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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:14

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 08:08

There is a back story to this thread that we are not seeing. Op seems to be saying she wants to move back home, and misses her family terribly. It is easy enough to relocate, millions of people do, so why are they still there?

It seems to me that you are staying there to keep your dh happy. This is costing you personally a great deal.

My husband’s career is here for which he’s locked in to a contract and he is not British. I just finished the Australian citizenship. I would like to come back home but it definitely isn’t easy. It’s fair to say I didn’t actually comprehend what I was getting in to when we got married and had a baby and moved but I do like my husband and would like my family to stay together. He can’t move right now and I don’t want to move back without him.

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Butterbly · 19/05/2025 08:13

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:09

The compromise will be going to meet my brother at Heathrow. It will be the last time I see my grandparents. If you can’t have empathy for that I don’t have anything else to add I guess.

Can't you see though that you aren't meeting brother half way effort wise

You're brother is willing to fly in just to see you. That's a lot of effort! I can completely see why he doesn't want to tack several hours more driving and a nights stay on

You have an option of leaving a few hours earlier to somewhere you were already going. That seems like an amazing solution!

You've clearly decided he has to come to the cottage because that's what you've decided and he either complies or you'll emotionally twist the situation to him being hurtful, not caring enough or trying to deprive you of time with grandparents. Accusing people suggesting you leave your grandparents earlier of lacking emotional empathy and going on about it being a last visit etc is a warning sign to me about how you'll handle these conversations with your brother

As the sibling in the country, if my sister who hasn't seen my grandparents starting using some of the wording you are it will kill our relationship. If you are desperate to see your grandparents because you think they are very sick, then it doesnt allign with a visit in a year.

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 08:13

Op this is obviously very distressing for you. You do sound like you love and care for your family, but you ended up in Australia it seems, without really considering what would happen there. The longer you stay there, the more settled your children are likely to be, and you will never come home.

I am going to suggest you have counselling with a registered therapist and talk through all of this.

It isn’t just your brother - there is a raw pain I can hear in your posts. A suffering and a huge unprocessed loss. I don’t think you would have chosen the life you have now, and this is sitting underneath it all. That’s why you are having such a reaction to your brother’s reasonable suggestions, because for you this trip means everything.

Your parents and grandparents adore you, and this is a loss for everyone. This trip has taken on such meaning.

MamaorBruh · 19/05/2025 08:12

I haven't read the full thread so apologies if this has been mentioned but why not suggest to your brother that he flies in the day before you leave, you both stay overnight at Heathrow and then both fly out the next day.
That way, no need to rush for a 4pm meet - you could get there at say 6pm and all have a nice dinner and few drinks in the hotel
Also, I understand what you are saying about it being the last time seeing Grandparents but you can't guarantee that of anyone. My brother died suddenly this year and I'd never have known seeing him before that would be my last time.
You'll have had good quality time with your Grandparents, make time for your brother too - it's really no different to losing the hours with them to meet him somewhere else. It's just at the end of the holidays and not the middle.

Jewelanemone · 19/05/2025 08:12

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:09

The compromise will be going to meet my brother at Heathrow. It will be the last time I see my grandparents. If you can’t have empathy for that I don’t have anything else to add I guess.

What's wrong with saying goodbye the night before? A couple of hours the next morning isn't going to make any difference, especially as you'll be flapping around packing the car, feeding your kids, saying goodbye to everyone else etc.

MissMashed · 19/05/2025 08:12

I think the core issue is that neither of you want to see each other enough to justify the hassle and upheaval. If you really wanted to see each other, you would move mountains to make it happen.

That is not a criticism of either of you, just a reflection of the dynamic that is there. I feel that ultimately these are all excuses which could be overcome by both of you if you really and desperately wanted to see each other again. That’s life, and relationships change. It is sad but it often happens with both friends and family.

Macaroni46 · 19/05/2025 08:12

SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 08:07

It’ll be the last time she probably ever see her granddad and you think it’s a bad thing she wants to spend every possible second with him?

If he’s that ill why isn’t she coming until next year?
Plus a few hours won’t make any difference. She’s going back to Oz anyway.

Theworldisinyourhands · 19/05/2025 08:11

OP you have decided to move half way across the world. You need to fit in with others not visa versa. If you don't want to meet brother in the way he's proposing then you have to accept that then you won't be seeing brother for a few years. Another option might be to have an extra week or so in the UK and book separate flights home for you and your kids so that you have more time to do other things. Yes it might be a challenging flight home but it will at least mean you have more quality time with your relatives. Ultimately this is your decision. Emmigrating isn't wrong at all but it does kindof send the message to the people you love that you're not bothered how much you see of them so you can't really complain if they reciprocate that feeling.

Blessthismess2 · 19/05/2025 08:11

AthWat · 19/05/2025 08:09

"Can't be arsed to do more than x" simply means that's the extent to which he is willing to put himself out. He's been clear on that, as far as I can see.

Yes I get it. I just thought it was a ridiculously “glass half empty” way to frame it, and not helpful for the state of mind OP is in.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:11

Macaroni46 · 19/05/2025 08:09

You can say the proper goodbye the evening before. You’re deliberately being inflexible on this.
Also, he’s so ill you’re counting every hour with him yet you’re not coming until next year? Which is it?
Just leave the holiday let in the morning and meet your brother for lunch or dinner. Job done.

Oh Jesus seriously? If you actually read the thread I am having surgery again and can’t travel until next year. You’re just being spiteful and I cant help that. It’s not inflexible. We are changing plans for my brother if you read the comments.

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AthWat · 19/05/2025 08:09

Blessthismess2 · 19/05/2025 08:08

If he can't be arsed to do more than fly over to see you

read that again. Since when is going to the effort to fly to a different country just to see a person for a day on a spectrum of “can’t be arsed”. 🤦🏼‍♀️

"Can't be arsed to do more than x" simply means that's the extent to which he is willing to put himself out. He's been clear on that, as far as I can see.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:09

Macaroni46 · 19/05/2025 08:03

Now you’re just being stubborn for the sake of it! You’ll have seen him for the best part of 2 weeks. Saying goodbye the night before or in the morning is neither here nor there.
You’re just not willing to compromise.

The compromise will be going to meet my brother at Heathrow. It will be the last time I see my grandparents. If you can’t have empathy for that I don’t have anything else to add I guess.

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Macaroni46 · 19/05/2025 08:09

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:04

The plan would be to leave at lunchtime, which would get us there around 4pm. I was explaining to a poster why we would leave around lunch vs first thing in the morning. I want to make sure we say a proper goodbye to my grandparents and they tend to go to bed very early these days.

You can say the proper goodbye the evening before. You’re deliberately being inflexible on this.
Also, he’s so ill you’re counting every hour with him yet you’re not coming until next year? Which is it?
Just leave the holiday let in the morning and meet your brother for lunch or dinner. Job done.

Blessthismess2 · 19/05/2025 08:08

AthWat · 19/05/2025 08:06

Because, from all we can see, he doesn't care, and you do.

The person who is keener on making something happen has to put themselves out more.

If he can't be arsed to do more than fly over to see you, that is his prerogative. If the end result is you decide you can't be arsed to see him at all, that is your prerogative.

If he can't be arsed to do more than fly over to see you

read that again. Since when is going to the effort to fly to a different country just to see a person for a day on a spectrum of “can’t be arsed”. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Lardychops · 19/05/2025 08:08

Cabbagefamily · 19/05/2025 06:54

To be fair, your brother might not be very interested in your small children. He might want to see you but can take it or leave as regards the children.

Yes I think I agree with this.
when I lived abroad- bar my parents- my siblings, cousins and aunts (and certainly friends) were focussed on seeing me first and foremost,
Also I was under no illusion that people wanted to share the same living space as my two young kids (later four when I had twins) overnight for days on end, using up precious annual leave.
To be honest when I visit my siblings and their with kids now I’m happy to kick a ball for an hour, do some colouring, game for a bit even , but then I’m just keen for them to bugger off to bed so I can enjoy done quality adult time with my brother and sisters, eating drinking and talking ‘ adult’.

If he's not that fussed you can’t force it. Leave the offer open and review nearer time maybe?

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 08:08

There is a back story to this thread that we are not seeing. Op seems to be saying she wants to move back home, and misses her family terribly. It is easy enough to relocate, millions of people do, so why are they still there?

It seems to me that you are staying there to keep your dh happy. This is costing you personally a great deal.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:07

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 08:03

Why is it ‘absolutely vicious’ to suggest you move back if you miss your family??

It’s surely the answer to your issues. If you plan to move back then great, but you have to accept in the meantime you will have a very different relationship with your family, won’t always be a priority and your children will not have the same bond they would have otherwise had.

Your life sounds very tough and lonely. Especially with your health problems. Is your dh Australian and refusing to move?

Edited

I can’t help it if my children won’t have the same bond. We had to move back as yes my husband is Australian and his contract came to an end and so he was recalled if you like. I had a 1 year old at the time and so my only option seemed to be to go with him. My husband won’t move back right now and I’ve just finished the immigration process to be here. My children are happily and settled even if they do miss their cousins and grandparents. I won’t take my children away from their Dad and starting over in the UK as a single mother feels too much and I do like my husband and our life here. In a dream world I’d move my family here but of course that isn’t realistic. I feel completely torn between the two. But you’re right it is fairly lonely.

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SapporoBaby · 19/05/2025 08:07

Nah I think he’s being a dick tbh OP. If my sister was saying this I’d be calling her asking why… you’re back for the first time in 4 years he can drive a few extra hours or get a train.

SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 08:07

Macaroni46 · 19/05/2025 08:03

Now you’re just being stubborn for the sake of it! You’ll have seen him for the best part of 2 weeks. Saying goodbye the night before or in the morning is neither here nor there.
You’re just not willing to compromise.

It’ll be the last time she probably ever see her granddad and you think it’s a bad thing she wants to spend every possible second with him?

TheInternetNeverForgets · 19/05/2025 08:06

What I would say however is that if your life is set up in a way that is geared around your husband (ie living a days travel away from your family to accommodate his) then I do think he should be rather more accommodating about spending time in the UK. Ten days really isn’t a lot. I get work etc but this is the choice he made when he married you, in my view. This is the sacrifice.

AthWat · 19/05/2025 08:06

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:25

Why can’t my brother? All this talk of me being rigid. We had a plan my brother has now changed and now I’m expected to change our plans and put my kids under more stress and I’m rigid?

Because, from all we can see, he doesn't care, and you do.

The person who is keener on making something happen has to put themselves out more.

If he can't be arsed to do more than fly over to see you, that is his prerogative. If the end result is you decide you can't be arsed to see him at all, that is your prerogative.

deadpantrashcan · 19/05/2025 08:05

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:01

Absolutely vicious. Yes it’s so easy to move from Australia back to the UK. Sell our home, get my husband all the immigration paperwork, buy a new house etc. We do plan to come back eventually but for various reasons can’t right now.

Having also lived abroad, I agree that it’s really not that easy to “just move back.” There is a lot of work involved. Particularly with two young children. It seems there are, as always, two types of folk on this thread. People that appear to have never had a problem in their lives, and those that are able to emphasise with others that haven’t had the exact same life experiences as them.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:04

Kaftanesque · 19/05/2025 08:02

I understand you not wanting to cut short your time with parents and granddad but leaving at lunchtime the day before wont make so much difference surely?Checking into a hotel at Heathrow the night before and catching up with your brother would be ideal and way more relaxing as and end to your holiday. Your brother sees your parents more regularly anyway. It's you he wants to see.And not being awful but if your life is now in Aus the reality is he will probably be the one flying in and out more as your parents age and get frailer if he remains a shorter distance away .So perhaps let this one go this time. Maybe next visit will be longer and you will all get to spend time together.

The plan would be to leave at lunchtime, which would get us there around 4pm. I was explaining to a poster why we would leave around lunch vs first thing in the morning. I want to make sure we say a proper goodbye to my grandparents and they tend to go to bed very early these days.

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Groundhedgehogday · 19/05/2025 08:04

It's next year, Id give up trying to lock down a plan. Flight times change, plans change. If he's in Europe if he does want to meet he'll be able to book a flight nearer the time anyway.

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 08:03

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:01

Absolutely vicious. Yes it’s so easy to move from Australia back to the UK. Sell our home, get my husband all the immigration paperwork, buy a new house etc. We do plan to come back eventually but for various reasons can’t right now.

Why is it ‘absolutely vicious’ to suggest you move back if you miss your family??

It’s surely the answer to your issues. If you plan to move back then great, but you have to accept in the meantime you will have a very different relationship with your family, won’t always be a priority and your children will not have the same bond they would have otherwise had.

Your life sounds very tough and lonely. Especially with your health problems. Is your dh Australian and refusing to move?

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