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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:39

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:37

Now you're saying he's an anxious driver 🙄 Well this is probably the issue! Ffs 🤦🏼‍♀️

We are also anxious about driving in the Uk …having not driven there in several years and being in a hire car. He does drive abroad where they live and in the UK when they come back but he will defer to his wife a LOT for anything

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Twilightstarbright · 19/05/2025 06:39

@nomas leave it in the hire car they have. The venue might be willing to store it too, the people working there are lovely. I have no skin in the game but have done a similar Heathrow meeting when DS was 5. I’m just trying to help.

Doggymummar · 19/05/2025 06:38

UK isnt that big, isn't there an airport nearer to your family you could fly to that cuts down travel time? A four hour drive after that flight will not be particularly safe. You could also fly via you brothers country. Stop with him for a few days to break the journey and arrive in the UK more refreshed. I think it's a really big ask having everyone take ten days off work to see you. Particularly cooped up in a place that's not their own. I wouldn't like it, and I wouldn't do it.

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:37

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:33

I agree with this! This is a really huge deal for us. And lots of life changes have happened, it’s going to be a really emotional trip. So hopefully we can work out how to see him.

Someone asked does his wife do the organizing and driving usually and she does! He’s quite an anxious driver and I did suspect this may be it and will ask him. Initially we thought my SIL would be coming but as someone else said maybe she isn’t too bothered. I’m close with my brother but not my SIL and not for any bad reason, we just haven’t seen each other in years and they are older so we were never close but are friendly when we see each other.

Now you're saying he's an anxious driver 🙄 Well this is probably the issue! Ffs 🤦🏼‍♀️

Hazlenuts2016 · 19/05/2025 06:36

Seems unreasonable of him. Only thing I could think was could he and his wife be v unsuccessfully ttc and she doesn't want to spend a long time around children because she is feeling v sensitive? I don't know how old she is, but wondered.

nomas · 19/05/2025 06:36

HoppingPavlova · 19/05/2025 06:33

This may be what we have to do. I think I’m going to have to voice that I don’t understand why they can come back to the UK and travel to see family but can’t this one time we will be there? It is hurtful

Why are you trying to create drama where there is one. You have to go to Heathrow to get your plane. He is offering to meet there as it won’t put you out AT ALL, and you want to create a fuss about it! Why not just have a catch up with your brother in a place you HAVE to be anyway. It’s not odd, it’s actually a very sensible suggestion on his part.

Also, maybe he and his wife doesn’t want to be trapped in a house with young kids? I wouldn’t. I’ve had my kids, they have grown, no way I would agree to staying in a house with young children at this point. If need be, I’d hire a different house and just come over for an hour or so to visit then leave, or come after they are in bed, which honestly wouldn’t be that different to catching up at Heathrow! It’s one of those cases where we all love our own kids, but young kids are generally really annoying to others if they are not theirs😊.

OP has said she would need to arrive at Heathrow the night before if she were to meet him.

Unless I suppose if she meets him for 30 minutes.

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:36

nomas · 19/05/2025 06:30

Nothing has changed, you are just refusing to read what was written.

Edited

Nothing has changed, you’re right. From the start he said can we meet in London.

MadinMarch · 19/05/2025 06:35

CleanShirt · 19/05/2025 05:31

Why do you keep repeating that he doesn't have children?

Because travelling long distances with children can be a logistical nightmare and so much more difficult and unpredictable than travelling with no children! Particularly after long flights from Australia and jet lag etc.
It's really not rocket science!
Op- I took my daughter then aged 6 to Australia from the UK and I know it's difficult and takes time to recover from the flights. I don't think most people on here can appreciate how much. In your shoes, I'd stick to your guns and persuade your brother to come to you at the holiday let. You're not being unreasonable and it's by far the most sensible and the most potentially relaxing way with children the ages of yours.
It's odd that your brother is being so difficult about the plans having not seen you for so long! I'd be upset about this.
I wonder though if they are struggling to conceive and being around children for an extended time could be difficult?

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:35

askmenow · 19/05/2025 06:33

Oh do give over !
Bro and the missus travelling on this one special occasion to see his sis and the little ones is different to dragging two tired little kids on a train to London to visit two adults.

Your bro is an arse! Has he always been an arse or only since he married?

His wife doesn’t care.

There’s more to the script here…ie they won’t be the centre of family attention on this visit. The focus will be on you.

Are they child free deliberately or have they struggled to conceive?

Theres something underlying his reasoning because clearly he doesn’t care enough to put himself out for two little children.

Child free by choice. And I do think she probably isn’t bothered 😆 hadn’t really occurred to me before!

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askmenow · 19/05/2025 06:33

Oh do give over !
Bro and the missus travelling on this one special occasion to see his sis and the little ones is different to dragging two tired little kids on a train to London to visit two adults.

Your bro is an arse! Has he always been an arse or only since he married?

His wife doesn’t care.

There’s more to the script here…ie they won’t be the centre of family attention on this visit. The focus will be on you.

Are they child free deliberately or have they struggled to conceive?

Theres something underlying his reasoning because clearly he doesn’t care enough to put himself out for two little children.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:33

PotolKimchi · 19/05/2025 06:26

He’s allowed to say he doesn’t want to spend ten days in a cottage. You are allowed to say look X works for us, Y doesn’t. There is no big drama here.

I think this trip is huge for you. You have had a life changing illness, a sick child, this trip is costing a lot of money, there is a sick relative involved, you don’t know when you will come again. The stakes are high for you but they are not for him. It doesn’t make him a bad brother or a horrible person.

I agree with this! This is a really huge deal for us. And lots of life changes have happened, it’s going to be a really emotional trip. So hopefully we can work out how to see him.

Someone asked does his wife do the organizing and driving usually and she does! He’s quite an anxious driver and I did suspect this may be it and will ask him. Initially we thought my SIL would be coming but as someone else said maybe she isn’t too bothered. I’m close with my brother but not my SIL and not for any bad reason, we just haven’t seen each other in years and they are older so we were never close but are friendly when we see each other.

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HoppingPavlova · 19/05/2025 06:33

This may be what we have to do. I think I’m going to have to voice that I don’t understand why they can come back to the UK and travel to see family but can’t this one time we will be there? It is hurtful

Why are you trying to create drama where there is one. You have to go to Heathrow to get your plane. He is offering to meet there as it won’t put you out AT ALL, and you want to create a fuss about it! Why not just have a catch up with your brother in a place you HAVE to be anyway. It’s not odd, it’s actually a very sensible suggestion on his part.

Also, maybe he and his wife doesn’t want to be trapped in a house with young kids? I wouldn’t. I’ve had my kids, they have grown, no way I would agree to staying in a house with young children at this point. If need be, I’d hire a different house and just come over for an hour or so to visit then leave, or come after they are in bed, which honestly wouldn’t be that different to catching up at Heathrow! It’s one of those cases where we all love our own kids, but young kids are generally really annoying to others if they are not theirs😊.

nomas · 19/05/2025 06:31

Twilightstarbright · 19/05/2025 06:30

@JIMER202 there is a place called Hobbledown Heath a stones throw from Heathrow. Go there earlier in the day, and your partner can take your kids around it which you and your brother have a catch up in the cafe or in the cafe of the golf place next door. HH is the perfect place for kids the same age as yours.

Similar but not identical- we used to live abroad and so did DH’s sister. Lots of being told we should fly to them, fly on dates that suited them etc but it wasn’t always as simple as that. It’s the reality of moving abroad.

What do they do with all their luggage?

nomas · 19/05/2025 06:30

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:27

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

Not what the OP indicated to me, but it has it fairness changed over the course of the thread. It’s seems here it was a no from the start. 🤷‍♀️

Nothing has changed, you are just refusing to read what was written.

Twilightstarbright · 19/05/2025 06:30

@JIMER202 there is a place called Hobbledown Heath a stones throw from Heathrow. Go there earlier in the day, and your partner can take your kids around it which you and your brother have a catch up in the cafe or in the cafe of the golf place next door. HH is the perfect place for kids the same age as yours.

Similar but not identical- we used to live abroad and so did DH’s sister. Lots of being told we should fly to them, fly on dates that suited them etc but it wasn’t always as simple as that. It’s the reality of moving abroad.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:30

moose62 · 19/05/2025 06:27

I get why you are upset and don't really understand why people are blaming you for emigrating. My son lives in Australia and I have just been to visit him. The jet lag was awful following 30 hours of travelling and took me 2 days to feel normal again. With two children I understand why you want to stay put when you get here.
There is obviously something else going on. I wouldn't try and find out what, just make plans to meet at Heathrow and that gives him time to think about whether he wants to change his mind.

Thank you!! My mum had really bad jet lag when she came back from visiting us and so she was the one who suggested we try and stay in one place and be realistic about how much travel we do with young children. I don’t understand why I’m being blamed for emigrating either.

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Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:30

nomas · 19/05/2025 06:26

I don’t get why you don’t get that these dates were suggested a year in advance and he agreed to them?

Because alot can change in a year. If someone asked me something a year in advance all I can say is yes or I'll have to let you know closer to the time? I feel I'm missing something because I think OPs brother already seems like he is making an effort to see her, as far as I can see the brother is making a special flight to London yet OP isn't making any extra travel out of the plans she's already made. How much she's travelling is irrelevant as that was part of her trip.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:28

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:27

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

Not what the OP indicated to me, but it has it fairness changed over the course of the thread. It’s seems here it was a no from the start. 🤷‍♀️

Because he agreed and now we have booked the place and let him know it wouldn’t cost him anything he changed his bloody mind!

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nomas · 19/05/2025 06:28

Smoronic · 19/05/2025 06:26

The thing I'm most confused about is why you don't stay for longer? DH returns earlier and you bring the DC back after another week?

She’s already explained she has had life changing surgery and would struggle with the two young kids (one a toddler) on such a long journey.

moose62 · 19/05/2025 06:27

I get why you are upset and don't really understand why people are blaming you for emigrating. My son lives in Australia and I have just been to visit him. The jet lag was awful following 30 hours of travelling and took me 2 days to feel normal again. With two children I understand why you want to stay put when you get here.
There is obviously something else going on. I wouldn't try and find out what, just make plans to meet at Heathrow and that gives him time to think about whether he wants to change his mind.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:27

PotolKimchi · 19/05/2025 06:17

Also. Maybe his wife organises the catch ups with the in laws. But while you are friendly with the wife maybe seeing you is not a priority for her. And they see family because it’s an ongoing active relationship. They are never going to have that with your kids. So he’s coming to see you.

Ouch!! My poor kids I guess. Luckily my family do make an effort with them.

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TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:27

nomas · 19/05/2025 06:24

He agreed to these dates a year in advance of OP’s visit. He could coincide it with one of his regular visits to his parents. He clearly just doesn’t want to. He should have said from the start that he couldn’t make, instead of acting like this after plans have been made and OP likely booked accommodation big enough because he said he was coming.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

Not what the OP indicated to me, but it has it fairness changed over the course of the thread. It’s seems here it was a no from the start. 🤷‍♀️

PotolKimchi · 19/05/2025 06:26

He’s allowed to say he doesn’t want to spend ten days in a cottage. You are allowed to say look X works for us, Y doesn’t. There is no big drama here.

I think this trip is huge for you. You have had a life changing illness, a sick child, this trip is costing a lot of money, there is a sick relative involved, you don’t know when you will come again. The stakes are high for you but they are not for him. It doesn’t make him a bad brother or a horrible person.

Smoronic · 19/05/2025 06:26

The thing I'm most confused about is why you don't stay for longer? DH returns earlier and you bring the DC back after another week?

nomas · 19/05/2025 06:26

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:22

I don't get why you don't get that just because he travels there on other occasions this time it doesn't work for him. I honestly don't understand why this is so confusing for you. If it helps I have a similar situation all the time with my family, albeit a smaller distance where they travel to the city we are in and expect me to meet them at my parents (so they don't need to travel more) which is out of my way. Because I go there fairly regularly, usually one or twice a fortnight, they don't understand that sometimes it doesn't suit me. I usually feel guilty and do it it anyway, but as I get older it's starting to piss me off. Maybe he's the same. Or maybe it's not. Best not to make assumptions, but that if he doesn't want to male the extra trip then just accept that. Out of curiosity, how many hours will he have to travel to meet you in London and what's the approximate cost?

I don’t get why you don’t get that these dates were suggested a year in advance and he agreed to them?