To be scared people aren't taking far-right extremists seriously?

Nailed it, the only thing I would add..... 99% of people that are worried about 'far right' have no idea what far right actually is.
Reform aren't even middle right. Ask your grandfathers.

Are you claiming therefore that white British people either don’t exist or our existence is somehow ‘far right’? If there are no people regarded as indigenous (the exact definition of this is a whole other conversation) British then what are we?

Do you have the same issue with people who are proud to be black Africans? Or Nigerians that have a national identity that requires a Nigerian to be black and have originated from Nigeria?

I think it is fine when people describe themselves as British Asians or similar as that signals an adoption of what it generally regarded to be British but acknowledges their actual heritage. What words like your do is erase the concept of British heritage. You wouldn’t do that do any other nationality, why us?

I wouldn’t move to India and expect all Indians to refer to me as Indian and pretend that India heritage and culture has now expanded to include me.

There's a lot of talk about being 'indigenous' or white. It's all far right ideology. The other day someone posted a far right meme about invasion and eugenics - on a parenting forum. That's how ubiquitous it's getting.

@TempestTost

"He is really concerned about the effects of too liberal an immigration policy."

Is that concern about pressure on public services and housing after 15 years of biting government austerity, or what?

If it's about cultural change and crime, what makes that different to the massive objections raised by white Brits in response to waves of immigration from the West Indies in the 1950's?

They’re not getting those basic services or needs met not because of immigrants but because of years and years of underfunding.

@Potsofpetals
"I have no issue with the Conservative Party, Reform, Katie Bloody Hopkins or any other person who is trying to protect the rights of uk citizens."

Is that you Suella? 🙄

Love that you frame someone like Katie Hopkins, an out and out fascist who's called for child asylum seekers to be left to drown in the channel, as 'trying to protect the rights of UK citizens'. H

Ok this post @AnxiousApocalypse is packed with assumptions here and , as someone "of colour" (!) that is British born but who is concerned about rising immigration, let me try and help:

There is so much anti-immigrant sentiment in the UK and the West in general.

There has been a lot more migration from certain countries, many of them not necessarily officially in conflict or in war, but which seek the UK as an attractive destination due to language and existing family members.

So this has led to concerns.

There are a lot of people that believe if you are a person of colour that has grown up in the UK but have immigrant parents, then you are not British enough- even if you have spent your whole life here and integrated into British society.

Am in my 40s, female, grew up in the worse times than this, and I would challenge the "there are a lot of". I think there are a lot more outlets now such a social media that give coverage to these voices, but in my professional and personal life, no one is questioning me!

At my workplace, people talk about immigrants coming over on scam care worker visas schemes, bringing their dependants and taking up resources such as school places and NHS appointments when those are already lacking for those born in Britain.

But I don't think scam visas are ok?

Will most people not be happy until the UK has no non-white people at all?

This is seriously extreme, sorry OP, and deliberately provocative. NO, I don't think this is the case at all. You'll find "non white" people like me are also concerned about mass arrivals of young men, from particular communities and countries, time and time again arriving without families or any context, and slipping away into society without any identification, any screening, any support for integration. Where I live, this concerns people. Not their colour, but the culture issues.

@TempestTost

"The dismissal by well off liberals of concerns about immigration as racist,"

Except people are racist - you can see it all over social media. It' s not just about numbers or pressure on services.

"and the labeling of particularly working class people as bigots, is %100 what has allowed more extreme right wing parties to grow."

If someone's referring to migrants and asylum seekers as 'illegals' and 'muslamics' who want to force us all to live under Sharia law, then I'm going to call them deluded bigots who like dehumanising immigrants.

I've seen it loads of times on MN.

Yes I would class Windrush as working class - they were invited over & took on jobs like train drivers, nurses. I think it’s different as we knew who was coming & presumably had housing & jobs in place for the new arrivals.

The traditional working class? Like the Windrush generation? Or does traditional mean white?

Migrants would be the working class if allowed to earn their keep. They don't choose to be put up in state accommodation and prevented from working towards a life of their choosing.

Why would it mean white? My partner is a wc man, Caribbean, came with his parents as a boy in the 70s. He is really concerned about the effects of too liberal an immigration policy.

You people insisting that concerns like that have to be about some kind of white supremacist lens are a huge part of the issue. It's like there is a total inability to even conceptualise other possibilities.

It's been known for some time that far right extremism is growing. We had two anti immigrant protests this weekend, one in Bristol and one in Birmingham. Both cities are very racially diverse.

The protesters had remigration flags which is a far right term for deporting all people of colour.

Many European countries have a far right presence, and some have been voted into the European parliament. Some have asked for extensive remigration programmes.

There's a lot of talk on social media about a coming race war and people seem obsessed with 'immigrants'.

There's a lot of misinformation online fuelling division and hatred.

The whole indigenous/First Nation stuff is just far right ideology seeping into the nation's consciousness.

I will first say I have never heard this in the UK, the closest is some things you might hear in Scotland or Wales, but that's typically more specifically anti-English.

But if there is rhetoric like that, I would expect it's coming from North America, where it's considered quite acceptable by some. Some of it is quite nasty too.

Ok this post @AnxiousApocalypse is packed with assumptions here and , as someone "of colour" (!) that is British born but who is concerned about rising immigration, let me try and help:

There is so much anti-immigrant sentiment in the UK and the West in general.

There has been a lot more migration from certain countries, many of them not necessarily officially in conflict or in war, but which seek the UK as an attractive destination due to language and existing family members.

So this has led to concerns.

There are a lot of people that believe if you are a person of colour that has grown up in the UK but have immigrant parents, then you are not British enough- even if you have spent your whole life here and integrated into British society.

Am in my 40s, female, grew up in the worse times than this, and I would challenge the "there are a lot of". I think there are a lot more outlets now such a social media that give coverage to these voices, but in my professional and personal life, no one is questioning me!

At my workplace, people talk about immigrants coming over on scam care worker visas schemes, bringing their dependants and taking up resources such as school places and NHS appointments when those are already lacking for those born in Britain.

But I don't think scam visas are ok?

Will most people not be happy until the UK has no non-white people at all?

This is seriously extreme, sorry OP, and deliberately provocative. NO, I don't think this is the case at all. You'll find "non white" people like me are also concerned about mass arrivals of young men, from particular communities and countries, time and time again arriving without families or any context, and slipping away into society without any identification, any screening, any support for integration. Where I live, this concerns people. Not their colour, but the culture issues.

"If mainstream politicians had even acknowledged a fraction of the problems caused by the policy of unfettered mass immigration"

All countries trying to grow their economies while experiencing falling birth rates are reliant on immigration, and this will continue to be the case.

What we've had in the UK is problematic because it involves high levels of immigration alongside prolonged, eye watering austerity and BREXIT, which has damaged public services and sucked huge amounts of money out of local economies. And then we have a right wing press which has relentlessly blamed the resultant fall in living standards on immigration alone.

Why would it mean white? My partner is a wc man, Caribbean, came with his parents as a boy in the 70s. He is really concerned about the effects of too liberal an immigration policy.

You people insisting that concerns like that have to be about some kind of white supremacist lens are a huge part of the issue. It's like there is a total inability to even conceptualise other possibilities.

Agree with this. You can’t just keep on letting in more people & putting them up in hotels without people getting fed up. I think people who have come here legally are getting annoyed too as they had to pay lots for visas and NHS access & most are working. I don’t think anyone is representing the traditional working class politically. Years ago they would have managed to get a school place, GP appointment & a council house. Now they see people arriving & taking what they see as theirs. I’m not affected where I live & I work with lots of migrant children (who are lovely). But I can see why people in areas which have hotels full are getting pissed off. They feel like they aren’t being listened to. So they have resorted to protesting.

The traditional working class? Like the Windrush generation? Or does traditional mean white?

Migrants would be the working class if allowed to earn their keep. They don't choose to be put up in state accommodation and prevented from working towards a life of their choosing.