Starmer is about to reverse Brexit

I wish he was as it should never have happened in the first place having a referendum on something so complex was absolutely ridiculous

but he isn’t he is though creating a closer working relationship with the EU which will be positive

brexitbarbie

There was this though in 2008;

Outraged Sainsbury's drops plan to sell wonky vegetables because staff could be prosecuted.
A leading supermarket has been forced to ditch a healthy eating campaign at the eleventh hour after discovering its staff could be individually prosecuted under EU regulations.
The retailer has written to the EU Agriculture Commissioner, Mariann Fischer Boel, and Environment Secretary Hilary Benn expressing its concerns over 'bonkers' regulations and has launched an online poll for customers to join the fight for 'wonky' fruit and veg.
'We're not allowed to use up to 20 per cent of what's produced in this country and in the current crunch climate, we cannot continue to waste this much food before it even leaves the farms.'
Strict EU regulations dictate the shape, size and appearance of 36 fruits and vegetables. For example, it is illegal for supermarkets to sell a cauliflower less than 11cm in diameter, carrots that are forked (with more than one root) or onions with less than two-thirds covered in skin.
The regulations have long caused outrage among farmers, retailers and environmentalists, including the Prince of Wales, whose own 'knobbly' organic carrots have been rejected for sale.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2008/nov/02/sainsbury-supermarkets-eu-regulation-halloween

Clearly 'Brexit uncertainty' was a problem after the 2016 vote but that is the same with any new venture. The uncertainty would have been much less if there had not been so many people trying to overturn the referendum result for three and a half years.

Anecdotally, the uncertainty was not due to those trying to overturn the result, but the extreme lack of clarity about what Brexit was - before the vote, wild claims were made (and largely unchallenged) and it took a long time (and in fact is still happening) for people to realise that the Brexit they ‘made up in their head due to propaganda and lack of clear information’ might not be the Brexit someone else envisaged, and certainly wasn’t available in real world negotiations.

The OBR did not and does not have the resources or the remit to carry out a full Brexit analysis. Their 4% is an assumption (and they use the word assumption in their reports) - based on the average of around a dozen projections from various economists/think tanks and the OBR basically stuck a pin in the middle. Several of those external calculations estimated a minimal effect on the economy or even a positive, others somewhat lower than 4%, some higher.
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The OBR's subsequent reports are aimed at maintaining that 4%, despite for example immigration being much higher than expected when most of the external reports had assumed lower immigration being a negative. The OBR later claimed that immigration was not a factor in their assumption figure when it was in the projections they took their average figure from.

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Clearly 'Brexit uncertainty' was a problem after the 2016 vote but that is the same with any new venture. The uncertainty would have been much less if there had not been so many people trying to overturn the referendum result for three and a half years.

You forgot about allowing bent bananas.

The actual regulation, Commission Regulation (EC) No. 2257/94, sets minimum standards for bananas, stating that they should be free from malformation or "abnormal curvature"
Although this regulation required that bananas as a minimum standard must not have "abnormal curvature" no definition or guidance was given about the degree of curvature that would be regarded as "abnormal". 🤔

And of course "smaller condoms".
n 1994 The Sun reported that the EU was mandating smaller condom sizes, refusing to accommodate for what they believed were ‘larger British assets.’

The EU says the standards The Sun was referring to were voluntary, not mandatory, and did not relate to size. “Any standardisation work in the area of condoms concentrates on quality and not on
length,” the EU says.

Also the British banger under threat.
In 2001 The Sun breathlessly reported on the issue. “The traditional British banger is under threat from Brussels chiefs who want to REDUCE the amount of meat in it. Under strict UK regulations pork bangers must contain at least 65 per cent meat and other varieties 50 per cent. But the EU wants to slash that figure to just 36 per cent,” the story said.

This was a poll of ‘how did you vote?’ (note NOT ‘how do you intend to vote?’) in 2016:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/520954/brexit-votes-by-age/

It’s not particularly marginal - the margin of error both in the ‘highest age group’ and the ‘lowest age group’ would gave to be really significant to reverse the conclusion that as the (a bit Leave) oldest generation dies, the (a lot Remain) youngest generation will be sufficient- along with the Remainers in the young people too young to vote - to reverse the very marginal final outcome.

I don't care. If the only brexit bonus is more powerful vacuums and markings in the Dartford tunnel, that says all I need to know.

Please tell me where these dogs are because my dog would like to talk to them....

@BustingBaoBun "I think that sums up the intelligence of those who are still supporting Brexit"

If you have to insult people to make a point you don't have much of an argument 🙂

I wished he would reverse Brexit
Everyone and their dog knows that Brexit has been a complete disaster .

Absolutely

Jacob Rees Mogg (that twonk) ran a poll in the Sun or Express or whatever Brexiteers read... and asked for the benefits of Brexit. He offered a few banal suggestions.

Top of the poll was....
More powerful vacuum cleaners 😂

Second was...
Inside the Dartford Tunnel the markings can now be in feet and inches and not metres.

I tell you.... I thought to myself, I can sleep well knowing what Brexit has done for me.
(I like my vacuum, and have never been in the Dartford Tunnel in my life and not likely to)

I think that sums up the intelligence of those who are still supporting Brexit.

I don't know.

Are we?

No poll is 100%

Are we trusting the Ashford poll? (Whichever poll it is.)

Although Brexit did surprise a lot of people, this is very true.

And can we trust polls ?

According to the Ashford poll, most voters, seven out of 10, expected a victory for Remain, including the majority (54 per cent) of those who voted Leave. Voters who backed Ukip were the only group (52 per cent) who expected Leave to win.

The demographics of Leave vs Remain voters showed that the oldest voters tended to vote Leave, while younger voters (and those just too young to vote) tended to vote Remain.

As the older generation die, even if nobody else changed their vote, Remain would have a majority amongst voting age adults.

Exactly

So the Remainers are immortal are they ?! 😆

It really does.

I assumed you just wanted an answer re independent economists by the way.

Any chance of those analyses on how much it's going to cost to be 'involved in the EU' from you though?

Only 37% of the population voted so 51% of that. I'd imagine a fair few Brexiteers have died over the past 9 years so the population is keener to rejoin. It has brought absolutely NOTHING positive to the UK.

If the cap fits... 🙂

I was actually talking to @randomchap and am waiting for a response.

Do look at the link I provided containing an interesting mix of independent economic analyses. Feel free to add those you've seen obviously! It would be really great to see the one you cited earlier of course.

"There's not many"

So perhaps you could list them to show that you know what you are talking about?

It is annoying when people make big statements not backed up by facts, isn't it?

@lljkk

"They don't recognise a threat of stock depletion unless the EU might be doing it. They think it;s ok to bin 90% of their catch if it can't be sold in UK, they aren't asking for access to EU ports, they would just bin all those catches that British people don't eat."

It isn't accurate to say that fishermen bin 90% of their catch if it can't be sold. The UK's fishing industry is subject to regulations that generally prohibit discarding catch. The landing obligation, which came into force in 2019, (so please try and keep up with industry standards) means that most fish caught must be landed and counted against quotas