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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

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Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 08:40

I think something is coming through loud and clear on this thread. Emigration is right up there with step parents on the list of things MN hates !!

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:39

PurpleThistle7 · 19/05/2025 08:38

I am not judging your decision to immigrate. But it was a decision and you chose your priorities. You weren’t forced into it, you weren’t kidnapped - you prioritised certain things in your life which means other things are less important. You can’t prioritise everything!

my husband and I immigrated together to have a better life. That was our decision and we have to live with what that means for everyone else. In this scenario, your brother is saying very clearly what he is willing to do. That doesn’t mean you have to do it of course. But I don’t see any reason he should have to accommodate you either.

Did you miss the part where my brother also moved abroad 😆

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MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:39

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:38

They are traveling, from Aus to the UK. And then further around the UK. Thats a lot of travel. They are young and will be jet lagged.

So don't go, then.

Communitywebbing · 19/05/2025 08:39

Maybe he doesn’t understand how tired you and your children will be. Try to explain
that it’s not that you expect him to do all the work, just that you want him to see the kids at their best and the youngest is too young to behave nicely when exhausted in a strange foreign city.

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:38

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:38

Because they are meall
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Aren't we all? 😅

PurpleThistle7 · 19/05/2025 08:38

I am not judging your decision to immigrate. But it was a decision and you chose your priorities. You weren’t forced into it, you weren’t kidnapped - you prioritised certain things in your life which means other things are less important. You can’t prioritise everything!

my husband and I immigrated together to have a better life. That was our decision and we have to live with what that means for everyone else. In this scenario, your brother is saying very clearly what he is willing to do. That doesn’t mean you have to do it of course. But I don’t see any reason he should have to accommodate you either.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:38

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:36

Equally though, why SHOULDN'T they travel?

They are traveling, from Aus to the UK. And then further around the UK. Thats a lot of travel. They are young and will be jet lagged.

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Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 08:38

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 07:59

But if you want to come home why don’t you plan to move back? I don’t understand why this is difficult for you if you miss your family daily. It just sounds like a poor me victim complex. If you want to move back, move back, you have free will.

Because it’s just that simple, right ? What if her DH doesn’t want to ? Should she just end her marriage and move back without her children ?

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:38

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:36

Equally though, why SHOULDN'T they travel?

Because they are meall
je

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:37

Replied to myself by accident but anyone saying if I loved my grandparents I’d go back sooner…wow aren’t you pleasant? I am having another major surgery and cannot travel. And yes this surgery is very much needed. Luckily my grandparents understand and are tech savvy enough I can call them each day. I hope anyone being nasty about emigration doesn’t have children that one day move abroad. Sounds like you’d be done with them

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Peaceandquietandacuppa · 19/05/2025 08:37

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:29

This may be what we have to do. I think I’m going to have to voice that I don’t understand why they can come back to the UK and travel to see family but can’t this one time we will be there? It is hurtful.

Can you suggest he changes one of the existing trips, so it’s not an ‘extra’ one as such? It does seem strange to me that he couldn’t do this.

Happywishful · 19/05/2025 08:37

You don’t want to make an effort and neither does him. Sad but it looks like you are not very close, not too bother about seeing each other, have fallen apart; not much you can do.

I will make an effort, life is short, you don’t want to have regrets.

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:36

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:07

My children are already traveling a really long way. Why should they travel even further instead of an adult coming to them when they already do that journey multiple times a year. My brother also lives abroad so we have both emigrated.

Equally though, why SHOULDN'T they travel?

Butterbly · 19/05/2025 08:36

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:35

Excuse you? Refusing to drive to see anyone? Where did you get that? We will be driving. Hence the hire car. In fact we will be driving to see my brother at Heathrow airport! 😆

Now you're going to Heathrow

A few posts ago you were telling people that it was dreadfully unreasonable and hurtful and lacking empathy and all other emotional words that people should expect you go there any earlier than your flight

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:36

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:35

Excuse you? Refusing to drive to see anyone? Where did you get that? We will be driving. Hence the hire car. In fact we will be driving to see my brother at Heathrow airport! 😆

I’m having surgery. It’s been said multiple times. You’re deliberately being obtuse now. Please stop using my grandparents declining health as a barb with which to be spiteful.

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:35

Butterbly · 19/05/2025 08:28

Exactly he's the one making the effort to come over to the airport and drive six ish hours several times a year to see family

Op hasn't done it in donkeys, yet on her one visit is refusing to do the driving to see anyone, and asking him to do it yet again.

He's offered to fly in, she's then demanding her drives to her adding at least 6 hours on

He's offered to meet at the airport shes already going to if she simply leaves about 2 hours early.

She's declined because she wants to spend every hour with her grandparents implying that he's taking her away from her dying grandparents, who she's waiting a year to see anyway, and who she'd be leaving in an hour or two anyway

He's offered a lot. She's offered that he do all the work, because he usually does all the work so she finds it hurtful he isn't doing all the effort instead of her changing her plans by 2 hours

Edited

Excuse you? Refusing to drive to see anyone? Where did you get that? We will be driving. Hence the hire car. In fact we will be driving to see my brother at Heathrow airport! 😆

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YourWildAmberSloth · 19/05/2025 08:34

Not the point of the thread, but I would rather do one leg of the trip alone with two children, than try to squeeze it into 10 days.

minnienono · 19/05/2025 08:34

I would consider going back the day before, booking a hotel near airport (ibis bath road is reasonable) then going into London for the evening, kids are perfect age for a trip to see the sights maybe a river boat trip

TheInternetNeverForgets · 19/05/2025 08:34

Honestly. I moved two hours from my family to accommodate my husband and that is bad/hard enough!!

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:33

RunningBlueFox · 19/05/2025 08:31

I lived in NZ for a long time and have done a few meet ups with family members at various airports (which were lovely). The bigger problem here OP is that you are British and your DH is an Aussie and i think this situation may have just made you realise what this is going to mean in terms of compromise on where you live going forward. You also need to realise your kids will be Australian and not have the same draw to the UK you do DH and I are both British but we have lots of friends in your situation and it is really difficult as one is always giving up more than the other.

Yes and I will always want to be where my children are. And I don’t feel it’s fair to remove my children from their father when he is a really good Dad and a fantastic husband. I miss my family but they would be devastated if I just moved them back to the Uk. My husband has even asked me before if I want to when I’ve been very homesick, but I know my children need their Dad more than I need my parents as I am a grown adult now.

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TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 08:32

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 08:23

OP’s brother does that trip two or three times a year anyway, so why should she accommodate him alone when the rest of the family have sorted out the most convenient way for everyone to spend time together. And OP has a two year old as well as a six year old - not much fun on public transport. I don’t think she’s the one being unreasonable here. Sounds to me as if something else is at play here.

Yes she’s pointed out several times that she has children.

Her DB makes good arrangements to visit his parents and GPs, as OP has said.

He is willing to do a meet up with his DS.

He doesn’t have to conform to her 10 day window and group meet.

Nor, does she have to confirm to his schedule.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:31

midlifeattheoasis · 19/05/2025 08:31

Just stick to your plan OP. It sounds like because he's not made the plans, he doesn't like it. Does he normally like things his own way, I wonder?

Yep 😆😆

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RunningBlueFox · 19/05/2025 08:31

I lived in NZ for a long time and have done a few meet ups with family members at various airports (which were lovely). The bigger problem here OP is that you are British and your DH is an Aussie and i think this situation may have just made you realise what this is going to mean in terms of compromise on where you live going forward. You also need to realise your kids will be Australian and not have the same draw to the UK you do DH and I are both British but we have lots of friends in your situation and it is really difficult as one is always giving up more than the other.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:31

IwasDueANameChange · 19/05/2025 08:23

That feeling of being torn op, between your new life in Australia, and your family back in UK, this is the biggest most difficult part of emigrating.

DSil also has the thing of wishing we could all move there and says this a lot, its rather insensitive of her - she implies life is (by default) better there, but we are all happy in the UK. I think she genuinely doesnt understand why we don't all want to do 2 or 3 week holidays to visit her every year and just can't see that we have other things we use that time for, that we love, that we don't want to give up to accomodate that she moved to the other side of the world.

I am not trying to be unkind but you have to on a level recognise there's a fundamental selfishness in the decision to emigrate. You make the decision based on what's best for you, not your wider family. While I read what you have put about your DH contract etc, the reality is you have made a choice between moving and staying nearer extended family. You have to realise that it hurts all the people you leave and does damage your bond with them. Their lives go on back here without you. I'm not saying it wasn't the best choice for you& DC etc overall but it is a choice that has consequences.

Those of us with emigrated family all recognise the struggles you post about with your DB. Fact is people stop wanting to disrupt their normal routines and preferences to accomodate a visitor they haven't seen in years. Its sad but its reality.

No I made a choice to stay married and have my children have their father or to get divorced and be a single mother. My parents both still work full time. My husband is a good and active, involved father and I love him very much. So it wasn’t much of a choice. It’s hard to explain unless you’ve been faced with it but I think most people would go with their spouse.

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midlifeattheoasis · 19/05/2025 08:31

Just stick to your plan OP. It sounds like because he's not made the plans, he doesn't like it. Does he normally like things his own way, I wonder?

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