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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

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pimlicopubber · 20/05/2025 03:41

You are well within your rights to say no to your brother, but I had to laugh at you repeating the line that "the children are too young for London". There are hundreds or thousands of small children living in London. Mine have been going to central London on a regular basis since they were tiny babies.
There's a huge amount of enjoyable things to do in London, your brother doesn't insist on "central central" London and he would be happy with meeting closer to the airport. I'd pick South Ken myself and make it an enjoyable day out, but lots of spots close to the airport.

Overall, it's completely fine to say you don't want to meet in London for one reason or another, but refusing to do so because the children are too young WILL get raised eyebrows.

SuperTrooper14 · 20/05/2025 03:10

He cannot seriously be suggesting he flies into Gatwick and you go there from Heathrow to meet him or have I misread that?!

Feetinthegrass · 20/05/2025 03:07

I would also leave it to db to work out his own logistics, given he has made the decision not to stay at the holiday let, the onus is on him to make the alternative arrangements. I’d step back from that quietly and leave it with him.

Feetinthegrass · 20/05/2025 03:04

In your position I would be staying at Thorpe Park (20 mins from the airport) and treat my dc to an afternoon of rides. After a long week staying with the family, this might be a fun way to end your holiday.

Your brother can join you there for dinner at the hotel which will far more relaxed than an airport hotel - but still extremely close and convenient. I’d probably keep it as a surprise for the dc.

The rooms have just been renovated, and it adds a different dimension to your stay. If your brothers flight is cancelled or delayed it won’t matter as much, as you will be occupied and having a lovely time. There are plenty of inexpensive hotels nearby if you or db wish to stay - or you can stay on site.

https://www.thorpepark.com/short-breaks/

JIMER202 · 20/05/2025 00:56

soupyspoon · 19/05/2025 18:46

You're changing your plans by a few hours arent you?

Despite a previous post where you said that you wouldnt be at Heathrow until the day of departure, you later confirmed you would be staying the night before (obviously). So you'll just need to get to Heathrow a few hours earlier to meet him.

How does that equate to 'tons on bending on our part'

We can’t get to Heathrow earlier anyway as the one flight from his country will mean he won’t be out the airport until 6-7pm unfortunately. They usually fly to Gatwick so didn’t realise there is only one flight a day.

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JIMER202 · 20/05/2025 00:55

If anyone knows of lovely hotels near Heathrow with good food I’m all ears! Trying to give them as many options as possible now. It will be taxis to the airport if we stay on the way back and so hopefully nothing too far. Thank you everyone who gets it and has posted helpful places to see! We may take the children to hobbledown Heath ourselves on our last day in England as it looks a lovely place!

Now we have looked at flight times central London won’t even work as my brothers one flight in of the day would be getting him out the airport for 6-7pm. He’s going to check Gatwick for flights also. If we went from Heathrow on the train to meet somewhere in the middle any suggestions?

it is feeling like a real logisticial nightmare trying to plan it around our flights in and out and his rigid flight times

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JIMER202 · 20/05/2025 00:50

lola006 · 19/05/2025 19:11

I live abroad and “going home” is always really tough. You almost never win, there will be always someone you couldn’t get to. So I empathise with OP on trying to make things work and being frustrated.

All I’m going to add, OP, is that the Premier Inn on Bath Rd (close to T2/3) has a massive lobby area with a Costa, a bar, a sit down restaurant. Staying somewhere like that, esp if your brother stays overnight as well, means your DC would have a bit more freedom to run around. If I was trying to organise a quick visit with a sibling and young DC that’s where I would pick to stay.

So helpful thank you!!

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JIMER202 · 20/05/2025 00:49

TunnocksOrDeath · 19/05/2025 21:15

If midway is Oxford, then I think you're probably near enough London to leave the 2 year old with granny, and meet your brother at the Natural History Museum with the six year old. The two year old will get spoiled, and the six year old will have a blast. Everyone's a winner. My DC loves a train ride to a museum, especially if they get a copy of The Metro and a babycinno, like a proper commuter, for the journey.

My brother has never met my 2 year old so I’d feel a bit odd not bringing him too. Getting to central London would be several hours there and back. My brother again is also trying to fly to and from Heathrow and we both didn’t realise how restrictive the times would be for him! It’s land in London in afternoon and then fly back in the morning, only one flight option each day. They typically fly to Gatwick and suggested that so I’ve left the ball in their court to look at those flight options.

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JIMER202 · 20/05/2025 00:44

Pipsquiggle · 19/05/2025 20:48

@JIMER202 I think you are getting loads of awful replies on here.

With everything that you have said about your relationship with your DB and how you haven't been able to meet, it does seem weird that he wants to meet at Heathrow.

I would encourage you to have a chat with him to know what's going on. They'll be something up in his life or he has the emotional intelligence of an amoeba - in which case tell him to come to the holiday let.

Spoke today and it’s just that he wants to meet at London Heathrow because he thinks we will already be there.

The big issue now is that there’s only one flight per day. So we wouldn’t be able to do the Hobbledown Heath plan unless he flies in the night before, stays a night in a hotel, and then we drive up in the morning to spend the day. The one flight back out however is EARLY before 9am and so he would then miss that flight and need to have another night at Heathrow! It’s a logistical nightmare, not even accounting for the different terminals. For anyone saying why can’t we just go up a night early, because we have already paid for the 7 night let and are hoping to see friends/family. Spending 2 nights at Heathrow and paying for accommodation twice isn’t something I am willing to budge on.

I’ve seen a lot of people say 10 days but when I wrote down our full travel plans and itinerary it’s actually 7 nights in the holiday let because we are flying in and then staying at Heathrow, driving to the holiday let the next day, spending 7 nights and then driving back to Heathrow as the flight is the next day early. So that makes 10 days technically in the UK but 2 nights will be at Heathrow and one of those days we fly out early so it’s basically not a day. We then have our long flights either side and then hotels/travel either side at the other end as it’s 8hrs drive to/from the airport in Australia. Hope that all make sense! That’s how we get to 2 weeks leave.

So we land mid morning, by the time we do immigration (and my husband isn’t British and my children don’t have UK passports so we will be in different lines, not sure how that will quite work) it will be early afternoon UK time and then we have to go collect our hire car and get to our hotel so it will be about time for hotel check in at 4pm that day. The next day the plan was to drive to the holiday let which we can get in from 10am. I’ve asked my brother if we could meet the evening we land, hoping my children won’t be too hideously jet lagged as this is the only time that roughly coincides with his restricted flights in and out. By the time he lands and is done with check in we are looking at about 6-7pm. He would then spend the night at a hotel and fly back the next day.

The other option is we drive to Heathrow from
the holiday let and meet him for dinner that night. This would be my preferred option. Again he would get to us at best around 6-7pm.

So it looks like the options are going to be either meeting the evening of the day we land or the evening before we fly out. And he will have to spend a night at Heathrow due to his restricted flight times. Given him all the info and left the ball in his court. He’s going to think about he said and I’m
going to leave it well alone for now. Our holiday let and flights are booked, anything else people can sort out closer to the time I guess. My AIBU was over asking him to come to us.

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TunnocksOrDeath · 19/05/2025 21:15

If midway is Oxford, then I think you're probably near enough London to leave the 2 year old with granny, and meet your brother at the Natural History Museum with the six year old. The two year old will get spoiled, and the six year old will have a blast. Everyone's a winner. My DC loves a train ride to a museum, especially if they get a copy of The Metro and a babycinno, like a proper commuter, for the journey.

Pipsquiggle · 19/05/2025 20:48

@JIMER202 I think you are getting loads of awful replies on here.

With everything that you have said about your relationship with your DB and how you haven't been able to meet, it does seem weird that he wants to meet at Heathrow.

I would encourage you to have a chat with him to know what's going on. They'll be something up in his life or he has the emotional intelligence of an amoeba - in which case tell him to come to the holiday let.

lola006 · 19/05/2025 19:11

I live abroad and “going home” is always really tough. You almost never win, there will be always someone you couldn’t get to. So I empathise with OP on trying to make things work and being frustrated.

All I’m going to add, OP, is that the Premier Inn on Bath Rd (close to T2/3) has a massive lobby area with a Costa, a bar, a sit down restaurant. Staying somewhere like that, esp if your brother stays overnight as well, means your DC would have a bit more freedom to run around. If I was trying to organise a quick visit with a sibling and young DC that’s where I would pick to stay.

soupyspoon · 19/05/2025 18:46

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 15:01

They do that drive every other time they come back. So yes we don’t understand why it’s different this time. And so we are changing our plans to meet him because that’s easier for them.

You're changing your plans by a few hours arent you?

Despite a previous post where you said that you wouldnt be at Heathrow until the day of departure, you later confirmed you would be staying the night before (obviously). So you'll just need to get to Heathrow a few hours earlier to meet him.

How does that equate to 'tons on bending on our part'

soupyspoon · 19/05/2025 18:42

I dont get the timeline of what was agreed when.

Was this agreed last year, with a years notice and now brother is saying he doesnt fancy the holiday cottage bit but is still wanting to fly to the UK to meet OP

or is it being planned now, with a years notice and at the original suggestion he said he wanted to do the holiday bit but now has confirmed, with a years notice, that he doesnt want to do that bit?

In any case either way, I agree with other posters that he has probably, reasonably had second doubts about being with kids for a week in a holiday cottage in gthe middle of nowhere.

Rosie8880 · 19/05/2025 18:37

Rewis · 19/05/2025 14:25

I think it has been very eye opening to see that so many people think that so many childfree couples want children and those who struggle to have kids also really struggle with meeting niblings

so much this - so many people have zero interest in having kids, sometimes I think parents can’t quite get their head around this. It’s not always that child free people want kids but can’t have them, loads of folk just don’t want them at all.

ThesebeautifulthingsthatIvegot · 19/05/2025 18:22

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:26

Your last paragraph is actually along the lines of what he has just text me and it’s now clicked for me. Thank you! He is coming to see us and so as long as he can see us will be happy, he isn’t wanting drive to see family as he sees them often anyway. For some reason I hadn’t seen that perspective so thank you!

Oh I'm glad you've seen it from the other side and spoken with him. It's really hard to do that when your lives are so different. Of course you want a quiet cottage - you've got two little children to think of!

ChristmasinQueensland · 19/05/2025 17:56

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 17:09

So we are now looking at flights ( I’m having to help sort that too as I know when we will land etc) and I hadn’t even considered the terminal issue with Heathrow being so big! The issue I’m seeing now is there are basically 1 flight in or out a day from his country and so he would have to spend the night at Heathrow too. We were hoping to do the Hoddbledown idea but his flights don’t get in until 4pm and it closes at 5pm and the flights out the next day are at 7am!! Hoping we can still find a fix

He's still avoiding the drive that way, though. If he booked a one night stay at your hotel, you could all eat together, then your husband takes the kids off to bed, and you and your brother have the rest of the evening for drinks and catching up. Say goodnight, up in the morning and off for your flight. Suggest it to him.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 17:09

SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 16:51

Something to bear in mind if you are now meeting at Heathrow OP is which terminal he's flying into and you're flying out of. There's quite a distance between them – Tube ride in some cases – and not all of them have great restaurants. Is your DB at least willing to come through Arrivals to meet you?

So we are now looking at flights ( I’m having to help sort that too as I know when we will land etc) and I hadn’t even considered the terminal issue with Heathrow being so big! The issue I’m seeing now is there are basically 1 flight in or out a day from his country and so he would have to spend the night at Heathrow too. We were hoping to do the Hoddbledown idea but his flights don’t get in until 4pm and it closes at 5pm and the flights out the next day are at 7am!! Hoping we can still find a fix

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SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 16:51

Something to bear in mind if you are now meeting at Heathrow OP is which terminal he's flying into and you're flying out of. There's quite a distance between them – Tube ride in some cases – and not all of them have great restaurants. Is your DB at least willing to come through Arrivals to meet you?

Ddakji · 19/05/2025 16:48

That’s a good point @Isabella777 - maybe your brother just wants to hang with you and yours @JIMER202. Maybe he feels he wouldn’t get to do that with your parents and any other wider family there.

One thing I’m not sure of is why you can’t just ask him for his reasons. Is your relationship with him strained that you can’t?

Isabella777 · 19/05/2025 16:37

Towwanthustice · 19/05/2025 12:52

I always find adults with no children are never on the same page. He hasnt walked in your shoes so won't understand the complexities of it all.
I wouldn't do it. Your babies are gping to need as much rest as possible inbewtween travelling there and back.. and u will too.

Honestly as I read the original post again I think this is the most reasonable explanation. I actually like to spend time with my sister and her kids on our own, without our parents sometimes. Our mom tends to dominate conversations, plans, everything, that it's hard to properly catch up and have the cousins have quality time. Could it be OP that your brother just really wanted sometime with YOUR family rather than sharing you with everyone else. It sounds like you are just meeting for lunch at the airport but he initially suggested more than that? I totally get how the city with little kids is a lot, and being childless, he does not really appreciate that. At the same time, staying in London necessarily doesn't mean you have to do all the sights, you could choose a family friendly area and go to parks, etc.

SimoneSpeaksSoftly · 19/05/2025 15:56

Chachar · 19/05/2025 15:41

I think the fact they drive everytime actually means it's okay to not drive this time

Adding an extra 8 hours min, hire car costs etc for 1 or 2 days is a big extra when he is also flying over to see you

Its seems like db has a history of putting in a lot of effort in, which somehow is now being used against him

Edited

Again, I think OP has every right to be upset. Doing the drive all the time for everyone else but not OP show where the priorities lie.. Which is totally DB's right. And it's nice he's flying in for lunch rather than not coming at all. But he probably should have been upfront to begin with. Personally, I would adjust my effort accordingly in the future.

SuchiRolls · 19/05/2025 15:50

Unfortunately if he’s choosing not to travel further, there isn’t much you can do about it. If you’ve made it clear to him you can’t come to London and he won’t come to you, then you won’t be seeing him. If it were me I’d arrange to have a meal prior to flying as others have suggested, that way he can see you all in one spot and fly in and out. If this doesn’t suit you either then you won’t be seeing him I guess.

Thegodfatherreturns · 19/05/2025 15:43

I would just meet him at Heathrow. There are lots of restaurants before security. If he would prefer to just meet you all for a meal rather than do loads of travelling I can't see the problem.

Chachar · 19/05/2025 15:42

Blessthismess2 · 19/05/2025 15:33

But isnt he taking a two hour flight just to see her? Doesn’t that show how much her cares? To fly for the day just for lunch? I’ve never done that and would only do it for someone who really mattered to me.

Edited

I wonder if alot of the posts accusing the brother of not making an effort haven't realised he is flying a few hours each way specifically to meet them

There's lots of talk about op having to go to him, but he's definitely making more than an effort!

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