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Woman declared legally dead is being kept alive due to state’s abortion laws

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Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 17/05/2025 18:02

Anyone see this story?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/15/pregnant-georgia-woman-brain-dead-abortion-law

TLTR
US women is being kept alive on life support due to abortion laws. Woman was 9 weeks pregnant when she became brain dead. Family have no say in the matter and do not want this. The foetus if it survives may have life long health conditions and suffer from brain damage. Family are also having to pay for medical fees occurred and also for future birth fees.

I am being unreasonable to say WTF. Where is the outcry about this? This actually happened in an episode of The Handmaid’s tale.

YABU - this is the law, law needs to be upheld even after death
YANBU - WTF. Women are not safe even after death.

Pregnant US woman declared brain dead is being kept alive under state abortion law

Doctors are keeping Adriana Smith on life support months after medical emergency until baby is ready, family says

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/15/pregnant-georgia-woman-brain-dead-abortion-law

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Eyesopenwideawake · 17/05/2025 19:12

The description I saw was the they are using a dead body as an incubator, that is just unspeakable.

AthWat · 17/05/2025 19:09

blubberyboo · 17/05/2025 18:31

Why do people like you not see that the left are entirely to blame for this in the west?

Women had abortion rights and autonomy over their wombs.

Then the left decided that women couldn't have autonomy over the rest of their bodies when they decide on matters of privacy.

The left should have held the line on sex based protections.

They failed and the right got a way in.

Exactly where in "the west" have the "liberal left" held power and enacted all these things you are concerned about over the last 15 years?

ThejoyofNC · 17/05/2025 19:09

I am 100% anti-abortion.

However I cannot see how allowing the woman to die could have been considered an abortion. Are the machines what's keeping her "alive' right now?

I think if everyone involved was in support of this and knew that it's what the woman would have wanted then saving her baby would be miraculous. But that's not the case.

diabeticdd · 17/05/2025 19:08

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 17/05/2025 19:06

I didn’t say it could have health issues because of this, as in only having health issues due to the mother being kept alive. We also don’t know the mother’s health history. It says she had blood clots to the brain so lack of oxygen could may well lead to brain and health issue in the foetus. We can only speculate though.

This is what I didn’t understand, is it possible to keep a woman ‘alive’ this long and the foetus can be totally healthy ? Are they saying they baby may have issues because that’s common or is it due to the specifics surrounding the condition that made the mother so unwell. It’s not very clear but maybe it’s designed to be vague ? It seems absurd that the family could be liable for the costs of life support ??!

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 17/05/2025 19:06

diabeticdd · 17/05/2025 18:43

Can someone medical explain why the baby could have brain/other health issues due to this ? As at 9 weeks a foetus is relatively well protected . Also I’m assuming they can do scans so surely there’s an opportunity soon to ascertain the viability of the foetus ?

I didn’t say it could have health issues because of this, as in only having health issues due to the mother being kept alive. We also don’t know the mother’s health history. It says she had blood clots to the brain so lack of oxygen could may well lead to brain and health issue in the foetus. We can only speculate though.

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WhereIsMyJumper · 17/05/2025 19:05

How on earth would letting this woman pass away with some dignity count as an abortion?
If they switch off her life support, they aren’t actively performing a termination?!! I don’t get even the logic behind this, let alone the complete lack of morals

JHound · 17/05/2025 19:05

Lovelysummerdays · 17/05/2025 19:02

I think the conservatives are the most to blame. I do think the left should of codified abortion rights into law. They had the opportunity but preferred to keep the implicit threat dangling to incentivise women to vote for them.

I mean women, especially from some demographics overwhelmingly did vote for them but I don’t think that was the reason they chose not to codify abortion rights - I think they fear the power of conservative voters especially the Evangelical vote. And they mistakenly felt Roe vs. Wade was here for good.
And women who vote democrat appear to do so for far more reasons than just abortion rights.

Lovelysummerdays · 17/05/2025 19:02

blubberyboo · 17/05/2025 18:52

The left has benefitted from decades of women's rights movements. They should have had women's backs and not left them politically homeless and having to choose between their own fairness and dignity on a daily basis versus some other women's right to an abortion.

Those legislators will never support abortion but the left should have anticipated ways for them to gain support and resisted. They didn't.

So yes the left is the most to blame.

I think the conservatives are the most to blame. I do think the left should of codified abortion rights into law. They had the opportunity but preferred to keep the implicit threat dangling to incentivise women to vote for them.

JHound · 17/05/2025 19:01

blubberyboo · 17/05/2025 18:52

The left has benefitted from decades of women's rights movements. They should have had women's backs and not left them politically homeless and having to choose between their own fairness and dignity on a daily basis versus some other women's right to an abortion.

Those legislators will never support abortion but the left should have anticipated ways for them to gain support and resisted. They didn't.

So yes the left is the most to blame.

Your reaponses are boring.

Your lack of accountability is boring

Your “Please Your Honour, She made me hit her” is positioning is boring.

Just. Boring.

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 17/05/2025 19:00

JHound · 17/05/2025 18:48

I assume the father was the boyfriend - they mention him at the start.

Ah yes I missed that. I wonder if he’s the father to her other child? Raises all sorts of questions if he was not and to bring up the child separately from her other child.

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Teisen1990 · 17/05/2025 18:59

I don't think many people would agree that this is 'really' an abortion

In my opinion this is more a grotesque science experiment. Turning off life support is a kindness to this woman keeping her going for months doesn't seem right. How will the child feel raised when it learns of its origins

Echobelly · 17/05/2025 18:57

Utterly horrific, and the family are having to pay the bills for this torment as well. I hope someone can raise funds to help them.

I agree that if this happened when live birth was viable you would probably want to try to deliver the baby, but not from 9 weeks. These 'forced birthers' are ghouls.

Tutorpuzzle · 17/05/2025 18:56

Lamelie · 17/05/2025 18:07

I’m weakly anti abortion but that is horrific. Poor woman, poor woman’s family.

With absolutely respect (honestly, I’m not being snarky) being ‘anti-abortion’, however ‘weakly’ is too simplistic.

If you mean you are anti the provision of safe and legal abortion procedures the only alternative will be those of the back street variety (for those who can’t afford to travel). God knows how many women in the US have risked this recently. Because abortions ain’t going to stop happening, however illegal they’re made.

Lovelysummerdays · 17/05/2025 18:55

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 17/05/2025 18:47

I assume her family will look after the child. No mention of father in the article, so will probably be brought up by the grandmother? The woman also had a five year old boy.

I watched her interview on nbc the grandmother reckoned she’d share responsibilities with her daughter’s partner. I’m sure it’s not about money but can you imagine going from a 2 income, one child familyto being a single parent of a 6 yo, a profoundly disabled baby and a financially crippling medical bill. He’s going to need support.

blubberyboo · 17/05/2025 18:52

JHound · 17/05/2025 18:45

I heard your kow-towing and mollycoddling the first time.

Left-wing liberals write bad laws: blame The Left

Right-wing conservatives write bad laws: blame The Left.

You position is clear.

I will only ever hold to account those who are accountable -those who legislate for laws are accountable for their legislation.

Edited

The left has benefitted from decades of women's rights movements. They should have had women's backs and not left them politically homeless and having to choose between their own fairness and dignity on a daily basis versus some other women's right to an abortion.

Those legislators will never support abortion but the left should have anticipated ways for them to gain support and resisted. They didn't.

So yes the left is the most to blame.

YankSplaining · 17/05/2025 18:52

I’m done having children, but if someone had raised this as a hypothetical when I was pregnant with either of mine, I would have said, “If the baby’s still alive, don’t you dare take me off life support until after either delivery or a natural miscarriage.” Is there any indication what Adriana herself might have wanted if she’d known she was going to end up in this situation?

JHound · 17/05/2025 18:48

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 17/05/2025 18:47

I assume her family will look after the child. No mention of father in the article, so will probably be brought up by the grandmother? The woman also had a five year old boy.

I assume the father was the boyfriend - they mention him at the start.

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 18:47

Why can’t the family decide? Will they harvest her organs afterwards as well?

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 17/05/2025 18:47

Fangisnotacoward · 17/05/2025 18:32

It's a situation beyond horrible.

Aside from the morals of the situation, as she's in the US, how much are her family being charged each day to keep this woman alive as an incubator. If she has insurance, I highly doubt the insurance company are willing to pay up for this.

The foetus apparently has water on the brain and is likely to be born disabled to some degree. Who will be expected to care for this child? The woman's family?

It must be absolute torture for them.

I assume her family will look after the child. No mention of father in the article, so will probably be brought up by the grandmother? The woman also had a five year old boy.

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Liz1tummypain · 17/05/2025 18:46

Americans are bloody nuts.

diabeticdd · 17/05/2025 18:46

Lovelysummerdays · 17/05/2025 18:13

I think that’s awful tbh. So after the trauma of losing someone you love 7 months later you have to face the possibility of having a profoundly disabled child who may not survive plus an enormous medical bill. Her poor child and parents as well.

I feel like the state should bear the cost if it’s insisting on keeping a brain dead woman alive.

I agree if the family don’t agree then they should not have to pay

JHound · 17/05/2025 18:45

blubberyboo · 17/05/2025 18:38

I'm not kow-towing to anyone dear!

I'm pointing out that where the left has failed women and allowed to fester then male supremacy ideologies creep in. This will always happen if left unchecked.

The left did that

You need to hold the left to account

Edited

I heard your kow-towing and mollycoddling the first time.

Left-wing liberals write bad laws: blame The Left

Right-wing conservatives write bad laws: blame The Left.

You position is clear.

I will only ever hold to account those who are accountable -those who legislate for laws are accountable for their legislation.

Italiangreyhound · 17/05/2025 18:45

I'm just re-watching the fictional series The Handmaid's Tale and this is something that happens in the series.

BadgeronaMoped · 17/05/2025 18:44

I agree with JHound, this situation surely doesn't count as an abortion? The woman has died, she hasn't decided to abort her baby! Therefore, she and her baby die together.

Feel so sorry for her and her family.

diabeticdd · 17/05/2025 18:43

Can someone medical explain why the baby could have brain/other health issues due to this ? As at 9 weeks a foetus is relatively well protected . Also I’m assuming they can do scans so surely there’s an opportunity soon to ascertain the viability of the foetus ?