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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

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everythingthelighttouches · 19/05/2025 06:51

OP, I mean this kindly,but I think there is something being unsaid on your part here. You just hint at it in your OP.

I think your main problem here is that although you haven’t been back for a while and you have had some pretty traumatic experiences in the last few years, and have very young children, your DH is only able to take 2 weeks off, despite being self-employed and this being planned so well in advance.

It sounds like you are very keen to see all your family and them to see you. Your brother is even flying in himself, which is probably a very long trip door-to-door?

You don’t mention your DH’s family, are they from the U.K. too?

I have quite a lot of friends and family in Aus and I don’t know anyone who has come back for as little as 10 days with kids. 10 days puts enormous pressure on what is already extremely precious time with your family.

I don’t think you would be having these difficult considerations with your brother if it wasn’t for the time pressure.

Perhaps if you have a heart to heart with your brother on the phone, explain that you really would have liked to have spent longer, that this is out of your control and it would mean so much to you if he could put himself out this extra bit, he might change his mind?

IwasDueANameChange · 19/05/2025 06:51

it sounds like you are the rigid one expecting your brother to fall in with your plans. I agree with this poster. Just because you emigrated doesn't mean people have to fall in place to suit you on your visits back. It's a price of emigrating I've seen a few 'caught out' by. The world keeps turning for other people's lives too not just the emigres.

This. Dsil emigrated to oz and honestly its a real pain. Its so bloody far away that every trip home is a marathon event where she expects us all to be available, the jetlag is horrible. Its hard for her to understand that our lives have gone on here without her and perhaps we aren't free or don't want to spend valuable annual leave doing whatever it is she has planned. The whole visiting thing is also really awkward, she clearly doesn't understand at all why we aren't all desperate to visit them, and can't seem to grasp that:

  • it costs a fortune to fly a family of four
  • the times of year we'd have to go don't work for our jobs or the children's school holidays
  • we cannot face travelling at christmas with jetlagged children
  • we aren't especially interested in holidays in Australia

When you choose to emigrate (its always a choice, your DH could have got a different job here) you are essentially choosing to leave family behind and lose those relationships to degree.

Plum02 · 19/05/2025 06:50

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:45

What? My family and friend group are in my hometown. We are going to see them? 😆 We are flying from Australia with drives either way to get there. And that isn’t traveling to see anyone? My brothers country would be another flight from London, we don’t have the time and my kids will already be jet lagged. This isn’t the trip for us to go visit him in his country.

You’re visiting your hometown because that suits you because it’s where most of your family and friends are. When someone comes to visit you they are specifically making an effort to come and see you personally, presumably arranged at a time that suits you - can you not see the difference?

You’re complaining that when people visit you you make the effort to take time off work but that your DB won’t travel to your hometown to meet you. Yet he’s already flying in from abroad - you’re making zero effort to see him.

You sound extremely self absorbed.

Dreambouse · 19/05/2025 06:50

Wow some of these replies seem super harsh and not sure why?!

OP you're travelling a long way with small children and for a fairly short amount of time, it's not unreasonable to be hesitant to commit to meeting at Heathrow as even when you land/before take off it takes planning. If he won't budge then obviously up to you, I personally would view it as he's not too bothered for whatever reason and just leave the offer of meeting in your hometown. Maybe ask about the driving though or if there's another reason.

Enjoy your trip back with your family :)

Coconutter24 · 19/05/2025 06:50

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:58

And this is why I’m annoyed he won’t come home when we are there? I don’t really see your point I’m afraid.

Why didn’t you plan to go on one of those multiple times he is already there?

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:50

Secretsquirels · 19/05/2025 06:47

I know that you’ve said they’re child free by choice, but is there a possibility that she’s pregnant? Trying to do an international fly-in fly-out trip in one day on his own sounds either like your brother is trying to limit costs or like he is trying to limit time away from his partner. Is she perhaps not wanting to fly at that time? Possibly for good reason?

Id have a look at the closest regional airport to your parents and see if there are flight in/out from where your brother lives which would suit a day out. Or id do the Heathrow hotel plan.

She physically cannot be pregnant. They are not pregnant or trying to conceive. She actually is going to come with him and go to central London for work if she can and the times work out. I should have added that sooner! That’s when we thought oh she isn’t that fussed about seeing us then 😆 which was a bit of a surprise

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askmenow · 19/05/2025 06:49

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:36

Nothing has changed, you’re right. From the start he said can we meet in London.

My answer before was to you ! But you’re wrong a lot has changed for the a-holes sis.

Shes had life changing events and is now disabled as well as having two tired young children she’d be dragging down to London.

He’s a dick!

Secretsquirels · 19/05/2025 06:47

I know that you’ve said they’re child free by choice, but is there a possibility that she’s pregnant? Trying to do an international fly-in fly-out trip in one day on his own sounds either like your brother is trying to limit costs or like he is trying to limit time away from his partner. Is she perhaps not wanting to fly at that time? Possibly for good reason?

Id have a look at the closest regional airport to your parents and see if there are flight in/out from where your brother lives which would suit a day out. Or id do the Heathrow hotel plan.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:47

saraclara · 19/05/2025 06:45

He has at least one, if not two nephews/nieces that he hasn't met. The whole point of travelling from Australia is surely to connect with family. Why on earth would OP meet him alone and leave it even longer for her children to meet their uncle?

Thank you! The point is for my children to meet everyone as it may be a little while before we can afford to come back again. Will try not to leave it so long again but as we found before, life has a tendency to get in the way.

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dunroamingfornow · 19/05/2025 06:46

Pigsears · 19/05/2025 06:00

Maybe he doesn't want to commit to it now because he can't plan that far ahead... Maybe his wife is newly pregnant for example so wants to leave things open? It's a long way off so you don't need to fix plans right now ?

I wondered this and/ or fertility issues so not wanting to stay with extended family ?

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:46

saraclara · 19/05/2025 06:45

He has at least one, if not two nephews/nieces that he hasn't met. The whole point of travelling from Australia is surely to connect with family. Why on earth would OP meet him alone and leave it even longer for her children to meet their uncle?

Because she’s concerned that something is going on? That may not be able to be discussed with young children and partners there? She’s said that many times through this post.

HoppingPavlova · 19/05/2025 06:46

We will have to cut a day off our paid for holiday let and time to see other friends/family and pay for a Heathrow hotel as our flight leaving London is 11.30 in the morning so I’m going to let him know all that and see if he changes his mind or not

That makes little sense. You say it’s a 4hr drive from Heathrow to where your family is meeting up? And your flight is 11.30am. So, you’d be wanting to get to Heathrow a few hours before to allow security etc, so you’d be leaving the holiday place around 4am (ish), 5 at an absolute pinch. That’s yourself, DH up, kids up, all ready, packed, fed, in car by 4-5am? With young kids? Common sense says you would stay at Heathrow the night before surely to avoid such an early morning debacle? That’s likely why he thought you’d be around Heathrow. Telling him he is making you stay for the night would be perplexing as for this situation that would have been a base assumption.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:45

Plum02 · 19/05/2025 06:43

I’m sure if you went and visited your DB he’d also take time off work to spend with you. But you’re not making the effort to visit anyone, you’re going to your hometown and expecting everyone else to make the effort to visit you…

And I have lived abroad in two different countries - odd assumption that because people disagree with you they must never have lived away from family.

What? My family and friend group are in my hometown. We are going to see them? 😆 We are flying from Australia with drives either way to get there. And that isn’t traveling to see anyone? My brothers country would be another flight from London, we don’t have the time and my kids will already be jet lagged. This isn’t the trip for us to go visit him in his country.

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MiniPantherOwner · 19/05/2025 06:45

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:22

This may be it! If he will hop in a taxi this may be the plan that makes the most sense of he wants to fly in and back out again! Thank you! Now we have to hope he can find flights that line up 😆 We can be somewhat flexible with what time we leave to get to Heathrow but the earliest we can check in to our room is 4pm so hopefully he can find a late flight back out again

Even if you can't check in until 4 I'm sure the hotel will have somewhere to store your bags for you. Just leave first thing in the morning and spend as much of the day as you can with your brother. From his point of view he's flying 2 hrs each way just to see you and obviously doesn't fancy several more hours of driving on top when, for whatever reason, he doesn't want to stay in the holiday cottage. Could he find one of your relatives difficult to spend extended time with? It can be hard being stuck in a cottage with someone you struggle with.

saraclara · 19/05/2025 06:45

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:42

Why don’t you take a day out of your holiday, meet him in london alone and talk to him? If you think that it’s more than he is being lazy?

He has at least one, if not two nephews/nieces that he hasn't met. The whole point of travelling from Australia is surely to connect with family. Why on earth would OP meet him alone and leave it even longer for her children to meet their uncle?

IAmUsingTheApplauseReactionSarcastically · 19/05/2025 06:44

Twilightstarbright · 19/05/2025 06:30

@JIMER202 there is a place called Hobbledown Heath a stones throw from Heathrow. Go there earlier in the day, and your partner can take your kids around it which you and your brother have a catch up in the cafe or in the cafe of the golf place next door. HH is the perfect place for kids the same age as yours.

Similar but not identical- we used to live abroad and so did DH’s sister. Lots of being told we should fly to them, fly on dates that suited them etc but it wasn’t always as simple as that. It’s the reality of moving abroad.

I was going to suggest same but Kew Gardens. If luggage is an issue: leave it in the car (if you have one); the hotel can store it even if your room isn’t ready; or according to the Bounce website there’s a dry cleaners nearby that has a sideline in luggage storage.

Koalafan · 19/05/2025 06:44

Don't take this the wrong way OP, but if they genuinely are 'happily childfree' then maybe he/they don't want to be cooped up in a holiday cottage with children, even a if he is related to them. Alternatively, they are desperately TTC (but keeping it quiet) and it would be too painful?

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:43

Also my brothers country is not on the route so a stopover there isn’t an option. I did first of all check that option.

They are childfree by choice and both in their late 40s and not ttc. They took measures to not have children, again without getting too much into their personal business. They both like children and travel back to see other nieces/ nephews a lot. My brother takes a big interest in my children too so I don’t think there’s an issue there (hopefully) just that he wants to do the flight in and out as it’s easier and his wife has probably said she cba to come! Which is not something I really thought of as we tend to do things as family unit, but I know not all couples are the same. He makes a ton of effort with his in laws.

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Plum02 · 19/05/2025 06:43

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:13

Some posters are saying it’s my fault for emigrating. I had to for my partners work. Again we checked dates with everyone and they got agreed upon, as did the holiday let plan, and this is our first visit home so we aren’t expecting anyone to put things on hold, just to hopefully get to see them. When we have visitors we book leave off work to see them. There’s some vitriol on here about people that emigrate and I don’t really understand it honestly. Because I moved I should have to travel to see everyone when we come back? Unless you’ve lived away from family it’s hard to explain. When we have visitors we take time to spend with them.

I’m sure if you went and visited your DB he’d also take time off work to spend with you. But you’re not making the effort to visit anyone, you’re going to your hometown and expecting everyone else to make the effort to visit you…

And I have lived abroad in two different countries - odd assumption that because people disagree with you they must never have lived away from family.

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:42

Why don’t you take a day out of your holiday, meet him in london alone and talk to him? If you think that it’s more than he is being lazy?

Doggymummar · 19/05/2025 06:42

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:40

Not from where we are coming from in Australia unfortunately.

That's nonsense. I don't think you are trying very hard to accommodate him. You can get to Australia from anywhere in Europe. Speak to a travel agent, tickets can have multiple stopovers in multiple countries

Pickled21 · 19/05/2025 06:41

You are getting a mumsnet pile on and I can't see that it is justified. You emigrated, that isn't a sin! Your brother did too and he does this particular journey several times a year. Considering you checked the dates beforehand I don't understand why he's sticking to such a strict timeline of trying to fly in and out on the same day. He's changed the goalposts here, not you or at the very least not communicated his intentions well.I'd ask him this.

If your kids are anything like mine were at that age it takes time for them to warm to people and they wouldn't just go to their uncle for cuddles straight off the bat. This means whilst you might see him at the airport it will literally be a meal and then him dashing off so no quality time spent.

You sound understandably hurt that he can't or won't spend time with you in the way he does his wife's family or your own parents. I'd be hurt too. There does sound like there is something going on and I'd be upfront and honest and ask why he can't spare you more than a few hours? I'd also be inclined to say that if it doesn't really work for either of you so you can just wait and do a meet another time instead do regular watsapp video calls (if you don't already). I think there is something going on. I dont know what the dynamic between you two is like though. I'm the eldest sibling and have quite an open relationship with my siblings so I'd be direct and ask. Not sure if you'd find that as easy?

Nesbi · 19/05/2025 06:40

I don’t quite understand how agreeing to travel to an airport, fly 2 hours to another country to see someone, then do the whole thing in reverse at his cost is “making no effort”!

That all sits very much at the “making loads of effort” end of the spectrum from my point of view! It’s not like he is refusing to pop out to his local for a quick pint!

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:40

Doggymummar · 19/05/2025 06:38

UK isnt that big, isn't there an airport nearer to your family you could fly to that cuts down travel time? A four hour drive after that flight will not be particularly safe. You could also fly via you brothers country. Stop with him for a few days to break the journey and arrive in the UK more refreshed. I think it's a really big ask having everyone take ten days off work to see you. Particularly cooped up in a place that's not their own. I wouldn't like it, and I wouldn't do it.

Not from where we are coming from in Australia unfortunately.

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Emanresuunknown · 19/05/2025 06:40

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:13

I did wonder this but he’s got 2 upcoming trips planned! I’m starting to wonder if it’s because he doesn’t want to travel to see us alone as when we spoke it didn’t seem like his wife is bothered about seeing us which is also confusing as we have always all got on well. There’s genuinely no drama there, no fall outs. I do think they are probably getting fed up of each time they fly back to the UK they have to travel to see everyone and hire a car etc, but they are doing it for upcoming trips. We won’t be back again for another several years as it costs so much and is a big journey. I’m hoping he may tell me what the real hang up on traveling to see us is.

Have you ever visited him in his (now) home country? Or do you just always come to the UK and base yourself around parents?

Maybe he feels nobody makes an effort to visit him.