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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

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Pembrokecrier · 19/05/2025 05:51

I don’t think you are being too rigid at all. Ask your brother if staying in the let is the issue? Would he prefer to stay in a local hotel, make it clear you have no issue with that.

Rather than meeting in Heathrow could you meet somewhere halfway?? I don’t know where the let is but somewhere like Guildford or another such nice town halfway between the let and London ?

I totally get why you don’t want to take a day out of holiday but you are coming across a little as seeing your visit as a gift almost, which I can see as a sibling would be annoying

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:49

Middlechild3 · 19/05/2025 05:46

This sorry. To me it sounds like you are the rigid one expecting your brother to fall in with your plans. I agree with this poster. Just because you emigrated doesn't mean people have to fall in place to suit you on your visits back. It's a price of emigrating I've seen a few 'caught out' by. The world keeps turning for other people's lives too not just the emigres.

My brother also emigrated! Which is why he wants to meet in London….

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:48

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 05:44

He’s told you he doesn’t want to do it!

You keep saying how easy it is for him, no kids, leave whenever, travels all the time, blah blah.

My answer was, conforming to this is irritating that’s my view from having been pressured to do it. Take leave at a certain time, cancel plans, change children’s schedules.

You’re saying it’s none of that, then ask him?

I mean if you’ve discussed this and speak every week, what’s happened between I’m booking the holiday Cottage these are the dates you’ve confirmed you can make and it being booked? Surely if you’re speaking every week you had agreement?

Ok again he is good on the leave and this is a year out and he already agreed the dates lol, no kids schedules to sort out, he was just asked to visit us as he does his in laws and parents a few times a year. He said yes and then suddenly said actually it’s easier for me to meet in London or Heathrow. Which is great, but it’s going to be expensive for us and not as easy. I was shocked when he changed the plans and wanted to see if I’m actually being unreasonable in pushing back on this. I don’t really get it tbh. If he never travelled home I would understand if a lot more.

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Middlechild3 · 19/05/2025 05:46

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 04:38

My sister emigrated, every time she came home she expected everyone’s holiday plans to be around her.

We got “but I’ve travelled this far” and made to feel guilty that we wouldn’t fit in with plans that she wanted.

You’ve emigrated, one of the things is that you’re not going to see family so much. Your choice.

Your children are not too young to take on tubes etc and a 6 year old has plenty to do in London.

This sorry. To me it sounds like you are the rigid one expecting your brother to fall in with your plans. I agree with this poster. Just because you emigrated doesn't mean people have to fall in place to suit you on your visits back. It's a price of emigrating I've seen a few 'caught out' by. The world keeps turning for other people's lives too not just the emigres.

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 05:46

Tenducks · 19/05/2025 05:43

Really surprised at these responses. Yes the brother shouldn’t expect to do too much running around if the other person had equivalent circumstances but it’s massively relevant that the OP has small children to wrangle and a 24 hr journey with a 2 year old just doesn’t need another extension with a meet up at the airport.
They have a base for ten days in the middle of two mammoth journeys and I can see why OP doesn’t want to add a 6-8 hr round trip to London in the middle of that time.
Having small children to consider is massively relevant. He should put himself out.

I agree with this completely, except if he doesn't have kids he won't understand what a mission it will be. He'll just think she's already coming all this way, what's a bit more.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:45

Im hurt because they travel back to our hometown frequently so I’m not sure why they can’t this time. My brother said leave wouldn’t be an issue and at first was keen on the holiday let idea. I will speak to him again, I will do Heathrow if we have to. It’s just not where I pictured seeing my brother after 4 years and introducing my children. Our flight is also at 11.45am!!! And so this means we will now have to travel to Heathrow the day before AND pay to stay overnight there vs traveling the morning of, so it cuts a day out of our trip and is going to cost us to stay there just for a meal at Heathrow. Yes I do find that annoying.

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Tbrh · 19/05/2025 05:44

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:35

I’m going to give this a go! And then if he won’t budge then I guess we will have to meet at the airport. It will just be a bit of an odd meeting sadly, but better than nothing! We talk weekly which is why I guess I’m so surprised. Our parents think something else may be going on as they are also surprised but also they have no idea what!

He might be being thick or there might be more to it. I'd try this first, and if not ask him to figure out a way to meet at Heathrow as you're not familiar with it, so at least he can organise this part. That should be a good compromise. Good luck!

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 05:44

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:38

So we are booking a year out and told my family first to make sure we try and get to see them first, there are no scheduling conflicts etc. My brother has his own business and told me leave wouldn’t be an issue. That’s why we thought he wanted to do the holiday let too, but we also said we could just meet for the day of that suited them better (again they come back to our hometown often and will stay for 1-2 nights). We actually checked dates with everyone first too! He told me himself leave wouldn’t be an issue. I think you are sending a message to your sister almost here, but the circumstances are different. Again, we checked dates with everyone before booking!

He’s told you he doesn’t want to do it!

You keep saying how easy it is for him, no kids, leave whenever, travels all the time, blah blah.

My answer was, conforming to this is irritating that’s my view from having been pressured to do it. Take leave at a certain time, cancel plans, change children’s schedules.

You’re saying it’s none of that, then ask him?

I mean if you’ve discussed this and speak every week, what’s happened between I’m booking the holiday Cottage these are the dates you’ve confirmed you can make and it being booked? Surely if you’re speaking every week you had agreement?

Tenducks · 19/05/2025 05:43

Really surprised at these responses. Yes the brother shouldn’t expect to do too much running around if the other person had equivalent circumstances but it’s massively relevant that the OP has small children to wrangle and a 24 hr journey with a 2 year old just doesn’t need another extension with a meet up at the airport.
They have a base for ten days in the middle of two mammoth journeys and I can see why OP doesn’t want to add a 6-8 hr round trip to London in the middle of that time.
Having small children to consider is massively relevant. He should put himself out.

Bodonka · 19/05/2025 05:43

Also FWIW if you feel awkward, loads of people meet at Heathrow to catch up with people on layovers/before they go away - one of the reasons there are so many restaurants/cafes before security! I’ve gone at least 3 times to catch up with someone either flying through, or who that was the only place/time we could make when they’re here.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:41

Bodonka · 19/05/2025 05:38

If he doesn’t want to, that’s fine and just leave it. He’s suggested a compromise where he still travels to see you, if you don’t agree you won’t be seeing him. It is what it is.

Echo what others have said though. I completely understand what you’re saying around it being hard work, but your children would absolutely enjoy London at that age! We live close-ish and DS has been obsessed with going in and riding the tube since he could say ‘tube’ 😂 Heathrow also definitely has restaurants and places to sit and watch the planes before security (this has also been a day out for us before!) so you do have options. I understand you’re put out that he doesn’t want to fit into your plans, but that it what it is sometimes - like how you don’t want to fit into his!

London is several hours away from where my family live (as it’s rural) which is why we would rather not do central London vs not liking London. We actually lived in Clapham and both worked in London before we emigrated so we know it well :) We have about 8 days of being able to see people. Heathrow may be the compromise then, I’m just hurt as they travel back home all the time. Again my brother also lives abroad for anyone thinking I’m being annoying about travelling home and expecting people to drop plans. It’s a year out!

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Renabrook · 19/05/2025 05:40

But you are equally being rigid sure you can think well i have kids so it is easier for him but you can't dictate what others do t fit what you want he has his reason too

Just vecuyou are willing to pay doesn't make it work for others

Renabrook · 19/05/2025 05:40

But you are equally being rigid sure you can think well i have kids so it is easier for him but you can't dictate what others do t fit what you want he has his reason too

Just vecuyou are willing to pay doesn't make it work for others

Renabrook · 19/05/2025 05:40

But you are equally being rigid sure you can think well i have kids so it is easier for him but you can't dictate what others do t fit what you want he has his reason too

Just vecuyou are willing to pay doesn't make it work for others

Renabrook · 19/05/2025 05:40

But you are equally being rigid sure you can think well i have kids so it is easier for him but you can't dictate what others do t fit what you want he has his reason too

Just vecuyou are willing to pay doesn't make it work for others

Renabrook · 19/05/2025 05:40

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Disasterclass · 19/05/2025 05:40

I think he has compromised to you by suggesting Heathrow. It’s a place you have to be anyway, so presumably he suggested it as it is easy for you, and easier for him than travelling to your home town. I would agree to meet him there

PotolKimchi · 19/05/2025 05:40

Because he travels to the UK on his terms. This time it’s dictated by someone else (and mostly that someone else’s children and their requirements). Your brother has no real relationship with your kids and most likely won’t have a close one given the distance. So really it’s just you he wants to see.

This is someone who is taking time out, and flying out from another country to have a meal at Heathrow JUST to see you. I would be very touched by this. I don’t think there is any big drama. I am sure you like his wife etc but to her you are her brother’s wife she will see a couple of times in a decade maybe. Maybe she just didn’t want to make the trip?

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:38

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 05:34

I’m giving a view point of a person that’s sister used to do this all the bloody time!

I’m home from Australia, so we have to meet and holiday together and you’ve got to see me, because I’ve chosen a certain date and you must conform. It didn’t always fit in with my family schedule, I also had young children and commitments for various things. Which could’ve been as simple as I wanted to attend an event on that weekend, that I’d booked tickets for. It means I don’t want to just lose those, but no thought is given to prior arrangements.

You don’t like that, well that’s how it is. You say he’s self employed, that doesn’t mean “leave is not an issue”, he still has commitments and deadlines. Do you think self employed means not working? Of course it doesn’t and in many cases it’s harder to deal with leave.

So we are booking a year out and told my family first to make sure we try and get to see them first, there are no scheduling conflicts etc. My brother has his own business and told me leave wouldn’t be an issue. That’s why we thought he wanted to do the holiday let too, but we also said we could just meet for the day of that suited them better (again they come back to our hometown often and will stay for 1-2 nights). We actually checked dates with everyone first too! He told me himself leave wouldn’t be an issue. I think you are sending a message to your sister almost here, but the circumstances are different. Again, we checked dates with everyone before booking!

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Bodonka · 19/05/2025 05:38

If he doesn’t want to, that’s fine and just leave it. He’s suggested a compromise where he still travels to see you, if you don’t agree you won’t be seeing him. It is what it is.

Echo what others have said though. I completely understand what you’re saying around it being hard work, but your children would absolutely enjoy London at that age! We live close-ish and DS has been obsessed with going in and riding the tube since he could say ‘tube’ 😂 Heathrow also definitely has restaurants and places to sit and watch the planes before security (this has also been a day out for us before!) so you do have options. I understand you’re put out that he doesn’t want to fit into your plans, but that it what it is sometimes - like how you don’t want to fit into his!

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:35

EdisinBurgh · 19/05/2025 05:32

Either he doesn’t really care about seeing you OR he’s a bit dense and not thinking it through. People who travel a lot often overthink how easy it is to meet up at an airport or mutual city because they do it frequently. Have you actually picked up the phone and said “Brother, we want to see you, the kids need some uncle time and thats not a quick chat outside WH Smith in terminal 2: I won’t be able to come back for years so stop being a dick, pull your finger out and come to the holiday rental for some quality time or I’ll be cross” (adjust for tone to match how you usually speak to your bro!)

If you can’t do that perhaps the issue is you’re not very close … these trips can make this apparent. See my first point…

I’m going to give this a go! And then if he won’t budge then I guess we will have to meet at the airport. It will just be a bit of an odd meeting sadly, but better than nothing! We talk weekly which is why I guess I’m so surprised. Our parents think something else may be going on as they are also surprised but also they have no idea what!

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TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 05:34

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:28

My brother works for himself so leave isn’t an issue (he has confirmed this) and he also lives abroad…and comes back to the UK often.
Not sure I get the nastiness of this.

I’m giving a view point of a person that’s sister used to do this all the bloody time!

I’m home from Australia, so we have to meet and holiday together and you’ve got to see me, because I’ve chosen a certain date and you must conform. It didn’t always fit in with my family schedule, I also had young children and commitments for various things. Which could’ve been as simple as I wanted to attend an event on that weekend, that I’d booked tickets for. It means I don’t want to just lose those, but no thought is given to prior arrangements.

You don’t like that, well that’s how it is. You say he’s self employed, that doesn’t mean “leave is not an issue”, he still has commitments and deadlines. Do you think self employed means not working? Of course it doesn’t and in many cases it’s harder to deal with leave.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:34

CleanShirt · 19/05/2025 05:31

Why do you keep repeating that he doesn't have children?

Because traveling several hours on the train and tubes to central London with 2 jet lagged children because we are flying from Australia isn’t the same as him flying from 2 hours away. I’d say it’s very relevant.

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EdisinBurgh · 19/05/2025 05:32

Either he doesn’t really care about seeing you OR he’s a bit dense and not thinking it through. People who travel a lot often overthink how easy it is to meet up at an airport or mutual city because they do it frequently. Have you actually picked up the phone and said “Brother, we want to see you, the kids need some uncle time and thats not a quick chat outside WH Smith in terminal 2: I won’t be able to come back for years so stop being a dick, pull your finger out and come to the holiday rental for some quality time or I’ll be cross” (adjust for tone to match how you usually speak to your bro!)

If you can’t do that perhaps the issue is you’re not very close … these trips can make this apparent. See my first point…

CleanShirt · 19/05/2025 05:31

Why do you keep repeating that he doesn't have children?

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