Starmer is about to reverse Brexit

And I will answer your question about where young British people can work. They can work in the European offices of global businesses to build their careers. They can do summer jobs or spend a year or two working abroad to gain a broader understanding of life or indulge a passion. They can learn languages to set them up for global success. They can work in technology or science or the arts in institutions and businesses that don’t exist in the UK. I don’t struggle to see what opportunities are re-opening for our young people.

It’s a visa scheme on both sides that won’t allow unlimited numbers in either direction.

You’re still not answering my question. An economic analysis, by actual economists, that says ‘getting involved in’ in the EU will cost us money? (I realise your own term is vague enough that economists may have struggled to articulate it but I assume you made your claim based on something as you did say yourself there are differing economic models.)

This deal was supposed to be reviewed and re-negotiated in Jan 2026.

Starmer has given away our control over this.

Why on earth would we want to get involved with a failing EU Superstate?

We still don't know what the cost of this Starmer deal will be.

We are about to be over-run with thousands of unemployed youth coming here from the EU to "learn English" by eg.working in a bar, Then they get married, have a child and apply to stay. This will be allowed because of their "right to a family life"

And before anyone tells me that it gives UK youth the right to work abroad, please tell me where?

In Feb 2025, Spain had a youth unemployment rate of 26.4%, one of the highest in the EU. This is significantly higher than the EU average of 14.5%, with Germany having the lowest at 6.5%.

In January to March 2025, the youth unemployment rate in the UK for 16-24 year olds was 14.2%, up from 13.2% the previous year. This means there were 620,000 young people unemployed, an increase of 59,000 compared to the previous year,

We have enough problems of our own with youth unemployment without taking in idle beggars from the EU.
There is no mention of a cap or time-limit on this.

So much for cutting immigration !

That doesn’t support your statement that it will cost us money if we ‘get involved with the EU’ though. Unlike the full OBR analysis that it is costing us money to have left.

GasPanic · 19/05/2025 11:48

Well he's about to decimate the domestic fishing industry to the benefit of some other groups such as the agricultural sector as a whole.

Well, if by "decimate" you mean carry on allowing EU fishermen access to certain UK waters and and British fishermen access to certain EU waters, as per the last 5 years of Johnson's agreement, well yes, you're right...

https://news.sky.com/story/germany-europes-largest-economy-is-facing-a-third-consecutive-year-of-recession-13289549

Several EU countries are experiencing declines in population and economic growth, particularly in Eastern and Southern Europe. These declines are attributed to factors like low birth rates, aging populations, and limited net inward migration, as well as economic challenges faced by some member states

I’d love to see your economic analysis for that statement.

It will cost us more money if we get involved with the EU.

Have you seen how many EU countries are in decline?

Brexit has cost us money and will continue to do so.

I suppose it depends who's crunching the numbers.

The exact magnitude of the economic consequences of Brexit is still a subject of debate, with varying estimates and methodologies.
It's difficult to isolate the effects of Brexit from other economic factors, such as the COVID-19 pandemic and global economic trends.

Several EU economies are facing challenges, with Germany and France experiencing slow growth and political instability, and some countries grappling with high debt and weak economic fundamentals. While some economies like Malta, Spain, and Portugal have seen positive growth, others are struggling to recover from the pandemic and face persistent economic issues

Germany's economy has been described as stagnating, with a lack of growth in recent years. This is attributed to various factors, including a decline in the auto industry, a shortage of skilled workers, and a struggle to adapt to the changing global landscape

Hitching our wagon to any part of the EU is a disaster IMO

The thing is, most people don’t care about any of that. They do care about the immense economic damage that Brexit has done our country though. news.sky.com/story/brexit-new-report-suggests-uk-311bn-worse-off-by-2035-due-to-leaving-eu-13046256

So what about the deal we had with France to stop the boats coming over?

We've bunged them £millions and still the dingies keep coming.

Someone isn't holding their end up here....

Good grief. ChatGPT Farage has entered the thread.

ODFOD

Brexit, was argued to offer several benefits, including enhanced sovereignty, the ability to negotiate trade deals independently, and greater flexibility in setting domestic policies. Additionally, some argued that Brexit allows for more agile regulatory frameworks and the potential for increased global influence.

Benefits:-
Increased Sovereignty:
Brexit allowed the UK to control its own laws and regulations, including immigration, trade, and environmental policies, without being bound by EU directives.

Starmer has now put us back under the control of the European Court of Justice.
Also we are also now subject to the EU's Carbon Tax.
The trade deal commits UK to emissions caps as industry grapples with sky-high energy costs
Households face higher energy bills under an EU deal that limits Britain’s ability to change its Net Zero rules. It makes it harder for any future government to water down green targets without triggering trade penalties.
Independent Trade Agreements:
The UK can now negotiate trade deals with countries outside the EU, potentially accessing new markets and streamlining trade flows.

Regulatory Flexibility:
The UK government can tailor regulations to suit the UK's specific needs, potentially reducing bureaucratic burdens and promoting innovation.

Control of Finances:
The UK no longer contributes to the EU budget, allowing for the redirection of funds towards domestic priorities.

We'll be ripped off and made a fool of again. Worse than before.

That is very, very true. You will be.

But not by the EU.

Exactly this!

This

The OP will just be some sort of AI bot. Post a provocative statement as though it's true as a title knowing that's all a lot of people will read. There's quite a lot of it about.

OP has not returned. Hopefully it sunk in.

Are you quite alright, op? With 41% of our exports going to and 51% of our imports coming from the EU, are you seriously suggesting that people voted to 'have nothing to do with' Europe? This would be spectacularly stupid, wouldn't it?

Shush. Don't spoil the persecution complex narrative.

I expect Nige won't get votes over this, he's trying to undo the mess that Nige caused.

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