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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

OP posts:
Macaroni46 · 19/05/2025 08:03

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:47

I already said why. Because it will be the last time seeing my grandfather and I was hoping to see him for as long as possible. We will change plans for my brother to a certain extent but I don’t plan on leaving before my grandad is awake and we get to spend the morning with him. I likely won’t ever see him again.

Now you’re just being stubborn for the sake of it! You’ll have seen him for the best part of 2 weeks. Saying goodbye the night before or in the morning is neither here nor there.
You’re just not willing to compromise.

Kaftanesque · 19/05/2025 08:02

I understand you not wanting to cut short your time with parents and granddad but leaving at lunchtime the day before wont make so much difference surely?Checking into a hotel at Heathrow the night before and catching up with your brother would be ideal and way more relaxing as and end to your holiday. Your brother sees your parents more regularly anyway. It's you he wants to see.And not being awful but if your life is now in Aus the reality is he will probably be the one flying in and out more as your parents age and get frailer if he remains a shorter distance away .So perhaps let this one go this time. Maybe next visit will be longer and you will all get to spend time together.

Blessthismess2 · 19/05/2025 08:02

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:45

No I just find anyone saying it’s odd my partner can’t take more than 2 weeks off a bit much. I guess the history would be I now am disabled and so I do need my husbands help in order to make this trip work as my children are so young. So I probably am defensive of him and this is probably why I am annoyed by the situation. I’m having another surgery soon and we have no family help out here so I feel like im putting a lot on my husband and he doesn’t understand the situation with my brother but it’s causing me a lot of stress. I’ve text my brother saying we can’t do central London but can we meet halfway or at Heathrow the night before we fly out and we will change our plans accordingly. My brother hasn’t seen me since my accident and so I don’t think he realises things are harder for me now. Getting the tube with 2 kids isn’t something I could manage as easily as I would have before. My mum is going to gently speak to him too and check everything is ok with him and his wife and that it is just that they want to fly in and out. I know my grandparents can be a bit testy in their old age so if anything it may be that. Not being home for years does mean I don’t always know the little ins and ours of what’s gone on with everyone.

She didn’t say it was “odd”. You inserted the “odd”. She was pointing out that everyone has their own life circumstances and priorities. That includes the childfree OP.

Your brother is willing to take a two hour flight and back, just to see you are your family for the day. Thats lovely. Yes you can wish he could do more and be disappointed he can’t, but try to take a step back and see the bigger picture of the amount that he is committing to. And just to see you.

SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 08:02

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 08:00

You sound like a very difficult person op.

And you sound like a bully.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:02

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 08:00

You sound like a very difficult person op.

And you are thoroughly unpleasant.

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Yatuway · 19/05/2025 08:02

rookiemere · 19/05/2025 07:58

I suspect the issue his that definitely his DW and probably him don’t want to spend their annual leave in a small cottage crammed with relatives which - unlike you - they see fairly frequently. It’s a bit rough his DW won’t even take the day off work, but there you go. It’s maybe worth trying to talk to DB about it, but not as you have done here instantly getting defensive about the length of time you have and pitting your transatlantic marathon flight ( from the place you chose to live) with your DCs against DBs hop skip and jump flight apparently.

It sounds like both you and your DB are fairly rigid in your thinking, personally I would try to be the bigger person because it could be a very long time before you see him again. I would arrange to meet them at your Heathrow hotel at 4pm or earlier the day before you go. I think he wants quality time with your family, not to be one of 10 as it were. I get you feel you may be seeing elderly DGPs for the last time, but honestly after over a week in close quarters a change of scene may be no bad thing.

Agree with all this.

deadpantrashcan · 19/05/2025 08:02

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 04:38

My sister emigrated, every time she came home she expected everyone’s holiday plans to be around her.

We got “but I’ve travelled this far” and made to feel guilty that we wouldn’t fit in with plans that she wanted.

You’ve emigrated, one of the things is that you’re not going to see family so much. Your choice.

Your children are not too young to take on tubes etc and a 6 year old has plenty to do in London.

Lol this is so harsh. “You pissed off, deal with it.” Cold.

CyberStrider · 19/05/2025 08:01

I've met my sister and her kids for breakfast at Giraffe in Heathrow before they flew home to Australia. Yes, it would have been nicer to be elsewhere and have a bit longer but with busy schedules it's all we could manage.

TheInternetNeverForgets · 19/05/2025 08:01

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 07:59

But if you want to come home why don’t you plan to move back? I don’t understand why this is difficult for you if you miss your family daily. It just sounds like a poor me victim complex. If you want to move back, move back, you have free will.

Not really, if her husband doesn’t want to. What’s she supposed to do? Leave the kids behind?

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:01

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 07:59

But if you want to come home why don’t you plan to move back? I don’t understand why this is difficult for you if you miss your family daily. It just sounds like a poor me victim complex. If you want to move back, move back, you have free will.

Absolutely vicious. Yes it’s so easy to move from Australia back to the UK. Sell our home, get my husband all the immigration paperwork, buy a new house etc. We do plan to come back eventually but for various reasons can’t right now.

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SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 08:01

Schoolchoicesucks · 19/05/2025 07:57

This is telling - you don't want to "cut short" your holiday time with other family or pay for an overnight in London in order to accommodate seeing your brother who you haven't seen for 4 years.

You expect him to fly to London, hire a car, drive to the rural family location, be one of the crowd of family, drive back and fly back.

He travels several times a year to see family there - he doesn't feel the need to do that again at this point.

He wants to see you and is willing to fly over and stay in London.

You don't seem willing to meet him on those terms.

Agree with PP's than planning to do a drive from rural location several hours away to Heathrow to be there to check in by 9.30am the morning of will not be fun.

I wouldn't want to meet at Heathrow either. I would drive there the day before, return hire car, see if we could check cases in the day before and then go into Central London, meet brother and have a fun day in the parks or museums, show the kids Big Ben. Stay over in a cheap hotel and travel the short distance to Heathrow the next morning.

You have 8 days seeing family - can you spare one of those to see your brother?

Her grandfather has had a stroke and it’s the last time she’ll probably ever see him and whose funeral she would definitely miss. She’s not not seeing her brother in favour of some random distant cousin.

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 08:00

You sound like a very difficult person op.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:59

PhilippaGeorgiou · 19/05/2025 07:57

That's emotional blackmail. Look you came on here to ask for opinions, but actually every opinion that involves you changing anything about your plans is rejected as not suitable for you. But your brother isn't willing to be flexible? Sounds like it is you that isn't willing to budge an inch. Which is fine. If you want to stick to your plans then that's a reasonable choice, but you just accept that not everyone will want to fall in with your plans. Don't start with the "do as I say or I will be hurt" to get your own way.

And btw, making this all about you and your family, have you considered, for example, that there may be a reason why they don't have children and maybe, just maybe, the idea of spending time with family / children (and the often inevitable comments from others) isn't something they want?

You haven’t seen the multiple times I’ve said we are changing plans for him? If people don’t read the thread I don’t know why you comment. Some of the comments on here aren’t very nice either. THEY DIDNT WANT CHILDREN. I’m not going to keep saying it.

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SpunkySquid · 19/05/2025 07:59

Some really nasty people on here today. Who pissed on your cornflakes?

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 07:59

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:58

Jesus. What is the point of this other than to be unkind?

Ok thank you for letting me know that we don’t really have a family in the Uk anymore. I miss my family daily. I am well aware of the sacrifices of living abroad. It doesn’t make me or my children or my family any less loved. I speak to my family and friends back home every single day.

But if you want to come home why don’t you plan to move back? I don’t understand why this is difficult for you if you miss your family daily. It just sounds like a poor me victim complex. If you want to move back, move back, you have free will.

Angrygirl · 19/05/2025 07:58

This seems to have become a war of wills.

Id be frustrated too if my DB wouldn’t just come to the holiday let but that’s his prerogative.

I don’t understand though why you’re upset at needing to leave the holiday let maybe 6 hours earlier than planned to go to Heathrow and instead pushing to take a whole day away from the holiday let to meet him in Oxford. That somewhat weakens your argument to him.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:58

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 07:55

You are deceiving yourself if you do not believe that the distance is not impacting your relationships with your family, it very clearly is, as you have started this thread.

For a close relationship to form with your family it requires time, being there in times of difficulty and celebration. Chatting over tea, doing life and the mundane bits. It can’t be squeezed into a week in a holiday let - every few years.

I think you are deluding yourself about the impact of a long distance relationship with your family, and the consequences and sacrifices.

Jesus. What is the point of this other than to be unkind?

Ok thank you for letting me know that we don’t really have a family in the Uk anymore. I miss my family daily. I am well aware of the sacrifices of living abroad. It doesn’t make me or my children or my family any less loved. I speak to my family and friends back home every single day.

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rookiemere · 19/05/2025 07:58

I suspect the issue his that definitely his DW and probably him don’t want to spend their annual leave in a small cottage crammed with relatives which - unlike you - they see fairly frequently. It’s a bit rough his DW won’t even take the day off work, but there you go. It’s maybe worth trying to talk to DB about it, but not as you have done here instantly getting defensive about the length of time you have and pitting your transatlantic marathon flight ( from the place you chose to live) with your DCs against DBs hop skip and jump flight apparently.

It sounds like both you and your DB are fairly rigid in your thinking, personally I would try to be the bigger person because it could be a very long time before you see him again. I would arrange to meet them at your Heathrow hotel at 4pm or earlier the day before you go. I think he wants quality time with your family, not to be one of 10 as it were. I get you feel you may be seeing elderly DGPs for the last time, but honestly after over a week in close quarters a change of scene may be no bad thing.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 19/05/2025 07:57

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:29

This may be what we have to do. I think I’m going to have to voice that I don’t understand why they can come back to the UK and travel to see family but can’t this one time we will be there? It is hurtful.

That's emotional blackmail. Look you came on here to ask for opinions, but actually every opinion that involves you changing anything about your plans is rejected as not suitable for you. But your brother isn't willing to be flexible? Sounds like it is you that isn't willing to budge an inch. Which is fine. If you want to stick to your plans then that's a reasonable choice, but you just accept that not everyone will want to fall in with your plans. Don't start with the "do as I say or I will be hurt" to get your own way.

And btw, making this all about you and your family, have you considered, for example, that there may be a reason why they don't have children and maybe, just maybe, the idea of spending time with family / children (and the often inevitable comments from others) isn't something they want?

Schoolchoicesucks · 19/05/2025 07:57

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:52

Thank you this is helpful! We will have to cut a day off our paid for holiday let and time to see other friends/family and pay for a Heathrow hotel as our flight leaving London is 11.30 in the morning so I’m going to let him know all that and see if he changes his mind or not. If not then it’s helpful to know the options thank you!

This is telling - you don't want to "cut short" your holiday time with other family or pay for an overnight in London in order to accommodate seeing your brother who you haven't seen for 4 years.

You expect him to fly to London, hire a car, drive to the rural family location, be one of the crowd of family, drive back and fly back.

He travels several times a year to see family there - he doesn't feel the need to do that again at this point.

He wants to see you and is willing to fly over and stay in London.

You don't seem willing to meet him on those terms.

Agree with PP's than planning to do a drive from rural location several hours away to Heathrow to be there to check in by 9.30am the morning of will not be fun.

I wouldn't want to meet at Heathrow either. I would drive there the day before, return hire car, see if we could check cases in the day before and then go into Central London, meet brother and have a fun day in the parks or museums, show the kids Big Ben. Stay over in a cheap hotel and travel the short distance to Heathrow the next morning.

You have 8 days seeing family - can you spare one of those to see your brother?

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 07:57

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:56

Thank you! I didn’t have much of a choice really. And it’s honestly caused a lot of friction between us because I would love to move home but that isn’t in the cards for us (right now at least). It was so challenging having my accident and my premature baby so far from home and I struggled badly postpartum without friends and family around me. My children need their Dad more than I need to like in the UK and so that’s the choice I’ve made for now. But it’s hard. I miss them all daily and we speak daily too! I do love my brother a lot. The idea my children aren’t close with anyone or liked as much isn’t true thankfully, my family do put in huge effort with me to build those bonds over the phone and video calls.

Why can’t your dh get a job here, the jobs market is booming.

vivainsomnia · 19/05/2025 07:57

I did wonder this but he’s got 2 upcoming trips planned!
When? Maybe it's only a couple of weeks later, so he is not overly keen to do it twice in a short time. If he is willing to fly in just to see you and the children, meeting in London seems a good compromise.

Ultimately, maybe he thinks that you could have made a stop where he lives and stayed at his, which wouldn't be unreasonable either.

WhatWouldTheDoctorDo · 19/05/2025 07:57

I’d be annoyed and a bit baffled too OP.

i would say something along the lines of…. ‘Look, it’s a year away, I really hope you change your mind and come to the holiday cottage so we can have a few days with you. With xxx’s health, it could be the last time mum and dad get us all together as a family and it’s a shame not to take that opportunity. And I’d love the kids to meet auntie xxx if things change and she’s free to come to the holiday cottage. Also, if you fly in and out in a day I’d hate if any last minute disruptions or delays meant we wouldn’t see you. But if that doesn’t suit we could…

  • get to Heathrow earlier, maybe meet at the child friendly place a PP mentioned or dump your car and bags (even if you can’t get into your room, you’ll be able to store luggage), or even get the Heathrow express into London. It’d be a bit of an adventure for the kids.
  • you could ask if he and SIL could stay overnight at Heathrow if flights don’t work for day trip, again, meet mid afternoon at family friendly place PP mentioned, then go back to hotel and chill out there for a bit. Maybe your partner could put them to bed letting you have a bit longer with your brother over a drink or two?
JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:56

SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 07:53

God there are some nasty commentators on here. Telling OP she doesn’t care about her family because she moved abroad for her DH’s job? That’s cruel.

Thank you! I didn’t have much of a choice really. And it’s honestly caused a lot of friction between us because I would love to move home but that isn’t in the cards for us (right now at least). It was so challenging having my accident and my premature baby so far from home and I struggled badly postpartum without friends and family around me. My children need their Dad more than I need to like in the UK and so that’s the choice I’ve made for now. But it’s hard. I miss them all daily and we speak daily too! I do love my brother a lot. The idea my children aren’t close with anyone or liked as much isn’t true thankfully, my family do put in huge effort with me to build those bonds over the phone and video calls.

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Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 07:55

You are deceiving yourself if you do not believe that the distance is not impacting your relationships with your family, it very clearly is, as you have started this thread.

For a close relationship to form with your family it requires time, being there in times of difficulty and celebration. Chatting over tea, doing life and the mundane bits. It can’t be squeezed into a week in a holiday let - every few years.

I think you are deluding yourself about the impact of a long distance relationship with your family, and the consequences and sacrifices.