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19 year old in charge of Children’s Services for Leicestershire Council

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MmeChoufleur · 17/05/2025 12:13

Reform have appointed a 19 year old, Councillor Charles Pugsley, to run Children’s Services for Leicestershire County Council, . How would you feel about this if you lived in the borough and had SEND children?

Does this make a mockery of democracy, handing over such an important role to a person with no experience in the workplace, certainly not at any high level?

Will this make Reform voters sit up and think about the consequences of voting for this party?

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ruffler45 · 17/05/2025 15:30

And he had the best CV? what were the rest like?

MrsKeats · 17/05/2025 15:28

Ihateslugs · 17/05/2025 13:37

I’ve missed this information, is that 6 in one council or over them all?

All over-there are more now as other posters have said.
Can’t link the story but have a look at Gloucestershirelive.co.uk’s story about councillors not knowing what they are doing.

thepariscrimefiles · 17/05/2025 15:27

Policiesnotpersona · 17/05/2025 15:15

I'll just leave this here

FFS! Do Reform voters/MPs/councillors understand SEN provision or believe that children with SEN need additional educational support that costs money?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/05/2025 15:22

Policiesnotpersona · 17/05/2025 15:15

I'll just leave this here

It's fucking awful.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/05/2025 15:21

Flyswats · 17/05/2025 15:09

So what do you want, no police, no counselors, you would prefer a chaotic, free-for all anarchy?

I mean it is one thing to criticize and to point out individual failures, like the policeman you reference, but what about the general success of the country's infrastructure?

And this guy hasn't "failed" yet, but you're already all over him, for his age.

This is ageism.

My point was that the vetting process that you seem to have such confidence in clearly isn't up to much.

You can call it ageism if you like. Personally, I don't think that a 19yo who has only just left school has the experience to be able to add much value in that kind of role. I have a 19yo of my own, and she is amazing...I would entrust her with a lot of things, but I would not think she was ready at her age to have the lead on strategic oversight for children's services.

The brain is still developing at that age. Personally, I find it bizarre that we don't even allow 16yos to have the vote because they are too young, and yet by 18 or 19, they are presumed mature enough to take on roles involving significant responsibility? I would prefer to see a minimum age for councillors with a portfolio.

As for this young man, he has already failed imo by choosing to stand for Reform. I don't need to see any more. But I wouldn't want a 19yo in that kind of role from any party personally.

ShinyAppleDreamingOfTheSea · 17/05/2025 15:18

AlastheDaffodils · 17/05/2025 12:20

He’s not “running” children‘s services day-to-day. He’s the councillor with responsibility for them. It’s a part time oversight-type role. The department won’t fall apart.

It’s still stupid though.

This is what I was going to say. I know nothing about this LA but I hope there are some decent people employed by the authority who know what they are doing and are allowed to get on with their role.

Barney16 · 17/05/2025 15:17

Isn't he the councillor responsible rather than running it? It's completely different. Each councillor takes a particular area of council work as their speciality but it means nothing in terms of the actual work

aylis · 17/05/2025 15:16

YellowOrangePink · 17/05/2025 12:22

I don't remember all this hysteria when Mhairi Black appeared on the scene in Scotland. People thought that was fantastic

Mhairi Black didn't hold any positions beyond her elected one, which was fine. Being a councillor or an MP or an MSP is fine to a point as young people CAN have experience in various areas and can therefore be an important voice or conduit. Age doesn't necessarily give you that, eg a young person who is care experienced can be more valuable than a middle-aged person who isn't on that particular issue. Being handed a portfolio is different though and I have a problem with MPs and MSPs in general being shuffled around positions they don't know anything about never mind the prospect of people just out of school. As an example, half the Scottish ministers who have held half the roles for no real reason.

You can also obtain experience in different ways as a councillor that doesn't require you having so much responsibility in a crucial area so the 'gaining experience' angle doesn't stack up.

JasmineAllen · 17/05/2025 15:16

VaddaABeetch · 17/05/2025 14:01

Not that he’s not capable but that he doesn’t have the experience.

I’m learning Italian, I can order in a restaurant & have a basic conversation. I wouldn’t put myself forward as an interpreter at the UN

I agree, he has little experience. But unless someone is given a chance then they don't get any experience, like Maihri Black.

Policiesnotpersona · 17/05/2025 15:15

I'll just leave this here

19 year old in charge of Children’s Services for Leicestershire Council
VickyEadieofThigh · 17/05/2025 15:13

Jollyhockeystickss · 17/05/2025 13:09

It gets better, apparently a degree in computer science leads you to be a people person, he's highly educated and clever and he states my ( very privileged) background gives me an understanding to do the job, having worked with social services for 10 years he wont last 6 months, because the public won't engage with him and will be putting in complaints about him so I wouldn't panic, let's see how he copes when an angry father squares up to him because his child has been removed,

He's 19 and already has a degree?

HuffleMyPuffle · 17/05/2025 15:13

Honon · 17/05/2025 12:36

He is the decision maker at a strategic level. Imagine the council is struggling to provide school transport for disabled children, for example, and presents a plan to commission a new transport provider. He can (and, given it's reform) may very well choose to block that. Same for any significant spend the department wants to make, including continuation of existing services that are already in place (children's centers, children's homes, respite services for example). It's actually very concerning.

Surely that issue is the party he represents not his age then?
Whereas a 19 year old, recently experienced with the lack of facilities for example, is likely to vote very differently to a 50 year old who has become jaded about the youth

Flyswats · 17/05/2025 15:09

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/05/2025 15:04

Lol. That will be the same application process that selected a former police officer who had been sacked by the police for misconduct. I wonder what sort of "attributes" he demonstrated?!

So what do you want, no police, no counselors, you would prefer a chaotic, free-for all anarchy?

I mean it is one thing to criticize and to point out individual failures, like the policeman you reference, but what about the general success of the country's infrastructure?

And this guy hasn't "failed" yet, but you're already all over him, for his age.

This is ageism.

AlleycatMarie · 17/05/2025 15:05

MmeChoufleur · 17/05/2025 12:13

Reform have appointed a 19 year old, Councillor Charles Pugsley, to run Children’s Services for Leicestershire County Council, . How would you feel about this if you lived in the borough and had SEND children?

Does this make a mockery of democracy, handing over such an important role to a person with no experience in the workplace, certainly not at any high level?

Will this make Reform voters sit up and think about the consequences of voting for this party?

But surely he’s the cabinet member for children’s services, that doesn’t mean he’s running it or is the director? (I fully agree though that he is too young for this regardless!)

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/05/2025 15:05

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Is that you, Charles?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/05/2025 15:04

Flyswats · 17/05/2025 14:59

There would have been a formal application with required "attributes" and "experience" and there would have been an interview process. None of us were privy to any of that .

Clearly what I am saying is wait and see what those qualities might be. How is that not clear.

Lol. That will be the same application process that selected a former police officer who had been sacked by the police for misconduct. I wonder what sort of "attributes" he demonstrated?!

LilacFlowerBed · 17/05/2025 15:03

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EarthlyNightshade · 17/05/2025 15:01

LumiK · 17/05/2025 13:55

Because of the abuse they're getting.

Have you linked to any examples of this?

Flyswats · 17/05/2025 14:59

muminherts · 17/05/2025 14:41

@Flyswats what qualities do you think those are?

There would have been a formal application with required "attributes" and "experience" and there would have been an interview process. None of us were privy to any of that .

Clearly what I am saying is wait and see what those qualities might be. How is that not clear.

Hedonism · 17/05/2025 14:54

AlastheDaffodils · 17/05/2025 12:20

He’s not “running” children‘s services day-to-day. He’s the councillor with responsibility for them. It’s a part time oversight-type role. The department won’t fall apart.

It’s still stupid though.

Yes, this.

It's fucking ridiculous. The lead member for adults is not much older either.

thepariscrimefiles · 17/05/2025 14:50

What a totally ridiculous decision. Unfortunately, I don't think this will make Reform voters sit up and think about the consequences of voting for this party, unless they have a SEN child who is affected by this appointment.

muminherts · 17/05/2025 14:41

@Flyswats what qualities do you think those are?

Flyswats · 17/05/2025 14:40

I would give him a chance actually. They didn't vote him in because he was young, but because of personal qualities he displayed, which you're probably yet to witness.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/05/2025 14:35

LlynTegid · 17/05/2025 14:34

We cannot judge fully as we don't know who the other Reform councillors are. Some could have been worse, indeed probably some are.

Well, there is the one that was sacked by the police for misconduct. So that's a good start.

LlynTegid · 17/05/2025 14:34

We cannot judge fully as we don't know who the other Reform councillors are. Some could have been worse, indeed probably some are.

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