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To think it's unacceptable to say you don't like children?

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BirdPlanet · 17/05/2025 09:23

Increasingly I've heard people saying some variation of the statement 'I don't like children'. I don't see why this is in any way acceptable. You wouldn't say that you 'don't like' any other category of person. If I said I didn't like the elderly or middle-aged women as a group, I'd get slapped down, yet somehow people think it's okay to talk about children as if they aren't human beings. Is it because they can't speak or advocate for themselves? Children aren't some kind of homogeneous entity. They have personalities and different temperaments, just as adults do.

Inevitably people will say that it's used as a shorthand for disliking the behaviour of some children, but even so, that’s more of a reflection of poor parenting than anything else.

OP posts:
user1476613140 · 18/05/2025 07:05

KimberleyClark · 18/05/2025 07:03

There is a particular kind of loud,piercing screaming that some children do when playing that I cannot tolerate. It makes my head hurt. So I will get away from it if I possibly can.

That's a normal day in my household with 4 of them🤣

user1476613140 · 18/05/2025 07:04

KimberleyClark · 18/05/2025 06:49

And? What is your point?

She has no desire to have any herself. Has showed no interest in my children over the years, but has given them all birthday and Christmas gifts. But not interested in hearing about them.

KimberleyClark · 18/05/2025 07:03

There is a particular kind of loud,piercing screaming that some children do when playing that I cannot tolerate. It makes my head hurt. So I will get away from it if I possibly can.

chatgptsbestmate · 18/05/2025 06:53

Agix · 18/05/2025 06:46

I've come to realise that it's not children I don't like, it's bad parenting.

Well behaved, polite children are fine. Just as fine to me as any other stranger.

Dirty, slimy, germy, misbehaved loud demanding children who don't respect you or your personal boundaries are horrible, and I'd dislike anyone at any age who acts like that - not just children - they don't get a free pass for being shits just because of their age. They can be taught or removed from the scene due to misbehaviour (but are often not).

So it's often not the kids fault at all, it's the parents. Parents slack off parenting because "Oh they're just kids, and kids will be kids!" missing the point that as a parent, you teach the kids, and when the kids can't be taught, you take responsibility for them... Not fob off responsibility completely.

And I think that's why people get defensive, because they know it's their fault that their kids are unlikeable. They want you to change or mind or shut up without them having to actually put any effort into being better parents.

I agree with this completely

I know it can be difficult to get our children to behave well in public (tiredness, boredom etc can affect how they behave) but I do dislike screaming yelling badly behaved children.....therefore it probably IS their parents that I actually dislike

KimberleyClark · 18/05/2025 06:49

user1476613140 · 17/05/2025 21:40

DH's sister doesn't like children. She doesn't have any herself. And is single.

And? What is your point?

Agix · 18/05/2025 06:46

I've come to realise that it's not children I don't like, it's bad parenting.

Well behaved, polite children are fine. Just as fine to me as any other stranger.

Dirty, slimy, germy, misbehaved loud demanding children who don't respect you or your personal boundaries are horrible, and I'd dislike anyone at any age who acts like that - not just children - they don't get a free pass for being shits just because of their age. They can be taught or removed from the scene due to misbehaviour (but are often not).

So it's often not the kids fault at all, it's the parents. Parents slack off parenting because "Oh they're just kids, and kids will be kids!" missing the point that as a parent, you teach the kids, and when the kids can't be taught, you take responsibility for them... Not fob off responsibility completely.

And I think that's why people get defensive, because they know it's their fault that their kids are unlikeable. They want you to change or mind or shut up without them having to actually put any effort into being better parents.

Dingalingalong · 18/05/2025 06:39

TheHerboriste · 18/05/2025 03:51

I’m talking socially, not legally.

Normal people understand the difference.

'Normal people'. 🙄

In 2 posts you have shown so awful personality traits, if im honest with you. Completely disregarding children's rights (they are legal AND social) and making assumptions that I'm not normal for pointing out your blatant ignorance.

BonBon20 · 18/05/2025 06:38

Persianpaws · 18/05/2025 05:29

This has been an interesting thread to read.

People who don’t like children have (mostly) given valid, well thought out and considered arguments. The people who are offended by this choice of opinion seem to parrot the same old cliches.

You were a child once,
Would you say that about old people?
People who say they don’t like kids are protesting too much and must be bitter because they didn’t/couldn’t have any,
People who say this must be lacking in intelligence
and my favourite - all kids are different you haven’t met them all so how can you say you dislike them all?

I don’t really like kids - or should I say I don’t like being around them. I haven’t met them all but they all have various things in in common that have been mentioned a few times on this thread.

Kids haven’t been fully socialised, they ALL need constant supervision and attention under a certain age.
Children are noisy, over emotional and needy, you can’t sit in a room and have a intelligent conversation with them or read a book and expect them to do their own thing, you have to put them first and they often need help with personal care.
If you aren’t in charge of the child you still have to accept they will interrupt, likely cry about something or have an opinion about something they know absolutely nothing about.

I prefer adult only spaces and to spend time with friends without their children, I have nieces and nephews who I have no choice to spend time with but they haven’t been brought up well and are spoilt so I only spend time with them when necessary. When they were babies and toddlers before their personality started to emerge I was bored to tears with them, I hated playing the same games and answering the same questions over and over, I got frustrated by the repetitiveness engaging with them.
Children have awful hygiene as they know no better when they are young. They often have snotty noses, are sticky, scratch their bums and touch things, they are very often incontinent.

I haven’t met ALL children but I imagine the reasons I prefer not to be around them applies to most - if not all of them.
I don’t wish harm on them, I would help a child if needed and if I have to spend time with them I’d be kind. I don’t tell people I don’t like children for no reason but I do if people keep asking why I don’t have any. I find it amusing that if I do mention that I’m not keen on them that it appears to offend some people and yet I’ve heard many people say they only like their own and not other peoples and that seems to be acceptable.

Everyone has been a child - old people, ginger people, Jewish people, black and disabled people, it’s not the same to say disliking children is the same as other groups as it’s not singling out anyone - including myself.
Yes I was a child once but I don’t think that is a valid argument as I don’t take offence that people might have disliked me just because I wasn’t an adult, I’d expect that I’ve matured since then and people feel differently, I’m not always convinced but I do hope so 😂.

As for the people who assume all childfree people use this to hide our jealousy and cover up our longing and desperation for not having reproduced, do you not think childfree people actively prevent having kids? I have friends who have been sterilised to prevent pregnancy, have had abortions or are obsessive about contraception. It’s not every woman's desperate desire to have babies, some of us really mean it when we say we don’t like kids and don’t want them.

I wonder why the some of the people on this thread are so offended by people by people not liking kids? how does it affect them? You like yours and that’s all that matters. There isn’t a single person who said they would be nasty to a child, they just don’t want to be around them.
I have heard some of my friends with children bemoan the lack of a “village” in raising their kids and expecting more help from people, I have been expected to be part of this “village” in the past. What they don’t seem to understand is you get out of the village what you put in, you can’t just expect strangers to want to help raise your child for nothing in return - especially when you get angry when they stop asking little Jonny to stop kicking your plane seat or to sit round and stop running round in a busy restaurant so they don’t get scalded.

I read most of the comments on this thread (bad case of insomnia) I was mainly waiting for a good reason as to why it’s so wrong to dislike children without it just offending people personally because it’s not the same as what they think. I haven’t seen a single good reason that someone else hasn’t had a better argument for.
This of course is only my opinion, I’m entitled to that opinion though and i’m not going to call anyone bitter, stupid, bigoted, a narcissist, ageist or a psychopath in return.

Agreed! A genuinely useful addition to the thread. Sorry about your insomnia x

Persianpaws · 18/05/2025 05:29

This has been an interesting thread to read.

People who don’t like children have (mostly) given valid, well thought out and considered arguments. The people who are offended by this choice of opinion seem to parrot the same old cliches.

You were a child once,
Would you say that about old people?
People who say they don’t like kids are protesting too much and must be bitter because they didn’t/couldn’t have any,
People who say this must be lacking in intelligence
and my favourite - all kids are different you haven’t met them all so how can you say you dislike them all?

I don’t really like kids - or should I say I don’t like being around them. I haven’t met them all but they all have various things in in common that have been mentioned a few times on this thread.

Kids haven’t been fully socialised, they ALL need constant supervision and attention under a certain age.
Children are noisy, over emotional and needy, you can’t sit in a room and have a intelligent conversation with them or read a book and expect them to do their own thing, you have to put them first and they often need help with personal care.
If you aren’t in charge of the child you still have to accept they will interrupt, likely cry about something or have an opinion about something they know absolutely nothing about.

I prefer adult only spaces and to spend time with friends without their children, I have nieces and nephews who I have no choice to spend time with but they haven’t been brought up well and are spoilt so I only spend time with them when necessary. When they were babies and toddlers before their personality started to emerge I was bored to tears with them, I hated playing the same games and answering the same questions over and over, I got frustrated by the repetitiveness engaging with them.
Children have awful hygiene as they know no better when they are young. They often have snotty noses, are sticky, scratch their bums and touch things, they are very often incontinent.

I haven’t met ALL children but I imagine the reasons I prefer not to be around them applies to most - if not all of them.
I don’t wish harm on them, I would help a child if needed and if I have to spend time with them I’d be kind. I don’t tell people I don’t like children for no reason but I do if people keep asking why I don’t have any. I find it amusing that if I do mention that I’m not keen on them that it appears to offend some people and yet I’ve heard many people say they only like their own and not other peoples and that seems to be acceptable.

Everyone has been a child - old people, ginger people, Jewish people, black and disabled people, it’s not the same to say disliking children is the same as other groups as it’s not singling out anyone - including myself.
Yes I was a child once but I don’t think that is a valid argument as I don’t take offence that people might have disliked me just because I wasn’t an adult, I’d expect that I’ve matured since then and people feel differently, I’m not always convinced but I do hope so 😂.

As for the people who assume all childfree people use this to hide our jealousy and cover up our longing and desperation for not having reproduced, do you not think childfree people actively prevent having kids? I have friends who have been sterilised to prevent pregnancy, have had abortions or are obsessive about contraception. It’s not every woman's desperate desire to have babies, some of us really mean it when we say we don’t like kids and don’t want them.

I wonder why the some of the people on this thread are so offended by people by people not liking kids? how does it affect them? You like yours and that’s all that matters. There isn’t a single person who said they would be nasty to a child, they just don’t want to be around them.
I have heard some of my friends with children bemoan the lack of a “village” in raising their kids and expecting more help from people, I have been expected to be part of this “village” in the past. What they don’t seem to understand is you get out of the village what you put in, you can’t just expect strangers to want to help raise your child for nothing in return - especially when you get angry when they stop asking little Jonny to stop kicking your plane seat or to sit round and stop running round in a busy restaurant so they don’t get scalded.

I read most of the comments on this thread (bad case of insomnia) I was mainly waiting for a good reason as to why it’s so wrong to dislike children without it just offending people personally because it’s not the same as what they think. I haven’t seen a single good reason that someone else hasn’t had a better argument for.
This of course is only my opinion, I’m entitled to that opinion though and i’m not going to call anyone bitter, stupid, bigoted, a narcissist, ageist or a psychopath in return.

TheHerboriste · 18/05/2025 03:51

Dingalingalong · 18/05/2025 02:58

I’m talking socially, not legally.

Normal people understand the difference.

Tootleytoo · 18/05/2025 03:06

SquashedMallow · 17/05/2025 10:44

I think it's a cold and crass thing to say. I think less of people that say it.

Personally, I think it comes from a place of older women pretending they never wanted children but deep down they would have liked it, it just never happened for them for one reason or another and they become inbittered.

It's a sad person that cannot tolerate the laughter and playfulness of young children.

Good lord! You think that anyone who says they don't like children is just pretending, because they secretly wanted children and is just bitter because they couldn't have them?!?!?!?

Get a grip!

Dingalingalong · 18/05/2025 02:58

TheHerboriste · 18/05/2025 02:14

Children are not equal to adults. They don’t have equivalent responsibilities or accountability, and they don’t have equivalent rights and privileges.

There is a reason every human society ever has had rites of passage between childhood and adulthood. Children are not just mini adults.

Their presence is neither appropriate nor welcome everywhere.

(childfree flights, performances, cinema, museum hours, restaurants, pubs, etc. sound heavenly. I’d happily pay a significant upcharge for any of them.)

Of course children have equavalient rights to adults. Jesus fucking Christ!
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/united-nations-convention-on-the-rights-of-the-child-uncrc-how-legislation-underpins-implementation-in-england

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC): how legislation underpins implementation in England

Legislation, case law and policy that demonstrate how children's rights, set out in the UNCRC, are protected in England.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/united-nations-convention-on-the-rights-of-the-child-uncrc-how-legislation-underpins-implementation-in-england

Dingalingalong · 18/05/2025 02:54

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 18/05/2025 01:00

Depends on what people find offensive. People say they hate teenagers, which I suppose legally they are children. But people hate lots of things. You can’t police other people’s opinions.

Hating things or hating people are not the same, which is the OP's point. It is actually illegal to encourage the hatred of others, hate speech and discrimination against people. It isn't illegal to hate things.

80smonster · 18/05/2025 02:25

Kids definitely have a different energy to adults, do I enjoy it? Nah, not really. Anyone I know who massively enjoys ‘big kid’ energy maybe feels similarly about adults. Cool.

TheHerboriste · 18/05/2025 02:14

Children are not equal to adults. They don’t have equivalent responsibilities or accountability, and they don’t have equivalent rights and privileges.

There is a reason every human society ever has had rites of passage between childhood and adulthood. Children are not just mini adults.

Their presence is neither appropriate nor welcome everywhere.

(childfree flights, performances, cinema, museum hours, restaurants, pubs, etc. sound heavenly. I’d happily pay a significant upcharge for any of them.)

GreenFriedTomato · 18/05/2025 02:05

I agree with this . Children can be a breath of fresh air and like a new pair of eyes..seeing the world in a way adults have forgotten because life gets rough.

But I want to back to the lady talking about the awfulness of asking for child sections on planes.

Would you let your child kick someone's seat for hours. ? Would you ignore that person when they asked you to control your child? Ignore the flight attendant when they ask?

The :I don't have to put up with other people's children is more than appropriate in this a a scenario

But as I said in my earlier post. The children aren't at fault. It's their parents who think that everyone else should have to fit around their life choices. Demonstrated multiple times on this thread

Vivi0 · 18/05/2025 01:58

GreenFriedTomato · 18/05/2025 01:44

Ridiculous again. I would happily pay for an adult only flight (and I hope the adults would behave)

Comparing those who want parent and child (noisy ) sections to male only flights where woman are put in the hold?

Are you ok?

Do you object to adult only (child free ) hotels?

Is it really so wrong or bad that I want a quiet environment without children running around being very noisy...

That"s what children do and it's lovely, I'd you like that .
But I'm not allowed to say I want a child free space read my book in peace?

Ridiculous again.

Care to elaborate on what is ridiculous, exactly?

Not sharing your perspective doesn’t make something ridiculous.

Comparing those who want parent and child (noisy ) sections to male only flights where woman are put in the hold?

I made zero comparisons. I simply substituted the word “children” for “women”. As you know.

Are you ok?

I’m grand, thanks.

Or were you insinuating that there must be something wrong with me because I have an issue with the language used when talking about children. Language that no one would find acceptable if used to talk about any other group of people.

SuchANight · 18/05/2025 01:48

arethereanyleftatall · 17/05/2025 09:48

I think it’s different from the ‘I don’t like elderly people’ type comparison. Because. And I can’t think how to articulate it. They all have one thing in common and that’s that they haven’t been alive very long with many experiences. So, it is objectively true - for the adults who love discussing inner behaviours for example - to group them all together as a cohort where every single one of them cannot contribute interestingly to a life experience discussion. Whereas, the elderly have lived and have many different experiences, so it’s possible to find some interesting and some not. Whereas for some people, they could meet every child on the planet and not find a single one of them interesting.

I think anyone who thinks they can’t learn something from children is very closed off to experiences and will undoubtedly miss something. Children often have some interesting and fresh perspectives on things, having not yet been made cynical from having much life experience. I think it can be lovely to see young children chatting with older people, they can teach each other so much.

GreenFriedTomato · 18/05/2025 01:44

Vivi0 · 18/05/2025 01:02

I agree with you, OP.

I was reading a thread recently about children on aeroplanes. I’m sure you can imagine the kind of comments that were made on that thread. Some examples:

• There should be adult only flights. I would happily pay for that.

• You might like your children, but no one else needs to tolerate them.

• Nothing worse than boarding a flight, and seeing children sitting next to/behind you.

• There should be a child only section on flights at the back so they can’t disturb other passengers. Actually, children should be in the hold.

No one really seemed to have an issue with any of these comments. There weren’t even said in jest. These were serious comments. Speaking about children as if they are subhuman. Could you imagine wandering onto a male forum, and reading comments like:

• There should be male only flights. I would happily pay for that.

• You might like your wife, but no one else needs to tolerate her.

• Nothing worse than boarding a flight, and seeing a woman sitting next to/behind you.

• There should be a woman only section on flights at the back so they can’t disturb other passengers. Actually, women should be in the hold.

Even other men would be challenging these kinds of comments.

But it’s apparently acceptable for women to speak about children in this way.

Ridiculous again. I would happily pay for an adult only flight (and I hope the adults would behave)

Comparing those who want parent and child (noisy ) sections to male only flights where woman are put in the hold?

Are you ok?

Do you object to adult only (child free ) hotels?

Is it really so wrong or bad that I want a quiet environment without children running around being very noisy...

That"s what children do and it's lovely, I'd you like that .
But I'm not allowed to say I want a child free space read my book in peace?

SuchANight · 18/05/2025 01:43

I‘ve known a few people who have said this, I think they think they’re being edgy as they wait for the shocked faces when they say it.

One seemed disappointed when I just said ‘oh right’ and then they started telling me why. When I still didn’t react, they said ‘are you shocked?’ They clearly wanted a reaction but I just thought they were stupid for writing off a whole group of people. A group that would turn what, 18, 21, 25 and then these child haters would suddenly consider liking them? It’s just bizarre.

CJsGoldfish · 18/05/2025 01:27

Rumbley · 17/05/2025 20:05

I reckon the backdrop of the OP’s thread is that she’s just overheard someone say that they don’t like children, pointedly referring to her children.

OPs child is a baby so more likely someone hasn't acknowledged that she has the most beautiful baby ever to be born. 😆

But I'd hazard a guess and say that those most bothered by it probably have the children that evoke 'those' feelings. You can hear it in the language used 🤷‍♀️
Throwing Naziism in there was takiing it a tad too far though 🙄
I've had a few children, love them, they're fab, but I don't particularly like other children that much. It's not even 'children' really, it's the parents that ruin it by raising entitled children with no boundaries, no manners and no consideration of others in social situations. So, if there is an option of 'child free', I'm absolutely going to take it. Just wish there were more childfree options but parents get so wound up if their precious darlings can't go everywhere and anywhere.

People are also not engaging with how socially acceptable it is to say you dislike children
But 'people' have. 'You', as in the general offended 'you' just don't accept any other viewpoints 🤷‍♀️

VashtaNerada · 18/05/2025 01:04

All children are different. I see it as a fairly ignorant comment tbh. YANBU.

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 18/05/2025 01:04

vickylou78 · 18/05/2025 00:36

Thing is it's fine to not like something or not enjoy them. Children are really only interesting to their own family. No one is saying that they want them to come to any harm or anything.

My boss has chosen to be child free, she doesn't like children and says it often. It doesn't offend me at all. I have children. I know what she means and I understand why she goes on adult only holidays etc.

Why is this so hard to understand?
The people saying they don't like children aren't anti children or discriminating against them. they just dislike them as a group due to them being loud, annoying etc. but I'm sure even they like some specific children!

Edited

What Op originally said was “people” she didn’t use the word Childfree which I suspect is who she was really on about it. And then other people started to bring up Childfree people hating children…plenty of parents hate children. I suspect someone, probably a Childfree person has pissed her off and she’s needing validation on her choices. Hence the goady post 🙄 why do you care? It’s literally doesn’t affect your life. I don’t get offended when people say something that I have chosen to do.

Vivi0 · 18/05/2025 01:02

BirdPlanet · 17/05/2025 23:46

People are also not engaging with how socially acceptable it is to say you dislike children. There may be those who dislike women or the elderly or gay people etc etc, but this is not socially acceptable to say. When it comes to children though, it seems perfectly fine to say you dislike them, as if they're not even humans (they've been compared to animals and inanimate objects quite a few times on this thread) - look how many people have said it on this thread!

I agree with you, OP.

I was reading a thread recently about children on aeroplanes. I’m sure you can imagine the kind of comments that were made on that thread. Some examples:

• There should be adult only flights. I would happily pay for that.

• You might like your children, but no one else needs to tolerate them.

• Nothing worse than boarding a flight, and seeing children sitting next to/behind you.

• There should be a child only section on flights at the back so they can’t disturb other passengers. Actually, children should be in the hold.

No one really seemed to have an issue with any of these comments. There weren’t even said in jest. These were serious comments. Speaking about children as if they are subhuman. Could you imagine wandering onto a male forum, and reading comments like:

• There should be male only flights. I would happily pay for that.

• You might like your wife, but no one else needs to tolerate her.

• Nothing worse than boarding a flight, and seeing a woman sitting next to/behind you.

• There should be a woman only section on flights at the back so they can’t disturb other passengers. Actually, women should be in the hold.

Even other men would be challenging these kinds of comments.

But it’s apparently acceptable for women to speak about children in this way.

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 18/05/2025 01:00

Shwish · 17/05/2025 09:44

I don't like elderly people. They're slow and get in the way and hold up queues unnecessarily in the post office when they decide to go in for a long chat at lunchtime.
Oh wait that's offensive.
(I don't mean this by the way I have no particular view about any age of people, just showing how it sounds the other way around)

Depends on what people find offensive. People say they hate teenagers, which I suppose legally they are children. But people hate lots of things. You can’t police other people’s opinions.

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