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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

OP posts:
Isabella777 · 19/05/2025 11:15

OP I haven’t read the whole thread but I get it. We are expats from the US with 2 kids and planning a trip back this summer has been painful. Our families don’t live near each other or in central places and I’m tired just looking at our itinerary. We are doing almost entirely what everyone is asking of us but need DH’s sister to be a little flexible and come to their parents and it’s too much of an ask apparently.

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:55

burnda · 19/05/2025 10:51

I hate the idea of staying in a big group in a holiday cottage, especially where other peoples kids will be! And I have kids! Maybe that’s it? I think generally speaking people see those who’ve emigrated as making their own beds and just suffer the consequences. I disagree, but then I’ve had similar issues with family and we only moved 4 hours away from our hometown in the UK. We’re the bad guys who were bold enough to leave our hometown though, so must be punished for it! 🤣

Agree - lots of posters ‘blaming’ OP for emigrating and twisting things to suggest that she’s expecting people to dance to her tune, after she’s gone out of her way to check convenient dates and organise things. But DB had a years’ notice so if he didn’t want to stay in the holiday let why hasn’t he said so before now. I get the impression that he just wants to fly in, see OP and fly straight out again.

Digdongdoo · 19/05/2025 10:53

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:45

But she did agree a date with him - a year ago. If he didn’t want to stay with family in the holiday let, he’s had a year to say that and make alternative arrangements. He’s the one now changing his plans for his convenience and expecting OP to fall in with them.

The trip isn't until next year. Stuff happens, things change. This is the reality of trying to plan things so far in advance, so inflexibly with so many people. We're talking about at least 4 households, living in 3 different countries - it's hardly surprising they're struggling to all get together in one relatively short window.

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 10:52

Nursemumma92 · 19/05/2025 10:48

OP is aware of that but she has posted in her updates that she has another major surgery upcoming, so next year is when she will be fit enough to make the journey.

Yes lots of updates….

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:52

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:44

You're the one who is SHOUTING AT PEOPLE

Well when people aren’t listening sometimes you have to shout.

burnda · 19/05/2025 10:51

I hate the idea of staying in a big group in a holiday cottage, especially where other peoples kids will be! And I have kids! Maybe that’s it? I think generally speaking people see those who’ve emigrated as making their own beds and just suffer the consequences. I disagree, but then I’ve had similar issues with family and we only moved 4 hours away from our hometown in the UK. We’re the bad guys who were bold enough to leave our hometown though, so must be punished for it! 🤣

Nursemumma92 · 19/05/2025 10:48

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 10:45

Expecting an ailing relative to be in the same health and ability in a years time, is extremely foolhardy.

I think OP needs to also consider that with her plans.

OP is aware of that but she has posted in her updates that she has another major surgery upcoming, so next year is when she will be fit enough to make the journey.

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:48

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 10:45

Expecting an ailing relative to be in the same health and ability in a years time, is extremely foolhardy.

I think OP needs to also consider that with her plans.

After this get together OP won’t be able to come back to the UK for at least a year because of major surgery. She acknowledges that her ailing grandfather may not be here by then, so is prioritising that on this trip. So not sure what point you’re making.

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:45

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 10:43

Of course it is, never said it wasn’t.

again, I’ll point out the first post from OP said he’d meet them in london.

She’s not just coming to see him, he’s part of it, she can’t agree a date with him.

That’s life.

But she did agree a date with him - a year ago. If he didn’t want to stay with family in the holiday let, he’s had a year to say that and make alternative arrangements. He’s the one now changing his plans for his convenience and expecting OP to fall in with them.

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 10:45

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:41

Not hard to keep up at all. Just read the updates. She didn’t mention her accident or disability because it wasn’t relevant until a poster asked why she hasn’t visited more often and why she isn’t planning to again for another year. OP also said that the visit was probably the last time she would see her grandfather because he’s in ill health, so having to leave a day early is taking away from that too. And where did OP say she was forced to move to Australia ? She said her DH didn’t want to relocate to the UK and she made the decision to stay because she loves him, he’s a good, committed dad and and she wants their children to be with their father. The alternative is leaving for the UK alone and quite possibly having to leave her kids behind in Oz. So a choice made from free will.

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Expecting an ailing relative to be in the same health and ability in a years time, is extremely foolhardy.

I think OP needs to also consider that with her plans.

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 10:43

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:32

Which is a reasonable consideration - OP said the travelling time either side of the stay would mean the child being out of school for two weeks during term time. Had she done that she’d have been jumped on here for it. And if you actually read OP’s posts she consulted everyone involved to make sure they were happy with the dates, and everyone got a years’ notice. It’s only now that DB has decided he doesn’t want to stay with family and wants to fly straight in to the UK see OP at the airport and then fly straight out again. So she’s having to accommodate him and change her plans accordingly. I don’t understand why she’s seen as the unreasonable one.

Of course it is, never said it wasn’t.

again, I’ll point out the first post from OP said he’d meet them in london.

She’s not just coming to see him, he’s part of it, she can’t agree a date with him.

That’s life.

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:41

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 09:07

Exactly she's not gone out of her way at all, but now staying a bit longer at Heathrow which will probably be better for her family anyway as they'll be exhausted. She's also now added that she's disabled, having surgery and was forced to move to Australia as far as I can tell. Hard to keep up with this thread!! Glad its sorted OP, hope you and your brother have a lovely catch up and that you have a fabulous trip and quality time with the rest of your family too.

Not hard to keep up at all. Just read the updates. She didn’t mention her accident or disability because it wasn’t relevant until a poster asked why she hasn’t visited more often and why she isn’t planning to again for another year. OP also said that the visit was probably the last time she would see her grandfather because he’s in ill health, so having to leave a day early is taking away from that too. And where did OP say she was forced to move to Australia ? She said her DH didn’t want to relocate to the UK and she made the decision to stay because she loves him, he’s a good, committed dad and and she wants their children to be with their father. The alternative is leaving for the UK alone and quite possibly having to leave her kids behind in Oz. So a choice made from free will.

Crunchymum · 19/05/2025 10:39

@JIMER202 It sounds as though your brother is expecting to see you in the daytime at Heathrow?

His wife will presumably be keeping office hours and depending on how close they live to their airport at home and how long security will take in both airports then they may not be wanting to take a "late" flight out?

Realistically how much time will you get with your brother by meeting him at 4pm in Heathrow before they take a 2 hour flight home?

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:34

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Lots of keyboard warriors out for this thread aren’t there ? One of the nastier threads I’ve read in a while. MN clearly hates emigrants - right up there with step parents.

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:33

brunettemic · 19/05/2025 09:36

You decided to move abroad, that doesn’t mean everyone else has to fit around you.

And she’s not suggesting that. That’s your own interpretation because you haven’t bothered to read the thread before commenting.

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:32

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 10:21

No she didn’t she planned it round her eldest child’s school holidays.

Which is a reasonable consideration - OP said the travelling time either side of the stay would mean the child being out of school for two weeks during term time. Had she done that she’d have been jumped on here for it. And if you actually read OP’s posts she consulted everyone involved to make sure they were happy with the dates, and everyone got a years’ notice. It’s only now that DB has decided he doesn’t want to stay with family and wants to fly straight in to the UK see OP at the airport and then fly straight out again. So she’s having to accommodate him and change her plans accordingly. I don’t understand why she’s seen as the unreasonable one.

chibuahua · 19/05/2025 10:23

AndorTheRelentless · 19/05/2025 09:52

Can you meet where the hotel is?
maybe leave a little earlier?

Read the updates. Problem is resolved

BlazenWeights · 19/05/2025 10:22

CleanShirt · 19/05/2025 05:31

Why do you keep repeating that he doesn't have children?

Because travelling with kids is more inconveniencing than travelling without. It’s common sense really. You don’t need to have kids to understand that one. Do you have kids yourself?

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 10:21

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:15

OP put herself out to comply with the dates that were convenient for everyone, booked and paid for a holiday let so they could all be together and gave them a year’s notice. How is that convoluted ? She’s clearly put a lot of thought into the plans Now DB has decided he just wants to fly in to see OP at the airport and then fly out again. And OP’s the unreasonable one ?

During the course of the thread she’s variously been called, selfish, uncaring, accused of not loving her family and been blamed for emigrating in the first place !! One poster even tried to paint her DH as a controlling arsehole because she was only staying here for ten days. I don’t know how many MN posters actually cope with real life and the random things it throws up if this is anything to go by.

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No she didn’t she planned it round her eldest child’s school holidays.

Digdongdoo · 19/05/2025 10:18

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:14

They’re still family, and OP has made the effort. She booked and paid for a holiday let for them all to be together - that’s not holding anyone else to account. DB had a years’ notice and has now decided he doesn’t want to stay with the rest of the family. That’s on him, but he’s now expecting OP to change her plans and drive to Heathrow a day early to accommodate him because basically he just wants to fly in to the UK, see her, and fly out again. And OP says both her parents work.

No sorry. Emigration isn't an excuse to say jump and demand everyone else say "how high?". He's flying in, he doesn't want to travel further. Which is perfectly reasonable. OP doesn't have to travel back to London early if she doesn't want to either.
It's just life when family is spread out. Having everyone in one place at one time isn't realistic.

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:15

AlwaysFreezing · 19/05/2025 10:08

I think this is a bit of red carpet syndrome. We have a few relatives who live abroad and whenever they come back we joke that we will have to get the red carpet ready for them. Because they're like visiting dignitaries.

The reality for the family you left behind can mean that they're not too bothered about complying with convoluted plans.

Your brother obviously does want to see you, he's flying in for you. But what he doesn't seem to want to do is then travel even further and stay in the cottage. Which is his perogative. To see him you're going to have to do something different to that which you have so carefully planned.

Getting annoyed about it won't help. Trying to make it work is where the effort needs to go.

OP put herself out to comply with the dates that were convenient for everyone, booked and paid for a holiday let so they could all be together and gave them a year’s notice. How is that convoluted ? She’s clearly put a lot of thought into the plans Now DB has decided he just wants to fly in to see OP at the airport and then fly out again. And OP’s the unreasonable one ?

During the course of the thread she’s variously been called, selfish, uncaring, accused of not loving her family and been blamed for emigrating in the first place !! One poster even tried to paint her DH as a controlling arsehole because she was only staying here for ten days. I don’t know how many MN posters actually cope with real life and the random things it throws up if this is anything to go by.

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:14

Digdongdoo · 19/05/2025 10:09

OP when you emigrate, the onus is on you to see the people you want to see. You can't hold anyone else to account for your long journey. Your brother isn't unreasonable to not want to make the journey either. It's nice that your parents and grandparents are willing and able to spend that amount of time with you, but presumably they're retired and your DB is not. Realistically, neither of you have visited each other for year, you're just not that close any more.

They’re still family, and OP has made the effort. She booked and paid for a holiday let for them all to be together - that’s not holding anyone else to account. DB had a years’ notice and has now decided he doesn’t want to stay with the rest of the family. That’s on him, but he’s now expecting OP to change her plans and drive to Heathrow a day early to accommodate him because basically he just wants to fly in to the UK, see her, and fly out again. And OP says both her parents work.

Digdongdoo · 19/05/2025 10:09

OP when you emigrate, the onus is on you to see the people you want to see. You can't hold anyone else to account for your long journey. Your brother isn't unreasonable to not want to make the journey either. It's nice that your parents and grandparents are willing and able to spend that amount of time with you, but presumably they're retired and your DB is not. Realistically, neither of you have visited each other for year, you're just not that close any more.

user1492757084 · 19/05/2025 10:09

Leave the arrangements with him and hope he sees sense.
It would be charitable for them to meet you closer to where you are staying. Your brother is being a dick.

AlwaysFreezing · 19/05/2025 10:08

I think this is a bit of red carpet syndrome. We have a few relatives who live abroad and whenever they come back we joke that we will have to get the red carpet ready for them. Because they're like visiting dignitaries.

The reality for the family you left behind can mean that they're not too bothered about complying with convoluted plans.

Your brother obviously does want to see you, he's flying in for you. But what he doesn't seem to want to do is then travel even further and stay in the cottage. Which is his perogative. To see him you're going to have to do something different to that which you have so carefully planned.

Getting annoyed about it won't help. Trying to make it work is where the effort needs to go.

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