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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

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RB68 · 19/05/2025 08:51

Sometimes in a short time span even with 12 mths notice you cant do everything. I don't think you are being clear with your brother about your own limitations re injury/surgery and maybe that needs to be made clear. I think you need to make this trip about Grandad and not much else to be honest. I would just say to your brother that if he wants to come out to you guys where you are staying thats fine, if not then you will see him another time. I have to say you sound all about "you" in your arrangements and as others have said it doesn't always fit with others requirements no matter how much notice you give

soupyspoon · 19/05/2025 08:50

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:44

Yes and we are also travelling. Magically we are both going on aeroplanes. Read the thread or find something better to do with your time I guess

I think the point the poster was making was in response to you saying about your brother 'why cant he travel'

And the answer is, he is travelling, he is travelling to see you.

So why did you write about your brother as if he is not travelling.

I think other posters have identified that you spend reams of paragraphs writing about your issues but dismiss the effect on him/others in the family of the trip/journey and that is the actual problem.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:47

tiramisunow · 19/05/2025 08:43

I frequently travel from the same APAC region to the UK, about 14 hrs journey. I understand why OP's pissed off – I would be too.

But I think what's striking me about her post is the determination to not even consider that her brother may have his own consideration and issues going on – she keeps writing how perfect and happy their life is. Even living in the same country (which she isn't) how can you be so sure you know the ins and outs of your grown siblings' family lives?! It doesn't have to be anything big or tragic but at least stop to wonder about their possible perspective(s), even for just a few minutes, before dismissing it airily like she does.

In contrast she writes literal paragraphs about how hard her life is. A poster mentioning the other perspective is "attacking" her husband. Again I'm not just piling on but pointing out a possible issue here. I think the issue is likely both sides' attitudes.

I’m meeting my brother at Heathrow. And his life is fine, we have checked! But sure make up a reason. He just doesn’t want to go stay with everyone

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S0j0urn4r · 19/05/2025 08:47

"Sorry you can't make it to the cottage, Bro. See you next time."

Enthusiasticcarrotgrower · 19/05/2025 08:47

He’s said what he’s prepared to do, so you need to work with that. You can feel disappointed, but you can’t control him or force him to change his mind. He’s offering to meet at Heathrow so meet him at Heathrow for a coffee. It is what it is.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:46

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:44

You're the one who is SHOUTING AT PEOPLE

Shouting through the post? You are one of the posters who is deliberately obtuse and it’s boring. Read the thread, it’s resolved,

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Butterbly · 19/05/2025 08:45

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:43

You are honestly exhausting. Read the thread and maybe learn how to be a pleasant human?

I'm not sure if you are mixing me up with someone else

I literally never said if you loved your grandparents more, you'd be here? I wouldn't (i live in a different county to my grandparents!)

I have read the thread. I was commenting that you are now driving to Heathrow, but before hand you were saying that you didn't wish to drive any earlier in response to someone commenting about driving. That's literally what played out in this thread?

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:45

soupyspoon · 19/05/2025 08:44

You're going to Heathrow for your flight home though, so its not a different trip.

Also public transport and cabs do exist.

And also driving in the UK! And it’s still travel. But that travel doesn’t count for some reason but my brothers flight does? Make it make sense. It’s basically resolved. Why cant people read the thread

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:44

Butterbly · 19/05/2025 08:42

He is travelling. He is flying to see you

Yes and we are also travelling. Magically we are both going on aeroplanes. Read the thread or find something better to do with your time I guess

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soupyspoon · 19/05/2025 08:44

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:35

Excuse you? Refusing to drive to see anyone? Where did you get that? We will be driving. Hence the hire car. In fact we will be driving to see my brother at Heathrow airport! 😆

You're going to Heathrow for your flight home though, so its not a different trip.

Also public transport and cabs do exist.

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:44

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:43

You are honestly exhausting. Read the thread and maybe learn how to be a pleasant human?

You're the one who is SHOUTING AT PEOPLE

tiramisunow · 19/05/2025 08:43

Diarygirlqueen · 19/05/2025 07:38

I think most of these responses are ridiculous.
You have given your brother a year in advance notice that you're coming, a place he travels to twice yearly.
Its obvious from some of these replies that they've never travelled from Australia especially with young children! The jetlag is horrendous.
Your brother should be making more of an effort. I would be really hurt.
Personally, I would just say that's fine he can't meet up and hope to see you the next time we visit. Spend time with your parents and grandparents and don't let this derail your visit. Facetime him etc when you get there.
Trying to accommodate meeting him will spoil your trip and don't underestimate how exhausted you will be!

I frequently travel from the same APAC region to the UK, about 14 hrs journey. I understand why OP's pissed off – I would be too.

But I think what's striking me about her post is the determination to not even consider that her brother may have his own consideration and issues going on – she keeps writing how perfect and happy their life is. Even living in the same country (which she isn't) how can you be so sure you know the ins and outs of your grown siblings' family lives?! It doesn't have to be anything big or tragic but at least stop to wonder about their possible perspective(s), even for just a few minutes, before dismissing it airily like she does.

In contrast she writes literal paragraphs about how hard her life is. A poster mentioning the other perspective is "attacking" her husband. Again I'm not just piling on but pointing out a possible issue here. I think the issue is likely both sides' attitudes.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:43

Butterbly · 19/05/2025 08:36

Now you're going to Heathrow

A few posts ago you were telling people that it was dreadfully unreasonable and hurtful and lacking empathy and all other emotional words that people should expect you go there any earlier than your flight

You are honestly exhausting. Read the thread and maybe learn how to be a pleasant human?

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MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:43

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:41

Precisely so why can’t my brother also travel? Also if you read the thread it’s basically resolved

I'm so glad 😊

Butterbly · 19/05/2025 08:42

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:41

Precisely so why can’t my brother also travel? Also if you read the thread it’s basically resolved

He is travelling. He is flying to see you

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:42

ArtfulTaupeGoose · 19/05/2025 08:41

So your brother is flying back to the UK to see you, and you're still unhappy!!

I really dont get the drama!! Hes offered to meet you (at a place you need to be at anyway). He's flying over at his cost and giving up his time.

My brother lives in Portugal, so I understand the coordination needed to meet, but you sound quite entitled.

Just because he doesn't have children doesn't mean he doesn't have commitments.

Meet him at Heathrow, it'll be easier anyway if your flight is 11.30 the next day, as you'd have to leave the holiday let so early

READ THE THREAD

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Butterbly · 19/05/2025 08:42

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:37

Replied to myself by accident but anyone saying if I loved my grandparents I’d go back sooner…wow aren’t you pleasant? I am having another major surgery and cannot travel. And yes this surgery is very much needed. Luckily my grandparents understand and are tech savvy enough I can call them each day. I hope anyone being nasty about emigration doesn’t have children that one day move abroad. Sounds like you’d be done with them

You replied to me initially so if it was aimed at me

That absolutely wasn't i said.

Noshadelamp · 19/05/2025 08:41

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:07

I can’t help it if my children won’t have the same bond. We had to move back as yes my husband is Australian and his contract came to an end and so he was recalled if you like. I had a 1 year old at the time and so my only option seemed to be to go with him. My husband won’t move back right now and I’ve just finished the immigration process to be here. My children are happily and settled even if they do miss their cousins and grandparents. I won’t take my children away from their Dad and starting over in the UK as a single mother feels too much and I do like my husband and our life here. In a dream world I’d move my family here but of course that isn’t realistic. I feel completely torn between the two. But you’re right it is fairly lonely.

I feel for you op. I wamnthe opposite to you, I've lived in the UK most of my adult life now because my DH is British. The plan had been to stay here for his work contract but once that ended he refused to move countries. All my children are British so I didn't have a choice, unless leaving without them is a choice.

Having no family where you live and still pining for them makes settling where you are very difficult. I wrestled.wirh it for years until I realised my life would be easier if I let go of my home country and leant into where I was now.

It's hard to live in two places at once, you end up not really living in either.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:41

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:40

So as a family of migrants you should all be seasoned travellers?

Precisely so why can’t my brother also travel? Also if you read the thread it’s basically resolved

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Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 08:41

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:39

So don't go, then.

That’s really helpful 🙄

ArtfulTaupeGoose · 19/05/2025 08:41

So your brother is flying back to the UK to see you, and you're still unhappy!!

I really dont get the drama!! Hes offered to meet you (at a place you need to be at anyway). He's flying over at his cost and giving up his time.

My brother lives in Portugal, so I understand the coordination needed to meet, but you sound quite entitled.

Just because he doesn't have children doesn't mean he doesn't have commitments.

Meet him at Heathrow, it'll be easier anyway if your flight is 11.30 the next day, as you'd have to leave the holiday let so early

IwasDueANameChange · 19/05/2025 08:40

No I made a choice to stay married and have my children have their father or to get divorced and be a single mother. My parents both still work full time. My husband is a good and active, involved father and I love him very much. So it wasn’t much of a choice. It’s hard to explain unless you’ve been faced with it but I think most people would go with their spouse.

Did you talk and plan where you would live long term before starting a family? Note that your DH didn't make the choice you did, to leave his home country to live where his wife and children were.

I do agree with you it isn't much of a choice but some people would make different ones. I just don't think a relationship would have survived between me & someone who expected me to move to another country - its a deal breaker for me.

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:40

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:39

Did you miss the part where my brother also moved abroad 😆

So as a family of migrants you should all be seasoned travellers?

Butterbly · 19/05/2025 08:40

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:36

Equally though, why SHOULDN'T they travel?

I really don't understand this point of view of they always do it, so they should continue to do it

Surely if they are the ones always doing it, then it's someone else's turn for a change?

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:40

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:39

So don't go, then.

So don’t comment then if you can’t be bothered to read the thread.

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