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Parents hate the Childfree

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Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 18/05/2025 08:18

Over the past few days there have been several post regarding children for example Our new Neighbours and my loud children and To think it's unacceptable to say you don't like children. in both posts there are hateful comments about Childfree people. The second post in particular never mentioned anything about childfree people but then people started making comments about them. Plenty of parents hate other children despite having them. Why do parents care so much about Childfree people and their choices? Are you jealous? Need validation? Why all the hate? Most importantly will you own up to it?

YABU - I don’t hate the childfree
YANBU - yes I hate the childfree

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LowDownBoyStandUpGuy · 24/05/2025 19:07

Anewemail · 22/05/2025 14:37

So you think a very young child being picked up by a stranger, stormed across the restaurant and dumped on a plate of food is not going to make said child very very upset and scared?

Tbh I think people who make up scenarios like this get a bit too much joy out of the thought of young children being upset and scared.

JenniferBooth · 24/05/2025 16:26

BadLad · 21/05/2025 00:27

I've never had any reaction that could be called hate / hatred from parents because I don't have any children. There was some startled disbelief at first from family members, as if not wanting them was an insane choice, but that died away when people got used to it. I imagine women get that much worse.

On Mumsnet, there's sometimes a patronising othering by many parents. See the threads entitled something along the lines of "What do childfree people do with their weekends?" for examples. You'll see that many posters with children see the lives of their childfree acquaintances as a pointless void, with absolutely nothing to do, and time wasted on lie ins, bottomless brunches and other empty pursuits. I think my favourite comment was when formerbabe declared that she was "fascinated by childfree people who have cleaners". Those were her exact words. I've also read on here that people who don't have children aren't proper grown ups.

There's also plenty of sympathy for us as poor lambs who haven't had our epiphany, and so have yet to see the light, as we trudge through our black and white lives, never seeing the technicolor that parents have. And, of course, we never get to experience true love.

The closest I see to hatred / dislike is when non-parents might want Christmas Day off work, meaning that parents might have to work it, and therefore it might be less magical for their children. But most threads about that now have the majority of parents agreeing that childless /childfree should also have their turn in having Christmas off.

Re your "what do childfree ppl do with your weekends" No offence meant to you but i wonder why you havent been asked to prove it by posters abusively asking you to spend loads and loads of time searching for threads and copying and pasting loads of posts over to prove what you are saying. Like @KimberleyClark and i were asked to. Could it be because you are man and its still considered more acceptable for a man to say he doesnt want kids than for a woman to say the same thing

Really looks like misogyny was at play upthread if a man on here isnt being held to the same standard and questioned incessantly like Kimberley and i have been!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anewemail · 22/05/2025 14:37

HoppingPavlova · 22/05/2025 10:57

Exactly. None of the friend's actions (if they are real) are about teaching manners or anything like that. It's about bullying people who are smaller than her

Not true. The restaurant example is a lesson in cause and effect. You let your kid do this, and this is the consequence. It’s not meant to teach the kid anything, it’s a cause/effect for the parents. With the shoes, the same, it’s cause and effect but for both child and parents. That’s something I always instilled in my kids, 99% of what happened if they did something wrong wasn’t a punishment, but a consequence.

So you think a very young child being picked up by a stranger, stormed across the restaurant and dumped on a plate of food is not going to make said child very very upset and scared?

Anewemail · 22/05/2025 14:35

LameBorzoi · 22/05/2025 12:12

She sounds like a drama queen with a penchant for nastiness.

I wonder if the deranged friend has an children!

Anewemail · 22/05/2025 14:34

So @HoppingPavlova has a child come up to her restaurant table trying to take things off it on average once a year

@HoppingPavlova also has an unhinged friend who does things like dump young children on plates of food in the middle of a restaurant, and lob children’s shoes in the pool and @HoppingPavlova is clearly very impressed by this.

what an unfathomable odd character!

LameBorzoi · 22/05/2025 12:12

HoppingPavlova · 22/05/2025 10:53

sounds like idolises her friend

Nope, don’t idolise her. I very much respect her though for many reasons and her refusal to take one iota of shit from anyone is one reason. Definitely lessons many could learn.

She sounds like a drama queen with a penchant for nastiness.

LameBorzoi · 22/05/2025 12:09

HoppingPavlova · 22/05/2025 10:57

Exactly. None of the friend's actions (if they are real) are about teaching manners or anything like that. It's about bullying people who are smaller than her

Not true. The restaurant example is a lesson in cause and effect. You let your kid do this, and this is the consequence. It’s not meant to teach the kid anything, it’s a cause/effect for the parents. With the shoes, the same, it’s cause and effect but for both child and parents. That’s something I always instilled in my kids, 99% of what happened if they did something wrong wasn’t a punishment, but a consequence.

Rubbish. There is absolutely no need to go to that extreme. A quiet word is far more effective, 99% of the time.

Many young children would find being grabbed by a stranger and dumped in a plate of food highly distressing.

The only reason to do this is spite and cruelty.

HoppingPavlova · 22/05/2025 10:57

Exactly. None of the friend's actions (if they are real) are about teaching manners or anything like that. It's about bullying people who are smaller than her

Not true. The restaurant example is a lesson in cause and effect. You let your kid do this, and this is the consequence. It’s not meant to teach the kid anything, it’s a cause/effect for the parents. With the shoes, the same, it’s cause and effect but for both child and parents. That’s something I always instilled in my kids, 99% of what happened if they did something wrong wasn’t a punishment, but a consequence.

HoppingPavlova · 22/05/2025 10:53

sounds like idolises her friend

Nope, don’t idolise her. I very much respect her though for many reasons and her refusal to take one iota of shit from anyone is one reason. Definitely lessons many could learn.

Lactolove · 22/05/2025 07:08

LameBorzoi · 22/05/2025 07:04

Exactly. None of the friend's actions (if they are real) are about teaching manners or anything like that. It's about bullying people who are smaller than her.

Imagine sitting across the table from a friend telling you she behaves like this and not thinking “I don’t think I ever want to see you again!”

LameBorzoi · 22/05/2025 07:04

Lactolove · 22/05/2025 06:19

What. A. Twat.

Exactly. None of the friend's actions (if they are real) are about teaching manners or anything like that. It's about bullying people who are smaller than her.

Lactolove · 22/05/2025 06:19

HoppingPavlova · 22/05/2025 03:07

should have added most recent story of same friend. Having a bbq, lots of people, some kids who were mainly in pool. Some kid left shoes laying about in ‘walkway’ area. Friend shouted out whoever owned shoes to move them as in way and someone could trip, both up where we/shoes were, then went down to pool and made same announcement. No one moved shoes so they picked them up, went down yard and threw them over back fence. Saw that with own eyes. When leaving parent/child realised no shoes, friend told them where they were and why they had put them there. Heard that with my own ears.

What. A. Twat.

Lactolove · 22/05/2025 06:18

LameBorzoi · 22/05/2025 05:46

Why are you still friends with this person?

sounds like @HoppingPavlova idolises her friend

Lactolove · 22/05/2025 06:18

HoppingPavlova · 22/05/2025 02:45

@Andthenextafterthat because that definitely happened

Well, I wasn’t there, was just told so ???? What I will say is that, when I have been out with this friend they have done things way more than that, which I have observed with my own eyes so, based on that, I have no reason to think it’s not true. They take zero shit and will humour no one. Not a bad thing.

Way more than dumping a young child on a plate of food in the middle of a restaurant?

pray tell @HoppingPavlova what bull shit stories has your friend told you?

LameBorzoi · 22/05/2025 05:46

HoppingPavlova · 22/05/2025 03:07

should have added most recent story of same friend. Having a bbq, lots of people, some kids who were mainly in pool. Some kid left shoes laying about in ‘walkway’ area. Friend shouted out whoever owned shoes to move them as in way and someone could trip, both up where we/shoes were, then went down to pool and made same announcement. No one moved shoes so they picked them up, went down yard and threw them over back fence. Saw that with own eyes. When leaving parent/child realised no shoes, friend told them where they were and why they had put them there. Heard that with my own ears.

Why are you still friends with this person?

HoppingPavlova · 22/05/2025 03:15

@Andthenextafterthat because that definitely happened

That. Is. Being. Honest.

I think the problem is it’s ‘only’ been when we have an early 6pm session as that’s the easier time if both meeting in city directly after work as opposed to hanging around for a more normal session time. That’s the time we find kids may be present and this occurs. Never had this at a later time.

HoppingPavlova · 22/05/2025 03:07

should have added most recent story of same friend. Having a bbq, lots of people, some kids who were mainly in pool. Some kid left shoes laying about in ‘walkway’ area. Friend shouted out whoever owned shoes to move them as in way and someone could trip, both up where we/shoes were, then went down to pool and made same announcement. No one moved shoes so they picked them up, went down yard and threw them over back fence. Saw that with own eyes. When leaving parent/child realised no shoes, friend told them where they were and why they had put them there. Heard that with my own ears.

HoppingPavlova · 22/05/2025 02:45

@Andthenextafterthat because that definitely happened

Well, I wasn’t there, was just told so ???? What I will say is that, when I have been out with this friend they have done things way more than that, which I have observed with my own eyes so, based on that, I have no reason to think it’s not true. They take zero shit and will humour no one. Not a bad thing.

LameBorzoi · 22/05/2025 01:34

SudsySaturday · 21/05/2025 15:12

Yep.

The only thing the storyteller missed was 'and then everyone clapped' 😂

I agree. No one would actually be that nasty to a small child. I might give the parents the hairy eyeball, but I would coo over and then redirect the kid.

Elseaknows · 21/05/2025 18:26

I admit I get bothered by people who expect me to be as invested in their kids as they are. As a parent I understand they think that their kids are the greatest things ever, especially when they've just had them or they are reaching milestones.
My group of friends have regular girls nights and I struggle when it becomes all about our kids because it's our time to be us. (That probably sounds selfish AF) but I was me before I became mum. I think a lot of that becomes second when you give birth. My youngest hits double digits this year and I am so done with baby stuff, toddler stuff etc.

andthat · 21/05/2025 17:33

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 18/05/2025 08:57

Suggest you look at the comments from the posts I signposted

@Youstolemygoddamnhouse your post is ridiculous because you are lumping millions of people into one of two pots… child free or not child free.

and that’s ridiculous because of course in both of those groups will be people who like or dislike children.

We do not all share one homogeneous thought.

🙄

Fancycheese · 21/05/2025 15:17

I don’t divide my friends and people in my life into those who have children and those who don’t. It’s a non-issue for me. I’ve never heard of anyone who does this. I have children and dislike people who have kids if they’re arseholes. This thread is bizarre.

Nopicturesallowed · 21/05/2025 15:17

You are making a sweeping generalisation based on two posts on mumsnet.
I remember the To think it's unacceptable to say you don't like children post, because I voted YABU. I am a mother of 4 of varying ages between 28 and 14. I love my own very much, I love my nieces, nephews, great nieces and nephews etc and if my own children ever decide to have kids, I'm sure I will love them too but I have no interest in 'other' children. I have very little interest in other people to be fair but I'm just generally unsociable. I probably prefer people who are childfree as there is no expectation that I also have to interact with their children. What annoys me about some childfree people I know, is that they insist that everyone is bothered they are childfree. I don't know about anyone else but I have enough going on in my own life to be bothered or care about whether others have children or not.

SudsySaturday · 21/05/2025 15:12

Andthenextafterthat · 21/05/2025 14:05

The best was a friend, who also has adult kids, to whom this occurred. She picked up toddler, took back to parents table and plonked them directly on a cold plate of something (can’t recall what food it was now). Parents went ballistic, she pointed out they only had themselves to blame and to call the police if they felt the need, then returned to eat dinner in peace away from grubby little hands grabbing at the tablecloth while parents sat there smiling believing it was cute.

because that definitely happened 😂

Yep.

The only thing the storyteller missed was 'and then everyone clapped' 😂

Andthenextafterthat · 21/05/2025 14:09

@HoppingPavlova on average once a year at pricey restaurants you experience children coming up to your table and trying to grab things?

That poster asked you to be honest!