Parents hate the Childfree

No, my children are wonderful, thank you for your interest.
Bless your heart.

Oh dear - you may need a glass of warm milk and a nap. Hope you feel better soon, bless your heart

You've made quite the leap there to assuming that I dislike all children, and don't dislike adults who behave badly. Seems there's some projection going on in your comment. If you're making assumptions about other views I may have just because I've shared some personal observations then you need to ponder why you are doing that. No where in my comment did I say that adults are permitted to behave badly - but you've decided to go off on a tangent of your own design. Unclear why. Have you been accused of having badly behaved children in the past?

Im childless not child free I suppose could say child free as I’ve made peace with the causes. I find it the opposite. Some of the child free communities are utterly appalling. The Reddit child free sub is disgusting. Years ago it was a nice community but as it’s grown it’s become an awful area full of hate.

“Gosh” well aren’t all the best jokes the ones you have to explain 🤣 “caveat” - that was sarcasm.
My original joke wasn’t sarcasm, it was just a plain ‘ol joke.
”Alas” your idea of a sense of humour could use some work

I'd be unreasonable to dislike all adults, and naive not to assume that the badly behaved adults, are the parents of badly behaved children

Not always true. For example, children have a lower tolerance for boredom, feel the need to move about and lack impulse control to a point. You can be an extremely well behaved adult but your children will be children and have lower tolerances accordingly. That doesn’t necessarily mean the child is badly behaved per se, just that it is being put in a situation for which it is ill suited such as a restaurant or a flight and thus is displaying situational bad behaviour accordingly (shouting out, wriggling around and kicking seats whilst doing so etc). That still shouldn’t mean that anyone else should have that behaviour forced on them and be made to put up with it because ‘kids’. We didn’t inflict it on others and appreciate the same, then comes the hate from parents carrying on that we don’t understand because we are child free, whereas no, it’s really a case of been there, done that but were not dickheads while doing it.

@Roxietrees What are you on about?! Never in my life have I had a child come to my table in a restaurant trying to grab things and the parents don’t immediately come and apologise & take the child away. This really does not happen. You are making these things up in order to feel superior over today’s “entitled parents”

Yes it does, and no I’m not. Just because you have not had experience of things doesn’t mean they don’t happen, so that’s an odd way you view the world.

Other people having children or not makes no difference to me. Neither side is superior to the other.

But I have had a person comment and ask when I will stop churning them out. I do not have a large family at all. She was just very bitter that her own children's lives weren't working out as she had hoped and they hadn't supplied her with grandchildren.

Funnily enough I've experienced most of the same, from badly behaved adults, drunk on flights, trains, in restaurants, or just rude.

I'd be unreasonable to dislike all adults, and naive not to assume that the badly behaved adults, are the parents of badly behaved children.

Well behaved adults, have well behaved children.

To target children as a whole is ridiculous.

You get what you put in.

Gosh - you are clearly a combative person. If you don't want people to take your posts seriously then put a caveat under them. This is a long thread - you shouldn't expect people to have to read your later-posted explanation for your previous post before replying. You should also know that sarcasm doesn't generally translate too well to written posts. If you intend a post to be a joke or not taken seriously then say so under that post - it's well understood forum etiquette. Plus, your idea of a "joke" could use some work. Alas there are lots of people who do indeed have children because they want caregivers in old age - this is a common reason given by people when they explain why they have kids, or question why other people haven't. And they are being deadly serious.

Alas I have indeed been at restaurants and experienced children being allowed to run off and go bother strangers at other tables. Last week we were at a restaurant and a child came over and tried to grab a bread roll! I've also been on airplanes where kids are running around with no one supervising them - one tried to grab my iPad once. So this poster is no talking out of turn.

If parents can't control their children and keep them seated at a restaurant then they shouldn't be taking the kiddos to restaurants etc until/unless they can indeed make certain the child can sit quietly and eat their food without bothering others - unless of course it's a restaurant specifically aimed at parents with young children. But even then - it's a safety issue: running around while eating is a choke hazard.

As for the airplane: again, if you can't control your child enough to make sure they stay seated and leave other people alone on the plane, then don't go on an airplane. I have no issue whatsoever with babies crying etc - they can't help it if they are feeling grotty/have painful ears/are out of routine (and noise cancelling headphones are awesome!) but no child should be physically interfering in any way with another person's journey. A parent who can't control a their child in that environment shouldn't be travelling with their kids until they can. And it's perfectly doable: last plane I flew on (a 12 hour journey to the US) there was a lady travelling alone with three children - all were under the age of 8 - one was a baby. All behaved impeccably - they were a total delight - their mum was calm, cool, and clearly well prepared. And was clear with her expectations of her children for how they should behave. And the baby - oh my gosh - a little sweetie - there was a couple of older folks a couple rows down who were clearly grandparents - the gentleman kindly offered to hold the baby while the mum was sorting out the other two with their toys etc - and he was absolutely charming!

I do not care if someone is child-free.

I do care if they are horrible to me and my children because they are child-free.

But let's be frank, that is a small minority of usually mouthy people online. They would probably be equally unpleasant if they have children - just about something else.

Lol chill out. It was a JOKE 🙄 you’d know that if you’d read the subsequent post.

What are you on about?! Never in my life have I had a child come to my table in a restaurant trying to grab things and the parents don’t immediately come and apologise & take the child away. This really does not happen. You are making these things up in order to feel superior over today’s “entitled parents”. It’s not entitlement to want to take your child on a nice holiday - it’s a wonderful experience for children - who exist in the world and have just as much right to take up space and breathe air as you do. Babies and toddlers have been on planes since the beginning of planes. This is not a new thing! The fact you refused to take them on a plane even to meet relatives just because you were worried about upsetting other people is extreme. Of course it’s important to teach children manners, to be considerate of other people, and that they are not better than anyone else. But it sounds like you’ve taught them that other people’s comfort is more important than their right to meet their family and to travel. That’s a one-way ticket to low self-esteem/being a doormat IMO.

Err you must be trolling with this comment. You have a child - therefore you are not childfree or childless.
As for being old and lonely: children are not there to be your caregivers when you are lonely! If having a potential caregiver when youre old is your reason for having kids then I feel really really sorry for your child (and any you have in future. Yikes. If you are actually telling the truth with this post please for goodness sakes get yourself some therapy to address why on earth you feel this way. And if you made up this post just to get a rise out of people: for goodness sakes get some therapy to address why on earth you feel the need to behave that way.

You are exactly right - well said.

Yikes - this is a pretty intentionally negative post either way isn't it?? The use of the term "hate" is very provocative. My thought is that most people who have a well developed sense of self couldn't care less what someone else's child-having status is, or why people choose to or not to have kids, as long as the person (and their children if applicable) are happy. So to use the term "hate" is really extreme.

My experience has been that some people who have children sometimes can't quite understand why other people who have decided they don't want children have made that decision, and force their "you'll regret it!" viewpoint. Note the number of people who ask "why don't you have children?" rather than "why do you have children?" Sometimes people lack social skills and forget (or don't care) that some people may not have children for other reasons - that it isn't a choice - and that as such their question may be really rather unpleasant (similar to someone asking why someone doesn't have a partner, or doesn't have a job, or doesn't own their own home, or has the job they have etc etc). For those people it can - depending on the situation - be worth pointing out to them if they are being particularly full-on that they probably wouldn't like it if people asked them the alternative question (i.e. "why do you have children?!" or "why are you XYZ"?) As an example: my dad's cousins are "reverse snobs" and also have loads of kids (unclear why - since they don't seem to like most of them). One of my sisters does not have children, and they have asked her multiple times before "why" she doesn't want them and what she will do when she gets older and lonely (all the normal rubbish - they seem to view children as potential caregivers); in my case they ask me why I have two cars (lol!). My usual response is to ignore them. But the last time they were visiting my parents I'd had enough and said "because I can" and also asked them why it matters to them whether or not my sister has children or not. That shut them up. Urgh.

The reasons why people feel the need to say those kinds of intrusive/negative things vary tremendously - and we aren't mindreaders so we can't know for sure why some people think it's any of their business to try to "yuck another person's yum". There are lots of well understood reasons why people may try to neg another person's choices in life: jealousy; self-esteem problems; ego problems, personality traits that mean they only feel good about themselves if they make others feel bad; a competitive need to feel "superior"; a need to validate their own choices by dismissing or negging the choices of others etc etc etc. These things all tend to share a common issue: the person being unpleasant feels insecure and isn't happy in their own sense of self.

I think there’s a difference between ‘hating childfree people’ and ‘giving short shrift to childfree people choosing to post on a site called Mumsnet’, no? I have absolutely no antagonism towards childfree people in the world in general.

Yes, this is roughly what I meant. The post was a joke for posters who said things like “no words” lol 🙄 it’s got nothing to do with how much I love and want my child! It was a joke about having none of the benefits of being child free then only having one child to choose from to wash me in the bath when I’m old! Clearly many MNers are majorly lacking a sense of humour..

Good point

Some kids are fascinated by the most unexpected things. I know a few kids who would have loved this movie by the age of 9. It's not a hard rule that a kid that might look 8 shouldn't be there.

Reading your comment there I think you have got it totally wrong. If we are going by your comments it is nothing to do with parents / dog owners hating people they don't perceive to be like them, it is entitled people hating those who call their entitlement out.

As parents who do keep their kids under control (mostly) and who would absolutely apologise instantly for kids putting their hands on someone else's table at dinner we are equally targeted by entitled parents who think it is ok. No I do not want your brat distracting my children while they are eating, kindly F.O and wait until they have finished before asking them to play!

So you have it totally wrong it is not parents vs the childless it is the entitled vs the rest of us.

Yup, thought that might be your response!

Whatever.

Excellent so you take one post by one individual person and instantly all parents hate child free people.

I once heard a female make a negative comment about blue cars. Why do women hate blue cars so much?

I have heard a young male make a negative comment about plants. Why do all young men hate plants?

Seriously grow up, stop trying to troll people and find something better to do with your life.

It wasn’t a Shakespeare play being performed at a threatened

it was a film at a cinema
PG
Described as “wholesome family fun”

thoughtless to allow them to misbehave
not thoughtless for taking