or even further contraction in 2025

It's 'the Morning Star'. It's a left wing paper, formerly founded as the Daily Worker by the British Communist Party, that has never supported the EU considering it to be elitist and anti-working class.

I very much doubt that you are anti-EU from a left wing perspective given your posts so I'm assuming that you are referencing their anti-EU stance out of ignorance rather than knowledge.

Alexandra2001 · 27/05/2025 08:04

roses2 · 27/05/2025 07:54

The general population are idiots, look what happened last time the vote was put to the people.

Yep, couldn't even name a bloody boat without being idiotic!

Any re-joining of the EU or EFTA etc aim should be in a manifesto, as closer ties with the EU was in Labours one.

Haha! It wasn't that I couldn't be arsed, I was just supremely confident we would vote Remain. As was all the press, polls and the Prime Minister. Don't blame us non-voters, blame the Remain campaign

All polling leading into the final days/weeks of the vote were all within the margin of error for a Leave win, anyone who thought otherwise wasn't paying attention.

MayaPinion · 27/05/2025 08:04

TheQuirkyMaker · 23/05/2025 08:27

Haha! It wasn't that I couldn't be arsed, I was just supremely confident we would vote Remain. As was all the press, polls and the Prime Minister. Don't blame us non-voters, blame the Remain campaign.

No, it was the people who, in the end, didn’t vote. All the hyperbole, campaigning, information, misinformation, mud slinging, bar brawls, Farage and his cronies making empty promises they couldn’t keep, Johnson with his snout in the trough, weak weasel Cameron, Corbyn (WTF?)…the ONLY thing that mattered, in spite of all that guff, was the vote in the ballot box. That’s the only thing that mattered.

roses2 · 27/05/2025 07:54

Clearinguptheclutter · 19/05/2025 11:37

He absolutely is not. There will be some tweaks to the trading relationship with our biggest trading partner.

I wish he would, or at least put it to the people again. He’s pretty spineless IMO.

The general population are idiots, look what happened last time the vote was put to the people.

thepariscrimefiles · 27/05/2025 07:54

TheQuirkyMaker · 24/05/2025 21:56

No, Nige reckons Brexit hasn't been done, which is why it is appears a disaster. He and Tice will stop all immigration, develop a closer relationship with the US, and make benefit claimants earn their benefits.
We'll have less in the way of "uman rites" and "elf'n'safety" legislation so we can unleash productivity. We shall also scrap Net Zero and all the crazy DEI initiatives which are crippling the UK labour market. It is worth a try, don't you think?

Ah, the good old days before health and safety regulations! I assume that Nigel will re-open the pits, bring back coal fires and send small children up chimneys and down the mines.

How do you and Nigel figure that Brexit hasn't been done? Are we still in the European Union (the question on the ballor papers said 'Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?'). The majority said 'leave' and we have left. Nigel is a grievance politician, that's what he is good at.

A lot of the right wing thugs supporting Reform hardly have two brain cells to rub together so probably wouldn't fare particularly well in the dog eat dog, survival of the fittest society that Nigel wants.

inkognithia · 27/05/2025 07:53

brexitbarbie · 26/05/2025 23:24

I don't see the point in re-inventing the wheel.

Or the point in doing your own research into the actual facts instead of just copy/pasting unverified AI drivel, apparently.

But the hill you've chosen to die on isn't really relevant, is it?

This thread is not about the UK having full membership in the EU and never was; it is about the UK very sensibly forging closer ties with our European friends and neighbours - who collectively form the largest trading block on the planet - in an effort to improve our substandard position on the world stage; something that is increasingly vital with the physical threat of Russia and the economic threat of the US.

To suggest we shouldn't seek to forge these ties and to continue to hobble ourselves is to actively work against the national interest; the very definition of unpatriotic.

brexitbarbie · 26/05/2025 23:24

Alexandra2001 · 26/05/2025 19:46

....that some consider a "recession...."

Googles AI overview... FFS thats hilarious, haven't you got any original thought?

I don't see the point in re-inventing the wheel.

Tekknonan · 26/05/2025 19:51

You have a weird idea of what 'democratic' means.

DuncinToffee · 26/05/2025 19:49

The Morningstar is quite niche

Alexandra2001 · 26/05/2025 19:46

brexitbarbie · 26/05/2025 17:53

Please see my post about Germany's recession, which is current.

Germany is in a period of economic difficulty that some consider a recession.

According to the BBC, and other sources like Morningstar and Sky News, Germany's economy has contracted for two consecutive years, and there's a strong likelihood of another year of stagnation or even further contraction in 2025

....that some consider a "recession...."

Googles AI overview... FFS thats hilarious, haven't you got any original thought?

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/05/2025 19:12

brexitbarbie · 26/05/2025 17:54

Why does it matter to you what nationality I am?🤔

Because if you're not British you're not living with the consequences of Brexit. So why so invested?

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/05/2025 18:52

brexitbarbie · 26/05/2025 17:27

What, even when it's going down the tubes ?

Previously Greece asked for a financial rescue by the European Union and International Monetary Fund. Bailouts - emergency loans aimed at saving sinking economies - began in 2010. Greece received three successive packages, totalling €289bn (£259bn; $330bn), but they came with the price of drastic austerity measures. There were in 2010, 2012, 2015

All the other Member States had to foot the bill (that included UK).

Will Germany be the next one needing a bailout I wonder?

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You think we should tie ourselves to up and coming markets only? At huge inconvenience and economic expense?

What places do you deign good enough for the UK to do business with, if not the one on our doorstep? The only one we have a land border with?🤯

pointythings · 26/05/2025 18:14

brexitbarbie · 26/05/2025 17:53

Please see my post about Germany's recession, which is current.

Germany is in a period of economic difficulty that some consider a recession.

According to the BBC, and other sources like Morningstar and Sky News, Germany's economy has contracted for two consecutive years, and there's a strong likelihood of another year of stagnation or even further contraction in 2025

And what do you think is going to happen to the US economy in the next 4 years (this is aside from all the authoritarianism-bordering-on-full-blown-fascism stuff)?

Hint: it's armoured and moves on tracks.

Meanwhile, the UK is doing its best to open up markets it stupidly slammed the door on under the previous government.

HangryLikeTheHulk · 26/05/2025 18:04

It really doesn’t matter how economies within the EU perform from day to day. It’s not about that, and just because eg Germany isn’t doing well, that has no bearing on whether the efficiencies of frictionless trade are advantageous for a market participants or not.

Brexit added much friction, reversing it completely as well as joining Schengen would be my preference, but an interim deal to address some of these frictions is very welcome and helps British businesses.

HRTQueen · 26/05/2025 18:03

Germany is in recession and things are difficult there at present (according to a number of friends)

the standard of living is still higher than here in the uk

it’s quite a shock when you go to Germany the stark contrast to here on how clean it is, how well maintained roads and hospitals are, how good services are

they are facing similar issues to what we are here but there is generally more share of wealth which helps the economy grow

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 26/05/2025 17:58

brexitbarbie · 26/05/2025 17:54

Why does it matter to you what nationality I am?🤔

Because if you're not British, spending your time on a British parenting website posting pro Brexit propaganda like it's 2015 is a very odd thing to do.

brexitbarbie · 26/05/2025 17:54

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 26/05/2025 17:51

You're not British, are you?

Why does it matter to you what nationality I am?🤔

brexitbarbie · 26/05/2025 17:53

BIossomtoes · 26/05/2025 17:42

Your summary is ancient history.

Please see my post about Germany's recession, which is current.

Germany is in a period of economic difficulty that some consider a recession.

According to the BBC, and other sources like Morningstar and Sky News, Germany's economy has contracted for two consecutive years, and there's a strong likelihood of another year of stagnation or even further contraction in 2025

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 26/05/2025 17:51

brexitbarbie · 26/05/2025 17:38

Just read my summary and you'll see different.

You're not British, are you?

brexitbarbie · 26/05/2025 17:50

pointythings · 26/05/2025 17:40

Your summary's most recent event is 11 years ago.
Brexiteer wishful thinking still intact among some, I see.

Err no.

Greece's bailouts were some time ago but Germany's recession is recent - like now.

BIossomtoes · 26/05/2025 17:42

brexitbarbie · 26/05/2025 17:38

Just read my summary and you'll see different.

Your summary is ancient history.

pointythings · 26/05/2025 17:40

brexitbarbie · 26/05/2025 17:38

Just read my summary and you'll see different.

Your summary's most recent event is 11 years ago.
Brexiteer wishful thinking still intact among some, I see.

brexitbarbie · 26/05/2025 17:38

BIossomtoes · 26/05/2025 17:28

It’s not going down the tubes. HTH.

Just read my summary and you'll see different.

pointythings · 26/05/2025 17:37

brexitbarbie · 26/05/2025 16:30

For those that bothered to read my post about the economic collapse of the EU,
I listed some very good reasons not to align ourselves with that sinking ship.

As someone who has many, many family members across many EU countries, I can tell you that your sinking ship beliefs are wishful thinking.

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