Starmer is about to reverse Brexit

It's a curious obsession, isn't it?
I'm not a qualified psychologist, but my suspicion is that many Brexiteers double-down on their position - despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary - because at some level it's a defiant pushback against being repeatedly and resoundingly proven wrong. In much the same way some children will continue in an untenable assertion even after its been dismantled.

But it's a ridiculous position to take and helps nobody, least of all themselves.
I don't think any reasonable person would continue to blame, or hold contempt for, any Brexiteer that says "I made a mistake", and a great many have.
It's only people who still insist that Brexit was beneficial and that they are absolutely, definitely going to be receiving their free unicorn any day now that draw the ire and irritation of the rest of us.

Let's hope so!!!!!🙏

Nearly 10 years since the brexit vote and no one can actually identify how it’s made things better

labour are unpopular because they can’t make things better NOW and when they want to change things to make it better you are upset ?

grow up

Also, in democracies, we get to change our minds. If this truly was democratic then we'd have another vote now - 5 years plus later. The people can now see what a shitshow it has been and would vote remain.

If only!

I really don’t understand the ‘Brexit betrayal!’ people. We are far poorer now than before Brexit. There are now more illegal immigrants coming over on boats because of Brexit.

What do these people want, and why are we continuing to pay them attention?

Hold a referendum?

He couldn't hold a knife & fork the right way up.

It's quite amusing the see all the Remoaners Remainers frothing at the mouth because 5 years on they still can't accept they lost.

This is from the Spectator, (rest behind a paywall) and sums it up nicely

"But the one I’m most pleased with, though the least used, is Le Grand Bouder, or – to translate it into a lovelier and more popular language – The Big Sulk.
Referring to the inability of some Remainers to get over the fact that they lost the referendum fair and square, this condition often leads to Brexit Derangement Syndrome. I’ve seen this mental affliction transport its followers into a realm of magical thinking only reached otherwise by the most extreme of the trans-brigade. For instance, cult members will often identify as younger than they are; think of the then 68-year-old Ian McEwan relishing the idea of ‘oldsters, Brexiters, freshly in their graves’. During a social media spat, a Remainer told me to move over and make way for the youth, of which he was one – he’s three years older than me!
One can only imagine what these poor befuddled souls are going through now, with the right (which these days pretty much refers to anyone who doesn’t believe in literally limitless immigration) on the up throughout mainland Europe. In extreme cases, Brits suffering from the terminal stage of BDS even left these sceptered isles in order to seek ‘refuge’ in France and Germany from the alleged crypto-fascism of Brexit Britain."

For anyone curious about my last comment, the 'academic' source that @brexitbarbie was limply attempting to overturn our arguments with in the their first link was the IEA (Institute of Economic Affairs).

They have quite the extensive rap-sheet but, in the spirit of brevity, they are a Thatcherite right-wing think-tank who, in addition to being pro-Brexit, infamously published a large amount of 'articles' in support of climate change denial, took large donations from tobacco companies and then lobbied on behalf of those companies, and push for the abolition of the NHS in favour of a privatised US-style model of health care.

They are an utterly deplorable, morally bankrupt, organisation who, in the opinion of many, should have been shut down years ago.

You genuinely believe that an 'article' by the IEA has merit?

My guess would be that you don't know the identity, background, or political ideology of the IEA, but in your futile impotence to show Brexit was anything other than the shambolic disaster it was always going to be, are willing to parrot any source you feel will help you die on the hill you've chosen.

Ironic, given the subject matter.

So, a minimum of 6% drop in trade with Europe, or a maximum of 30% depending on which bias you choose to prefer. It's most likely to be somewhere in the middle of the two figures.

Even if the lower (6%) is to be believed, that's a significant drop in trade and therefore, tax revenue.

Good, one thing he will hopefully achieve - a lot of the people who voted for leave will have died by now, and lessons learnt as to hold a proper referendum

From the BBC -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdrynjz1glpo

an older article but still valid:

iea.org.uk/are-brexit-voters-really-less-intelligent-than-remainers/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/05/labour-remainers-brexit-uk-eu-leavers

They just won't give up

And noted.

Westminster never learns.

Wen a poster is reduced to getting Chat GBT to make their argument for them, you know it's a load of shite.😆

Ahh yes, The Sun; that famed bastion of verifiable fact. Much like the Daily Fail. They did come in frightfully handy during the pandemic, though, when toilet paper was at a premium.

Absolutely. And, correct my memory if I'm wrong, but do I recall some rather shameful attempts by the Tories to keep the youngest voters out of the referendum as they were well aware the young, by and large, wouldn't have voted to leave?

I'm at work so can't check that right now.

Yes, age was not the only factor BUT it is the one that will have changed in the intervening years (older voters dying / younger people becoming able to vote) such a way as to change the overall result.

The demographics show a split between more than just age. There was a notable - that's notable, not total - Leave/Remain divide between economic status and the level of education.

Broadly speaking, the bulk of Leave voters fell into one or more of the categories of older voters, lower economic status, and lower academic qualifications.
The reverse being broadly true for Remainers.

The Sun???? Lol

Thank you - excluding the outliers (at both ends) doesn't surprise me at all.

excluding one each at either end of the scale

to calculate their average

I haven't got time to look for the report now. I think it may have been only one projection that showed a positive and I have a vague recollection of the OBR not including all the projections (excluding one each at either end of the scale?)

Do you have analyses that set out the economic benefits of Brexit or clear forecasting of how it will cost the UK to 'get involved with the EU'?

Unfortunately not.

Thank you for engaging with an actual response on this. Which studies projected an increase in productivity out of interest? The set of forecasting assumptions cited by the OBR in setting their -4% figure all show a decrease.

Do you have analyses that set out the economic benefits of Brexit or clear forecasting of how it will cost the UK to 'get involved with the EU'? Just because if posters are claiming this, I'd be genuinely interested to see what assumptions or data it's based on.