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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

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1stjjohnnymac · 19/05/2025 10:08

I'm bewildered and disappointed by the 22% (at present) 😥
It says a lot about our society 😥

Reliablesource · 19/05/2025 10:04

OP, you say it is a 4 hour drive to your hometown from Heathrow. But how long is the train journey to Central London? Or could you park on the outskirts of London somewhere and get the tube in?

If you’re staying in a holiday home with extended family for 10 days, it’s very likely that you will all get cabin fever and a break half-way through to go into London might be a welcome one! Depending on where you’d be arriving into, there are various parks you could meet at for a few hours, lunch and ice creams. Or somewhere like London Zoo, which your children would surely enjoy?

Personally, I wouldn’t want to schedule a meeting with anyone at Heathrow. It’s extremely busy and noisy and hardly conducive to a quiet family catch-up.

SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 10:03

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 09:17

What does "piling on" even mean? Disagreeing with OP?

There's disagreeing and then there's being deliberately obtuse when OP's already answered the same point dozens of times. It's like playground bullying – let's keep picking away until they crack. That's what a pile on is.

Swiftie1878 · 19/05/2025 09:57

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:15

We won’t be at Heathrow until the day we are flying back out again. It’s been years since I’ve been at Heathrow but it’s always been really busy and is there anywhere to eat before you go through security? I’ve never really spent time in Heathrow other than checking in and going right to security. I thought the restaurants etc were all past security?
They travel all over to see his wife’s family each time they fly back and to see my family too so I don’t understand why seeing us is different, I’m hoping my brother may tell me what’s really going on.

Yes there are lots of restaurants at Heathrow. This is your solution. Just meet before you fly home for breakfast, lunch or dinner - whatever fits.
You can check in your bags, then before you go through security etc just meet for a meal. There’s a Wagamama there which I’m sure the kids will enjoy, and it’s better than airline food! x

JHound · 19/05/2025 09:54

You just may have to accept missing each other. I lived overseas and when I visited the UK would try and merge visits into convenient locations.

Kipperandarthur · 19/05/2025 09:53

It's obvious that you are upset and disappointed with your brother's offer of meeting up at Heathrow instead of coming to the holiday let and I can understand that.

However, would it not just be easier to actually pick the phone up and talk to your brother in person rather than via text?

But he has said he just doesn't want to spend time all as a family in the holiday let and sadly if that is the case you have to accept his decision.

The other thing that strikes me is this is planning way in advance which you need to do yes, but maybe nearer the time brother may change his mind and plans could possibly change whereby he decides to come to holiday let after all.
It may be prudent to try and loosen up a bit and go with the flow and see what transpires nearer the time.

AndorTheRelentless · 19/05/2025 09:52

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:07

Thank you! And our plan was to check out of the holiday let and then drive up to Heathrow, drop off hire car etc and get to the hotel around 7pm which is then dinner and bed for my children. The hotel isn’t at Heathrow but close by. So would mean meeting for a late dinner with all our bags and things if we did it the night before. The morning of won’t work as it would be too early and my brother is trying to fly in and back out again.

Can you meet where the hotel is?
maybe leave a little earlier?

chunkyblighter · 19/05/2025 09:49

I don't know...it feels like there's something he's not telling you and as it's a year away lots of time for things to change. I would have thought Oxford was a fair compromise: there's things to do there, it's easy to get to from London on the bus etc. As for driving in the UK it's the same side of the road as Oz but I presume your DB has got used to driving on the right if he lives in Europe.

Another idea is one night's hotel or Air BnB in the SE before you travel, somewhere nicer than Heathrow. You can still be within easy travelling distance of LHR for your morning flight but a more suitable place for a meet up. However, if he's not prepared to stay one night and wants to fly in & out in one day it's making logistics tricky. He could flex a little given the circumstances!

SpinandSing · 19/05/2025 09:49

You're trying to compromise too much and will end up regretting it. This is on him - he's trying to make you fit with what he wants to do. You've done enough in being clear on your plans, well in advance, and renting holiday accommodation with room for all. I think you just need to say 'This is what we're doing' and then 'That's such a shame we won't see you' if he won't join in with your plans. Honestly, running around Heathrow and hotels when you've got a massive flight ahead of you, and young children, you'll really regret it. Look how stressed you are about it already...and it's in a year's time. Don't let this ruin your carefully and thoughtfully laid plans.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 19/05/2025 09:45

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:52

Thank you this is helpful! We will have to cut a day off our paid for holiday let and time to see other friends/family and pay for a Heathrow hotel as our flight leaving London is 11.30 in the morning so I’m going to let him know all that and see if he changes his mind or not. If not then it’s helpful to know the options thank you!

I may have misunderstood, but given that you say you will be staying rurally, 3 to 4 hours away from London, and that your flight departs at 11.30am, you will surely be hard pushed to make it to Heathrow by 8.30am (because security) anyway and it would be much better for all of your family for you to travel to Heathrow the day before and meet your brother at a Heathrow hotel the evening before your flight?

Butterbly · 19/05/2025 09:45

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 09:34

She posted for advice. Someone suggested something that made her think about it from a different angle and she changed her mind. Isn’t that the definition of taking the advice offered ?

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Absolutely. I was replying when she was like "obviously I'm driving" when literally a handful of posts before she wasn't happy withthat plan. Its a fast moving thread (at that point), the conversation and posts i was replying to wasnt immediately caught up.

BernardButlersBra · 19/05/2025 09:43

I was going to say l need more information: was the date discussed with your family including your brother or did you just say you were visiting from x date to y date? How many times has he gone to Australia to visit you? But I see you have clarified those points.

So far l can see it from both sides. You are doing a lot of travelling in a relatively short space of time. He has been given a years notice which is a fair amount surely? I haven’t lived near my family and friends for a long time so l now say l will be at place x from a time to b time and it would be great to see you! I got sick of tweaking my plans for other people’s minor reasons for not wanting to travel 1.5 miles from their house! He might be sick of travelling to your home town yet again but he hasn’t gone to see you in Australia either (for clarity l wouldn’t expect a visit every year or even every other year but even in 4 years with your operation and having a baby he hasn’t )

Circular00Route · 19/05/2025 09:40

Why cannot you & your brother meet up alone for a half day ?

Leave the children with your other family members for a few hours

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Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 09:38

tiramisunow · 19/05/2025 09:34

I've read all the posts thoroughly and that's my genuine takeaway tbh. All I see is OP repeatedly insisting they're fine, perfect, happy, easy lives, easy work arrangements, etc. Zero curiosity and the immediate jump to just lazy and selfish. Again if that is the reason, fair enough, and as I said it doesn't have to be a big tragic reason at all, it could be a small stupid reason... But as someone who has to deal with a lot of family meetups across the globe, I cannot identify with such a self-obsessed line of thinking.

OP booked and paid for a holiday let to which her brother and his wife were invited. With a years’ notice. Now brother is expecting her to change her plans because he doesn’t want to drive to the holiday let - basically just wants to fly in, see OP and fly out again.

brunettemic · 19/05/2025 09:36

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:07

My children are already traveling a really long way. Why should they travel even further instead of an adult coming to them when they already do that journey multiple times a year. My brother also lives abroad so we have both emigrated.

You decided to move abroad, that doesn’t mean everyone else has to fit around you.

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 09:34

Butterbly · 19/05/2025 08:36

Now you're going to Heathrow

A few posts ago you were telling people that it was dreadfully unreasonable and hurtful and lacking empathy and all other emotional words that people should expect you go there any earlier than your flight

She posted for advice. Someone suggested something that made her think about it from a different angle and she changed her mind. Isn’t that the definition of taking the advice offered ?

tiramisunow · 19/05/2025 09:34

GanninHyem · 19/05/2025 09:29

But what I don't get is the lack of willingness to even CONSIDER or find out her brother's/his wife's perspective.

If people come concentrated on reading the OPs posts you would see she has already done this. If you're too busy wringing your hands, projecting your own emotions and coming up with creative ways to be a passive little spaff to OP then you might have missed it.

I've read all the posts thoroughly and that's my genuine takeaway tbh. All I see is OP repeatedly insisting they're fine, perfect, happy, easy lives, easy work arrangements, etc. Zero curiosity and the immediate jump to just lazy and selfish. Again if that is the reason, fair enough, and as I said it doesn't have to be a big tragic reason at all, it could be a small stupid reason... But as someone who has to deal with a lot of family meetups across the globe, I cannot identify with such a self-obsessed line of thinking.

Spacehop · 19/05/2025 09:30

GrandmasCat · 19/05/2025 09:04

I have been in the position your brother is and resented being forced to meet the family hours and hours away from where I was also catching up with friends and former colleagues.

The trip to my country was longhaul and expensive also, and relatively short considering I work, have to adhere to my meagre annual leave and when 2-3 days of the holiday were devoted already to traveling there. Having my family asking to meet at the sticks took, at least, another 3 days off the trip, which left just 2 to 3 days to catch up with close friends who were far closer to me than most members of my family.

I so resented this I no longer travel when they decide to have a family get together far from where I can see other people.

You made a plan that suits keeping your young children comfortable, he has different plans to make his longhaul trip worth it. You don’t need to go to London if you don’t want to, he doesn’t need to be stuck at an Airbnb hours away because you want to either.

Why are you writing this when virtually none of your situation aligns with the OP's brother except to get your own resentments off your chest and pile on. The Db is not flying long haul, the OP and her family are. The brother wouldn't be using days of precious holiday, he could've come at the weekend and not used any leave. Of course it's different traveling with little ones - they need longer sleep in a more rigid time period for a start.

OP I think your DB just likes to please himself and like many men will put himself out for his wife but not for others. If I were him of course I'd see you and your kids but some people just can't empathise as your thread demonstrates! For your own sanity focus on the joy of seeing your loved ones and try and ignore how inflexible your DB is being. I hope the surgery goes well.

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 09:30

Namechangefordaughterevasion · 19/05/2025 09:13

Neither you or your brother are prepared to compromise to make this happen.

Are you actually that bothered about meeting up or are you just making the right noises to seem like the good guy?

Sometimes adult siblings don't have a close relationship. It's sad when that happens but forcing meet ups that don't suit anyone won't improve the bond.

OP arranged and paid for a holiday let, and offered him and his wife a room for free. And gave them a years’ notice. That doesn’t sound as though OP is the one not wanting to meet up. It’s her brother who is now demanding OP accommodate him.

RenoDakota · 19/05/2025 09:30

UnderandOverwhelmed · 19/05/2025 09:26

Could his wife be pregnant OP? Too early to tell anyone but the baby would be young enough when you visit for him not to want to leave his wife overnight?

You haven't read the thread, have you?

GanninHyem · 19/05/2025 09:29

tiramisunow · 19/05/2025 09:24

I live 14 hrs away from my family. I also understand her brother messed up the plans and I'd be dead annoyed here.

But what I don't get is the lack of willingness to even CONSIDER or find out her brother's/his wife's perspective. Particularly as someone who lives so far from my family and wouldn't know 100% of what's going on in their life, I find it odd that she keeps insisting they have perfect and easy lives, and then it's repeated reams and reams of text about her life. We've heard about her kids and surgery so many times that the self-centred vibes can't help being present. And anyone who offers a nice civil perspective is "attacking" her husband.

As I said, it doesn't have to be anything big or tragic on her brother's end. It could be a stupid, simple reason. But she doesn't seem interested in finding out the reason at all. She seems to like it when PPs say it's just laziness and selfishness so if that IS the reason, ok fair enough, I'd be pissed off too. But again the certainty that she can mind-read her brother and his wife perfectly is very weird to me.

Also, she seems genuinely unable to grasp that she should not be top priority just because she has children. Just as I feel I deserve to be top priority because of my kids' needs, my childfree friends/siblings feel they have a right to certain things since they made the deliberate choice NOT to have kids... Some things are just not possible with children but reasonable compromises are still possible.

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But what I don't get is the lack of willingness to even CONSIDER or find out her brother's/his wife's perspective.

If people come concentrated on reading the OPs posts you would see she has already done this. If you're too busy wringing your hands, projecting your own emotions and coming up with creative ways to be a passive little spaff to OP then you might have missed it.

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 09:27

GrandmasCat · 19/05/2025 09:04

I have been in the position your brother is and resented being forced to meet the family hours and hours away from where I was also catching up with friends and former colleagues.

The trip to my country was longhaul and expensive also, and relatively short considering I work, have to adhere to my meagre annual leave and when 2-3 days of the holiday were devoted already to traveling there. Having my family asking to meet at the sticks took, at least, another 3 days off the trip, which left just 2 to 3 days to catch up with close friends who were far closer to me than most members of my family.

I so resented this I no longer travel when they decide to have a family get together far from where I can see other people.

You made a plan that suits keeping your young children comfortable, he has different plans to make his longhaul trip worth it. You don’t need to go to London if you don’t want to, he doesn’t need to be stuck at an Airbnb hours away because you want to either.

OP’s brother isn’t the one making the long haul flight - it’s two hours. OP is travelling from Australia.

UnderandOverwhelmed · 19/05/2025 09:26

Could his wife be pregnant OP? Too early to tell anyone but the baby would be young enough when you visit for him not to want to leave his wife overnight?

Bearhunt468 · 19/05/2025 09:26

Say goodbye to your grandparents early in the morning, drive to hobbledown heath near Heathrow that your kids than therefore have a really good play before a long flight ask your brother to meet you there between his flights. Kids get a nice day out, its not travelling to central London and your only changing your plans by a few hours to see him.

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