To not understand all the obsession with footbaall

But that's where the dislike on here stems from.

That's what I'm calling out...
The snobbery towards working class people.

This is untrue. I work in this area and it spikes if the man’s team loses. Alcohol isn’t a significant factor. There are differing identified reasons for the other periods you mentioned

Are you really saying alcohol isn't a significant factor here? Or the personality of the individual?
Football is just an excuse, it's not the cause.

Yep, it’s vile. It promotes discrimination, homophobia, racism, toxic masculinity, violence and hooliganism.

Yesterday my son had his football final and the team they support played (and lost ) the FA cup final... they were both at home by 8pm with their makeshift Eurovision Song Contest scoring system cheering on their favourite acts.

Don't assume all football fans are the same.

More sneering and patronising.

This is untrue. I work in this area and it spikes if the man’s team loses. Alcohol isn’t a significant factor. There are differing identified reasons for the other periods you mentioned

This also made me smile.
(Harry Kane).

But that's where the dislike on here stems from.

This made me happy.
Ok..image won't load. It's Bayern München winning the Bundesliga last week.

Lauren James

Football is traditionally very working class and a bit rough (albeit the PL crowd is more gentrified these days than it used to be).

MN is very middle class liberal.

I understand that. I was saying there nothing wrong with something being working class or having its roots in working class culture.

DV cases spike during significant home and international matches.

Due to alcohol not football. They also increase during hot weather, bank holidays and Christmas.

Football is traditionally very working class and a bit rough (albeit the PL crowd is more gentrified these days than it used to be).

MN is very middle class liberal.

Don't blame male football players for some men's abuse of women.

People feel such a need to ‘belong,’ it’s low self esteem.

What a ridiculous comment. That need to belong to something isn't exclusive to football.
It's nothing to do with self esteem, it's part of being social beings.
We find that sense of belonging in lots of different ways, team sports is just one way.

To dismiss that as a self esteem issue is just stupidity.

It really was a fantastic heart of the community and had an atmosphere that can’t be replaced.

And coming from the area it wasn’t just the matches, it was the way the pubs etc cans alive on match days.

Sadly the new stadium although impressive is in the middle of nowhere other than near a shopping centre. There’s no heart or community spirit.

My self esteem is bob on, but I still want Sheffield United to beat Sunderland next week at Wembley! Not entirely sure what that’s got to do with my self esteem anyway but by all means keep trying to psychoanalyse everyone who like different things to you if it makes you feel superior, thus, boosting your self esteem.

I get people don’t always like - or understand - other people’s hobbies but the self aggrandising of people who think they’re somehow better because they don’t like football really baffles me.

The desire to belong isn’t low self esteem - it’s human nature. You personally might not find that through football but being social creatures is a large part of what makes us human. Would you say it was low self esteem that made people enjoy singing in or listening to a choir?!

And here I am to say that I could never find an obsessive football fan attractive in any way

Yep, it’s vile. It promotes discrimination, homophobia, racism, toxic masculinity, violence and hooliganism. DV cases spike during significant home and international matches.

We all have different interests, and we don't actually have to understand though. As long as his enjoyment/upset/emotions are never targetted toward you in a negative way then no harm done. I quite enjoyed watching the 2nd half, though missed the first half and the goal. I also enjoyed the highlights of Bayern München via Hoffenheim.

I think sneering at others shows far lower self esteem tbh

I'm a huge football fan, I enjoy watching football, tennis, athletics, F1 and plenty of other sport.

Dd2 and I really enjoyed watching the match yesterday and it was great to see a different team win the trophy to the usual 'top 6'.

I don't really enjoy eurovision, I sometimes endure it just to see what's going on. Lots of people love eurovision I don't sneer or look down on those people for enjoying it.

Do you have to understand?

Huuuuuuuge football fan here. I actually couldn't be married to a man who doesn't love it as much as me. We all support our local (rubbish) team but all of us support different big teams. It leads to some interesting weekends! 😂

I always think there’s a little bit of snobbery when it comes to people liking football. It’s probably seen as a bit of a working class, pub dwellers game.

Indeed.. and what is wrong with that anyway?

The snobbery towards football on MN is ridiculous.