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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

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Kelvinator1 · 19/05/2025 07:46

I get you OP. Similar situation but we don't live in either mine or my husbands country - we didn't emigrate by choice, it was jobs and in an ideal world we wouldn't live where we do - and our fanilies know that. We make all the effort going back to visit both sides of family - the money, the time off work, the delicate planning to see everyone enough, not upset anyone, also enjoy ourselves & not return to work exhausted because both trips require long flights and big drives in hire cars . I will say though that in this situation we are the 40's childfree couple who tend to get treated like we have endless time/money/drive to do stuff & very little appreciation of the effort we do put in to keep the family relationships going. So - while it sucks, I feel your pain & i'd too be hurt by your brother changing his mind after you have tried your best to plan/accomodate, he is still making an effort so try meet him halfway.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:45

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 19/05/2025 07:40

OP I agreed with you first. But then I saw you accuse a poster of “attacking your DH” when they really didn’t. Is there some history here we don’t know about? Do you often get over defensive?

No I just find anyone saying it’s odd my partner can’t take more than 2 weeks off a bit much. I guess the history would be I now am disabled and so I do need my husbands help in order to make this trip work as my children are so young. So I probably am defensive of him and this is probably why I am annoyed by the situation. I’m having another surgery soon and we have no family help out here so I feel like im putting a lot on my husband and he doesn’t understand the situation with my brother but it’s causing me a lot of stress. I’ve text my brother saying we can’t do central London but can we meet halfway or at Heathrow the night before we fly out and we will change our plans accordingly. My brother hasn’t seen me since my accident and so I don’t think he realises things are harder for me now. Getting the tube with 2 kids isn’t something I could manage as easily as I would have before. My mum is going to gently speak to him too and check everything is ok with him and his wife and that it is just that they want to fly in and out. I know my grandparents can be a bit testy in their old age so if anything it may be that. Not being home for years does mean I don’t always know the little ins and ours of what’s gone on with everyone.

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AlmostCutMyHairToday · 19/05/2025 07:45

Could you just meet him in central London on your own?

CutFlowers · 19/05/2025 07:45

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:37

He’s wanting to fly in/out is why he would need to find out if flights are possible with the timings we need too

My point was that you could easily arrive before 4pm to accommodate his need to fly in and out. I don't understand why you wouldn't have suggested this. Much easier for him to fly in on a morning flight and out on an evening flight.

Pricelessadvice · 19/05/2025 07:44

Kindly, the world doesn’t revolve around you and your children. I think meeting at Heathrow is going to have to be your option.

MeridianB · 19/05/2025 07:43

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:15

He said it was that and that he sees our family so often he wasnt bothered about coming to see everyone in the family and I did say no but we are going to be there, that is the main reason for you to come.

So I'd take this as 'can't be arsed/you and your kids are not worth the extra effort/expense to come from Heathrow to hometown' which is really horrible when you see each other so infrequently.

Only you know how he will react if you say "OK, I understand, but we won't be able to make it this time". Will it trigger him to do the right thing (but resent it) or cancel his trip and start a feud?

NotmeMother · 19/05/2025 07:42

I think your brother is being a selfish arse OP. This is booked a year in advance and he can't make it over to meet his family that he hasn't seen in 4 years!

I'd tell him the plans you have and if he can't be bothered to see you then hey ho, you know where you stand. I wouldn't be arranging to fit in with his plans at all.

everythingthelighttouches · 19/05/2025 07:42

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:40

I’m trying to explain myself for some reason. I’ve said to my brother we can’t do central London but can we meet halfway OR try and do Heathrow in the afternoon and I will change the plans I had that day to try and accommodate him

Hopefully you can meet in the hotel you are already staying in at Heathrow, and all you have to do is leave a couple of hours earlier than you would have done.

PickleJelly · 19/05/2025 07:42

I can understand why you are disappointed that he won't make the journey now after saying he would. For that, I don't think you are being unreasonable.
If it was me, I would just do what works best for my family given the relatively short duration of the trip and the young age of your children, and if that means you don't get to see your brother, then it is what it is.
If you are desperate to see him, then it sounds like meeting at Heathrow the night before you fly home is the only option. If it helps, we stayed at Heathrow before a flight with our two year a few months ago and he loved it!
This is one the difficulties that come from living abroad, you can go so long without the opportunity to see loved ones, and even when the opportunity does arise, it doesn't always work for everyone. My brother lives abroad (Australia too), and he has the same thing. I know he really struggles with it. So I do feel for you, it must be hard.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:40

Hollietree · 19/05/2025 07:30

All of your messages are “but me me me, woe is me” Quite angry and defensive in tone. Every time someone kindly tries to offer you a suggestion/compromise/solution - you reply bluntly no…. and here’s my excuse as to why it has to be all my way.

I suggest you read all of your messages back yourself and really look at what you are saying and how it reads to someone else. I don’t imagine you are doing it on purpose, but it might help you to read them back subjectively and imagine they were written by someone else. It might help you understand how you come across to others (particularly your brother, if you are responding to him in the same way).

I’m trying to explain myself for some reason. I’ve said to my brother we can’t do central London but can we meet halfway OR try and do Heathrow in the afternoon and I will change the plans I had that day to try and accommodate him

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Peaceandquietandacuppa · 19/05/2025 07:40

OP I agreed with you first. But then I saw you accuse a poster of “attacking your DH” when they really didn’t. Is there some history here we don’t know about? Do you often get over defensive?

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 07:39

You probably won’t like this op, but you are just not relevant to his life anymore. You have created a whole new life the other side of the world. Your family haven’t been prioritised at all. They have probably been through a whole grieving process, and have missed all of the key moments they could have shared with you.

I don’t think you are looking at this from their point of view at all. It was your decision to move so far away, and they have their own lives and priorities now.

I understand you have given them notice you are coming, and have set it up to be as easy as possible for you, but people have their own issues and life to deal with, and can’t always just fit in, and respectfully not should you expect them to. He has offered to fly here to see which in itself is a huge undertaking. I would meet him for lunch at LHR as he suggested and be glad to see him at all.

The world does not revolve around your choices op. I say that kindly.

SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 07:39

I wouldn’t be cutting short my time with grandparents I know I’ll never see again for a quick lunch with a brother who can’t be arsed to step outside an airport terminal for more than a couple of hours to meet me and my DC after I travelled halfway round the world. Stop tying yourself in knots to accommodate him, he’s being incredibly selfish. Tell him Heathrow won’t work and if he’s really adamant that with a year’s notice he can’t come to your hometown then tell him you’ll see him next time you are over. Put the ball in his court and leave it there.

KidsDoBetter · 19/05/2025 07:39

People are being so weird on here about this. My sis emigrated to aus and has one small child. When she is home I fit in around her. It’s not that deep.

My kids are grown and I am much more able to go wherever - and I haven’t just flown half way round the world! Sheesh.

In fact her first trip back after she had her baby (FTM) I counselled her to do as you are doing @JIMER202 - but she hiked about with that baby round the UK and it nearly killed her 😂. Next year they stayed put and let people come to them. V easy.

All this “you chose to emigrate” is utterly bizarre.

Diarygirlqueen · 19/05/2025 07:38

I think most of these responses are ridiculous.
You have given your brother a year in advance notice that you're coming, a place he travels to twice yearly.
Its obvious from some of these replies that they've never travelled from Australia especially with young children! The jetlag is horrendous.
Your brother should be making more of an effort. I would be really hurt.
Personally, I would just say that's fine he can't meet up and hope to see you the next time we visit. Spend time with your parents and grandparents and don't let this derail your visit. Facetime him etc when you get there.
Trying to accommodate meeting him will spoil your trip and don't underestimate how exhausted you will be!

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:37

CutFlowers · 19/05/2025 07:33

I would meet your brother for lunch near Heathrow and then check into your hotel afterwards (at 4pm). You could probably meet at the hotel restaurant for lunch. All this he will have to find flights that fit in with us arriving after 4pm and get home on the same day is very strange. You don't seem to want to make any effort to see him at all.

He’s wanting to fly in/out is why he would need to find out if flights are possible with the timings we need too

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everythingthelighttouches · 19/05/2025 07:37

If you are going to Heathrow the afternoon/evening before you fly back anyway and he is proposing meeting you at Heathrow, is there really any problem here at all?

Can’t you just meet in your hotel?

You could just aim to get there for 2pm not 4pm?

Someonelookedatmypostinghistorysoichanged · 19/05/2025 07:37

Yabu - big family gatherings limited conversation because everyone speaks at once and you can’t really talk that much ime. You mention “oh but the children” so so many times, you travel all the way across the globe and then moan at a couple of hours! Sounds like he wants to spend quality time with you, and not the bundle of people in one house.

Peacepleaselouise · 19/05/2025 07:36

Sorry DB, we aren’t able to do any more travelling as it’s such a long journey from Australia already. We would really love to see you at the holiday cottage in [location] but we understand if that’s not possible for you. Much love, DS

Blessthismess2 · 19/05/2025 07:35

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:08

2 weeks off work is a considerable chunk of time for most employers. I don’t think attacking my partner is necessary.

She didn’t attack your partner! She pointed out that people have different life circumstances and priorities!

I thought you were being reasonable at first but now I think you are being really unreasonable based on your responses to a lot of valid points raised on this thread. You don’t seem to be able to see anything beyond your own point of view. Of course your perspective makes sense from your point of view, but you are only looking at your brother’s circumstances from the outside “he does this several times a year, for others etc”.

Your brother is flying all the way to UK just to see you and your family . Thats significant travel investment and expense. Thats so lovely. Stop making all these assumptions and judgements about what extra he can and should be doing so easily, he’s already committing a lot just to see you.

Totally understandable that London doesn’t work for your family , and it sounds like Heathrow may not either. You have to figure out what your priorities are here, and make your decisions.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 19/05/2025 07:35

Hi brother, I appreciate that you don’t want to keep coming back home as it’s a longer journey. Could you not change the dates of one of your other trips home, so it’s not an extra visit? Especially as we have the holiday let this time? Unfortunately due to DH work we have very limited time for this trip and would like as much time with the grandparents as possible. If it doesn’t work for you this time then no worries.

CutFlowers · 19/05/2025 07:33

I would meet your brother for lunch near Heathrow and then check into your hotel afterwards (at 4pm). You could probably meet at the hotel restaurant for lunch. All this he will have to find flights that fit in with us arriving after 4pm and get home on the same day is very strange. You don't seem to want to make any effort to see him at all.

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 07:32

Hollietree · 19/05/2025 07:30

All of your messages are “but me me me, woe is me” Quite angry and defensive in tone. Every time someone kindly tries to offer you a suggestion/compromise/solution - you reply bluntly no…. and here’s my excuse as to why it has to be all my way.

I suggest you read all of your messages back yourself and really look at what you are saying and how it reads to someone else. I don’t imagine you are doing it on purpose, but it might help you to read them back subjectively and imagine they were written by someone else. It might help you understand how you come across to others (particularly your brother, if you are responding to him in the same way).

💯

FrenchandSaunders · 19/05/2025 07:32

10 days in a holiday cottage with parents and grandparents is a lot!

I’d be quite pleased to break it up with a trip to London.

Hollietree · 19/05/2025 07:30

All of your messages are “but me me me, woe is me” Quite angry and defensive in tone. Every time someone kindly tries to offer you a suggestion/compromise/solution - you reply bluntly no…. and here’s my excuse as to why it has to be all my way.

I suggest you read all of your messages back yourself and really look at what you are saying and how it reads to someone else. I don’t imagine you are doing it on purpose, but it might help you to read them back subjectively and imagine they were written by someone else. It might help you understand how you come across to others (particularly your brother, if you are responding to him in the same way).

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