To be scared people aren't taking far-right extremists seriously?

That's all you need to be someone from Nigeria - your skin colour doesn't somehow make you purer.

I didn’t say it did, but you still haven’t answered my actual question. Do you object to other countries having their own standards and definitions of what it means to be Nigerian for example (there are lots of people who say they are proud Nigerians) even if that excludes people based on their race? Do you think Nigerians are allowed to say that a white person cannot be regarded as Nigerian for example? Do you think it’s ok for a person to move to Spain and claim to be Spanish?

There's a lot of talk about being 'indigenous' or white. It's all far right ideology. The other day someone posted a far right meme about invasion and eugenics - on a parenting forum. That's how ubiquitous it's getting.

Your words. You brought in the word ‘indigenous’ - I didn’t. Your post, whether it was intentional or not, implied that you think the concept of ‘indigenous or white’ is somehow ‘far right’.

I’m glad you admit that white British people exist though and our existence is just a fact and not political. I still don’t understand what you think is ‘far right’ about being indigenous or white though?

In direct answer to your question, although I haven’t claimed to be ‘indigenous’, I probably am quite indigenous, having strong Celtic family lines that have been traced back 100s of years and some very interesting people and stories in that family. I am proud of that and I’m sad for anyone not proud of who they are and where they are from which shapes the person they are today.

I notice that you can’t address my actual point, you just make up stuff I haven’t said and argue with that.

A lot of people here have never lived anywhere else, and it shows.

It's a lot harder to get anything most other places. There's more 'foreigner tax' just from not being from there, there's insane amounts of hoops you have to jump through to get your kids into a school, to get any kind of healthcare (often you can't without paying through the nose). The culture in the UK is rules following, and it shows the moment you try and achieve something in another country and discover that who you know is often as important as having all the right pieces of paper.

On a related note - in my area I saw a car recently with an SNP sticker. And I realise how weird it is the Scottish National Party seems to be able to champion Scottish rights without racism but the BNP, EDL and Britain First all seem unable to do so.

@TempestTost
"As far as racial culture war stuff, that has absolutely been the progressive left. The worst and most pervasive racism I've seen in the last 10 years has been from race essentialists on the left, It's really disturbing."

Do you want to give us an example of what you refer to as the 'racial culture war stuff'?

Your comment about migration depressing the wages of the lowest paid in the UK, this is a line that's constantly used by those of you on the far right in your efforts to persuade working class people that a party like Reform - one that supports mass deregulation of industry and labour, and the shrinking of the state, is actually on their side. This is what the migration observatory has to say about it:

"Research shows that the impacts of migration on wages and employment prospects for UK-born workers are small. Several studies have examined whether immigration leads to higher unemployment or lower wages among existing workers, and most have found either small or no effects."

You're arguing that working class people should side with the interests - the neoliberal right - who are ideologically opposed to every change over the past century that's been beneficial to working people: the growth of the state apparatus that's given them healthcare and free education; the protection of workers' rights; the regulation of industry that's cut deaths and illness from industrial diseases; the creation of social housing.

Reform are a far right, racist neoliberal party masquerading as 'the voice of the people'. They're the UK equivalent to MAGA.

Nigerians are citizens from Nigeria or people with ancestry from Nigeria. Nigeria isn't an ethnostate and has lots of different ethnicities.

That's all you need to be someone from Nigeria - your skin colour doesn't somehow make you purer.

Are you claiming therefore that white British people either don’t exist or our existence is somehow ‘far right’?

A skin colour can't be far right as that's a political ideology. White British people can and do exist.

there are no people regarded as indigenous (the exact definition of this is a whole other conversation) British then what are we?

Indigenous Britons are ancient Celts. Therefore your bloodline goes back to the ancient Celts and is unsullied. British people are citizens of Britain. We were colonised by the Romans and people from all over the world came here, we were invaded by Vikings. As an Empire we had people from the colonies here. That's our history.

Now answer my question. Why is it so important to you to be 'indigenous', not British but 'indigenous'? Which appears to mean white with an unsullied bloodline.

You sound like you are mocking Britons. Is it ok to mock people for their racial heritage now?

I thought you were against that - who’s next on your list?

These questions - I’m not sure how you missed them - they’re on this page and even Jhound attempted to answer. (see how this works? I didn’t even tell you to scroll back a few posts, let alone many pages):

Are you claiming therefore that white British people either don’t exist or our existence is somehow ‘far right’? If there are no people regarded as indigenous (the exact definition of this is a whole other conversation) British then what are we?
Do you have the same issue with people who are proud to be black Africans? Or Nigerians that have a national identity that requires a Nigerian to be black and have originated from Nigeria?
I think it is fine when people describe themselves as British Asians or similar as that signals an adoption of what it generally regarded to be British but acknowledges their actual heritage. What words like your do is erase the concept of British heritage. You wouldn’t do that do any other nationality, why us?
I wouldn’t move to India and expect all Indians to refer to me as Indian and pretend that India heritage and culture has now expanded to include me.

Can you point to anywhere I said I wanted an ‘unsullied lineage with no foreign blood’?

What do you mean by ‘British National identity ’? Are you suggesting that is the same as being British?

The point in your side note is not relevant to my question. I asked how pp would feel about people from other countries doing what she is criticising us for wanting to do. It’s a very different point.

What questions? About how important it is to you to have an unsullied lineage with no foreign blood? I simply asked why something like that is important.

I said that attacks had increased due to the spread of hate and division and gave you some examples. Nine football fans were believed to have taken part in the attack and there have always been links between football and the far right.

Plus the far right have been making a nuisance of themselves outside some of the asylum hotels and taking part in protests. There were far right riots last year that may have passed you by.

So you’re very happy for the taxpayer to spend vast sums of money renting hotels to keep the thousands of ‘asylum seekers’ pouring into the country every week?
What happens when all the hotels are rented and businesses and tourism can no longer operate due to the many years it take to process their claims?
Not all of these men (and where are the women?) are genuine asylum seekers - they have chosen to leave a safe country to make a crossing across a pretty safe stretch of water with the RNLI on attendance in case of issues. Some are going this for economic reasons or because if genuine asylum seekers, we give them a better deal than France. We don’t know how many.

So 1 drunk man attacked a stag do and 2 football fans attacked men in a train.

Attacking anyone on grounds of race is abhorrent - but this is hardly indicative of a) a pattern or b) the ‘rise of the far right’

I’m assuming from that response that you can’t answer my questions. Maybe have a think about why that is before you try and turn this on me.

@1984reallywasagoodbook

Britain was never open armed. We had rivers of blood speeches, black shirts, the BNP, EDL, more recently race riots and the anti immigrant rhetoric since before Brexit which is ugly and divisive.

You sound racist when you blame the decline of London being synonymous with an influx of people of colour.

You seem to give some kind of jumbled selection of dehumanising stereotypes: rapists, paedophiles, high breeding rate..

Britain isn't 'failing' because of immigrants or asylum seekers, it's had years of wage stagnation, austerity and lack of investment plus Brexit.

I'm concerned about the far right and fascism. I'm antifa though because I'm bloody well not having it. My grandad was an OG when it came to fashfighting. Whilst I'm not out shooting Nazi's like he did, there are still peaceful things people can do in resistance. Time spent worrying about this could be put to much better use in protest.

Settled people who are poor or working class are at the bottom of the heap utterly desperate for resources, that aren't there. It's very hard to be noble when you've been on a council waiting list for decades and recent immigrants are always ahead of you in the queue. If families are fleeing war torn countries fine but there's not enough to go around at the bottom of the heap without getting pissed off.

The ‘non-whiteness’ (using OP’s term) is perhaps being conflated by the apparent ‘far right’ as a short cut to the representation of a culture that threatens the prevailing/at risk ‘whiteness’. Boiling it down, Britain used to be open armed, welcoming, then it became stretched, squeezed and heinous crimes targeting British / western culture became a catalyst for everything that’s wrong with being so welcoming.
This is completely simplistic. But I think it’s true.

In context, it’s easy to see when living and working in London how it’s deteriorated in the last twenty years; safety, dirt, manners, coupled with less prosperity and housing affordability - which can’t be the fault simply of non whiteness but has become synonymous with the influx of it.

Cue the mistrust of the boats / illegal migrants / economic migrants / migrant hotels
/ rape gangs / high breeding rate / low skilled workers / lack of integration / schools leaning towards ‘inclusivity’ inferring white guilt / losing national pride / loss of belonging / can’t get a hospital appointment / groups of men hanging around outside schools - why? etc. etc - it all stems from real, felt impacts - tied in to one huge reason why Britain is failing, or at least, not the Britain the majority believe in.

Basically, white/non-white is nonsense and should really be understood as the the clashing of culture in an overly populous country that’s had some awful terrorism / anti British/western culture attacks in the last 20 years.

Trying to make sense of it too.

What is this word salad?

Speak to immigrant women of colour. The ones I mix with are very concerned that we are letting in the men that they've had to flee from. I was very surprised by what the immigrant communities (all working across Health/Pharmacy) had to say on some immigration. They haven't been surprised by the deportations and imprisonment of some if the men in their communities, just how they got the jobs that gave them access to vulnerable women.
@JHound do you mix much in the Black, African communities? As said they don't see themselves as one group and there's a lot of bigotry between groups. White people aren't going over and killing the Christians in Nigeria at the rate of a 100 a day. My main friend is Igbo first and foremost. My Ghanaian friends are proud of the progess their society is making and declare themselves Ghanian (there's a lot of mixed celebrations).

They’re just so odd!

That’s the disturbing thing. The rise of social media platforms shows these people are everywhere and far more numerous than we think.

Yes, true Britons, real Britons are white with a bloodline going back to the ancient Celts. These indigenous folk are very proud of the purity of their ancestry and it's very important.

I hear it far more from the UK than I do North America.

The hope is that Reform will implode in its current iteration as its predecessors have.

Farage claimed ages ago he was done with politics and, I believe he said, bankrupt. But he's still hanging around like shit on your shoe. Who's funding the grifter?

Do you have the same issue with people who are proud to be black Africans? Or Nigerians that have a national identity that requires a Nigerian to be black and have originated from Nigeria?

So does British national identity require Britons to be white and have “originated from Britain)

(Side note: I have also never heard of a Nigerian identity that is racial. Primarily because “blackness” and “Nigerian are European inventions. Most Nigerians I known would identify by a Nigerian erhnicity. But I don’t care about other countries - I care about my own.)