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Starmer is about to reverse Brexit

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TheQuirkyMaker · 19/05/2025 11:27

Is is right that an unpopular govt can reverse the democratic wishes of the UK to have nothing to do with Europe?

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brexitbarbie · 27/05/2025 16:02

MonoMono · 27/05/2025 15:59

The last leg of the loans. Greece paid off the IMF in 2022 and by 2024 had paid 22 billion with the rest aimed for 2031, 10 years earlier than the agreed 2041. All bailout loans came with interest.

You really do cherry pick to suit your narrative don't you.

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Not "cherry-picking" - facts.

The loan is due to be paid by 2031 - fact.

Do you have a problem with facts ?

MonoMono · 27/05/2025 15:59

brexitbarbie · 27/05/2025 15:31

Which won't be paid back until 2031

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The last leg of the loans. Greece paid off the IMF in 2022 and by 2024 had paid 22 billion with the rest aimed for 2031, 10 years earlier than the agreed 2041. All bailout loans came with interest.

You really do cherry pick to suit your narrative don't you.

DuncinToffee · 27/05/2025 15:57

Did you vote in the referendum @brexitbarbie?

brexitbarbie · 27/05/2025 15:56

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brexitbarbie · 27/05/2025 15:52

pointythings · 27/05/2025 14:28

And then.... the electorate in the region voted him in again as a Lib Dem. Hardly universal disillusionment.

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You are wrong (Google is a wonderful thing !)

He defected to the Lib Dems because he was thrashed by the Labour candidate Veronical Hardstaff in the 1994 EU election.in Lincolnshire & Humberside South. this was under a "First past the post" system.

He went off to lick his wounds for a while then came back as a Lib Dem and was voted in by the East Midlands in 2004.
That was under a Proportional Representational system.

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/05/2025 15:42

brexitbarbie · 27/05/2025 15:26

At least US meat is "on the hook" not "on the hoof".

People do have a free choice whether to buy it or not.

"And we know the vast majority of Leave voters did not vote as they did for animal welfare reasons."

No-one knows why the majority of Leave voters voted "Leave", so don't make stuff up.

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The ones I know voted Leave, to destabilise the Union, because they fell for lies, because God told them to, they saw criminal benefits or because they were racist.

Most people did not vote Leave for animal welfare reasons FFS.🙈

brexitbarbie · 27/05/2025 15:31

MonoMono · 27/05/2025 15:23

LOANS. Eu citizens didn't pay. They were loans, but you know that.

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Which won't be paid back until 2031

brexitbarbie · 27/05/2025 15:26

pointythings · 27/05/2025 14:27

Whilst this is a valid point, it is also a matter of single issue thinking. And we know the vast majority of Leave voters did not vote as they did for animal welfare reasons. If they had, they wouldn't be so keen on US meat imports.

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At least US meat is "on the hook" not "on the hoof".

People do have a free choice whether to buy it or not.

"And we know the vast majority of Leave voters did not vote as they did for animal welfare reasons."

No-one knows why the majority of Leave voters voted "Leave", so don't make stuff up.

MonoMono · 27/05/2025 15:23

brexitbarbie · 26/05/2025 17:27

What, even when it's going down the tubes ?

Previously Greece asked for a financial rescue by the European Union and International Monetary Fund. Bailouts - emergency loans aimed at saving sinking economies - began in 2010. Greece received three successive packages, totalling €289bn (£259bn; $330bn), but they came with the price of drastic austerity measures. There were in 2010, 2012, 2015

All the other Member States had to foot the bill (that included UK).

Will Germany be the next one needing a bailout I wonder?

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LOANS. Eu citizens didn't pay. They were loans, but you know that.

brexitbarbie · 27/05/2025 15:19

pointythings · 27/05/2025 14:28

And then.... the electorate in the region voted him in again as a Lib Dem. Hardly universal disillusionment.

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Well, if they wanted a turncoat that's up to them.

brexitbarbie · 27/05/2025 15:17

Tomatotater · 27/05/2025 14:52

That's actually a disgrace. Banning live exports to somewhere a couple of hours away but allowing then from.somewhere 24 hours away? No wonder the Austealians and NZ were so astonished at the deal they got. This is what happens when Brexiteers are so desperate to prove Brexit was a good idea, despite all evidence to the contrary that they just cave to every request just to show that on paper they made a deal. No matter how crap it is.

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Please see my reply at 15.13.

So maybe you should apologise for your uncalled-for remarks?

brexitbarbie · 27/05/2025 15:13

DuncinToffee · 27/05/2025 14:37

The FTA deals the UK made with Australia and New Zealand allows the import of live animals to the UK

You are only partially correct.

Single live animals can be imported for breeding purposes. Most will be transported by air but in any event they will be carried in far superior conditions than those put on lorries.
There are specialist companies that transport such animals and they make sure that their welfare needs are met en route.
Own crate, bedding, food and water provided etc

Tomatotater · 27/05/2025 14:52

DuncinToffee · 27/05/2025 14:37

The FTA deals the UK made with Australia and New Zealand allows the import of live animals to the UK

That's actually a disgrace. Banning live exports to somewhere a couple of hours away but allowing then from.somewhere 24 hours away? No wonder the Austealians and NZ were so astonished at the deal they got. This is what happens when Brexiteers are so desperate to prove Brexit was a good idea, despite all evidence to the contrary that they just cave to every request just to show that on paper they made a deal. No matter how crap it is.

GRCP · 27/05/2025 14:45

Labour - unpopular? They won by a historic landslide.
Brexit was basically 50/50

DuncinToffee · 27/05/2025 14:37

The FTA deals the UK made with Australia and New Zealand allows the import of live animals to the UK

DuncinToffee · 27/05/2025 14:28

Or the import of foie gras

pointythings · 27/05/2025 14:28

brexitbarbie · 27/05/2025 13:40

No need to be sarcastic.

They were very disillusioned and wrote and told him so.

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And then.... the electorate in the region voted him in again as a Lib Dem. Hardly universal disillusionment.

pointythings · 27/05/2025 14:27

brexitbarbie · 27/05/2025 13:39

@MissCharlotteLutterell For those who did not read my Brexit Advantage or dismissed it out of hand I am repeating it here.

Being a Member of the EU stopped the UK unilaterally implementing a ban on Live Exports. This was because the EU classed animals as “goods” and not as sentient beings and EU Regulations allowed free movement of “goods”.
So a ban would have impeded trade with other EU Member States.

Now we are no longer in the EU and finally after 50 years of campaigning the Animal Welfare (Livestock Exports) Act 2024 has been passed to stop live transport of animals from UK.
(The EU still supports this vile trade.)

It was sponsored by Steve Barclay MP and Lord Douglas Miller.

It says a great deal about some Members of the EU Parliament if they think sentient creatures should be classed as "goods, so they can be subjected to the cruelty of being transported alive (sometimes for hundreds of miles.)

Anyone who supports the EU and this cruel trade needs to examine their moral compass.
animalequality.org/blog/live-animal-transport/

Whilst this is a valid point, it is also a matter of single issue thinking. And we know the vast majority of Leave voters did not vote as they did for animal welfare reasons. If they had, they wouldn't be so keen on US meat imports.

brexitbarbie · 27/05/2025 13:40

DuncinToffee · 27/05/2025 12:57

Hope your parents were alright after that ordeal.

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No need to be sarcastic.

They were very disillusioned and wrote and told him so.

brexitbarbie · 27/05/2025 13:39

@MissCharlotteLutterell For those who did not read my Brexit Advantage or dismissed it out of hand I am repeating it here.

Being a Member of the EU stopped the UK unilaterally implementing a ban on Live Exports. This was because the EU classed animals as “goods” and not as sentient beings and EU Regulations allowed free movement of “goods”.
So a ban would have impeded trade with other EU Member States.

Now we are no longer in the EU and finally after 50 years of campaigning the Animal Welfare (Livestock Exports) Act 2024 has been passed to stop live transport of animals from UK.
(The EU still supports this vile trade.)

It was sponsored by Steve Barclay MP and Lord Douglas Miller.

It says a great deal about some Members of the EU Parliament if they think sentient creatures should be classed as "goods, so they can be subjected to the cruelty of being transported alive (sometimes for hundreds of miles.)

Anyone who supports the EU and this cruel trade needs to examine their moral compass.
animalequality.org/blog/live-animal-transport/

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 27/05/2025 13:34

Alexandra2001 · 27/05/2025 13:22

What did you win? a Coconut!

Farage will again promise many things and the gullible will believe him....

One reason i didn't vote Leave is because anyone with a modicum of intelligence could see he was promising a "wish list" that was all, nothing of substance.
It was all "we could do this, we could do that" but nothing concrete.

He is following the same script once again, "Fool me once....."

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They won a pair of clown shoes and a bendy banana.

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/05/2025 13:34

TheQuirkyMaker · 27/05/2025 11:24

At the end of the day, Leave won! We won, yay! If you want to join with the winners, join Reform UK! Nige is making a major speech today and will show how he will lower prices, end immigration and free the UK from the remaining burdensome EU regulation, things the Tories and Labour have failed to do!

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We won, yay!

You didn't win, you wanted to Remain, but didn't vote, remember? You didn't even know what the question was. You thought it was a vote for the UK to have nothing to do with the EU.🤦‍♀️

Alexandra2001 · 27/05/2025 13:22

TheQuirkyMaker · 27/05/2025 11:24

At the end of the day, Leave won! We won, yay! If you want to join with the winners, join Reform UK! Nige is making a major speech today and will show how he will lower prices, end immigration and free the UK from the remaining burdensome EU regulation, things the Tories and Labour have failed to do!

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What did you win? a Coconut!

Farage will again promise many things and the gullible will believe him....

One reason i didn't vote Leave is because anyone with a modicum of intelligence could see he was promising a "wish list" that was all, nothing of substance.
It was all "we could do this, we could do that" but nothing concrete.

He is following the same script once again, "Fool me once....."

HangryLikeTheHulk · 27/05/2025 13:15

TheQuirkyMaker · 27/05/2025 11:24

At the end of the day, Leave won! We won, yay! If you want to join with the winners, join Reform UK! Nige is making a major speech today and will show how he will lower prices, end immigration and free the UK from the remaining burdensome EU regulation, things the Tories and Labour have failed to do!

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And subsequently Labour won. We won ! Yay !

With a manifesto promising to build stronger, closer relationships with the EU.

Which is exactly what they’re doing.