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SATS cheating - by the Head!

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Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:16

In my DC’s final SATS exam yesterday, the headteacher was overseeing and they picked up DC’s paper, DURING the exam, flicked through it, then rubbed out one of the answers and told DC to try again. They also pointed out another wrong answer and indicated DC should re-do that question.

This is clear cut cheating, right?

YABU - don’t report it, the whole year group could get their SATS voided and they’ll be devastated
YANBU - this is appalling and the Head needs to be investigated

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IButtleSir · 17/05/2025 21:22

Strictly1 · 17/05/2025 19:02

Well I would not have a room with one person in as you’re setting yourself up for a fall.

Okay, but are you actually in charge of administering the KS2 SATs at a primary/junior school? Because if not, your opinion is irrelevant.

Joyunlimited · 17/05/2025 21:20

Snackathon · 17/05/2025 21:17

Maybe the other governors will do it for you 😊

Doubt it. I have sorted out a GB that was previously failing, got praised by Ofsted, am pretty popular, and no-one else wants to do it.

Snackathon · 17/05/2025 21:17

Joyunlimited · 17/05/2025 21:15

Meaning I have no intention of following your suggestion.

Maybe the other governors will do it for you 😊

Joyunlimited · 17/05/2025 21:15

Snackathon · 17/05/2025 21:12

meaning?

Meaning I have no intention of following your suggestion.

Snackathon · 17/05/2025 21:12

Joyunlimited · 17/05/2025 21:10

Dream on.

meaning?

Joyunlimited · 17/05/2025 21:10

Snackathon · 17/05/2025 21:09

Unacceptable.

Whatever anyone else on the thread thinks is morally the right thing to do, if you are unable to be objective due to your prior experience as a HT, you should not be a CoG (or a governor at all)

What else are you applying your own ‘moral compass’ to vs procedurally what should be happening? Bit of harassment but sure they didn’t mean it? Bit of non-compliance on safeguarding but everyone’s busy and it’s a difficult role right?

You are not independent and should step down.

Dream on.

Snackathon · 17/05/2025 21:09

Joyunlimited · 17/05/2025 16:57

If you want to send it to the Governors, send it to the Chair (you can usually do this via the school office if you don’t know their email address). However, I disagree with the poster who said to keep it very brief. The more details the Chair has, the more it will help him/her decide what to do.

Sending it to the Chair ramps up the seriousness. What he/she will do is up to them. Depending on their integrity and their relationship with the Head, they might just ignore it, though they would probably feel obliged to discuss it with the Head, who might of course assure them that it’s all nonsense. Whether they took it further and reported it would again be up to them.

You could of course address your email to the Head but copy in the CoG; that way you’d be more likely to get a response, but if you don’t want it reported to the STA you’d be running that risk.

Having been a HT I'm now a Chair of Governors and would hate to have to make a decision like that! Personally, tbh I would probably decide not to take it further, in the knowledge that the Head had received a big shock even if they didn’t admit it, though I acknowledge that this might not be the most moral thing to do.

Unacceptable.

Whatever anyone else on the thread thinks is morally the right thing to do, if you are unable to be objective due to your prior experience as a HT, you should not be a CoG (or a governor at all)

What else are you applying your own ‘moral compass’ to vs procedurally what should be happening? Bit of harassment but sure they didn’t mean it? Bit of non-compliance on safeguarding but everyone’s busy and it’s a difficult role right?

You are not independent and should step down.

Littlefish · 17/05/2025 20:58

AngelinaFibres · 17/05/2025 19:00

ALL schools cheat on Sat's. ALL OF THEM.

This is not true. Where is your evidence?

Littlefish · 17/05/2025 20:56

DidStart · 16/05/2025 21:34

I would report too. Unfair advantage. Headteacher is very well aware of the rules.

Part of my role is to monitor the administration of SATs, unannounced visits, checking against the strict guidance.

I also have a role in investigating maladministration.

@Dilemmaramma report here.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-report-maladministration-at-key-stage-1-and-key-stage-2

I have a similar role and would also report it.

K8Davidson · 17/05/2025 20:45

Middleagedstriker · 16/05/2025 21:53

Sorry but this really made me laugh. My friend and I had the discussion today about how private schools definitely cheat on their results and you seem to be adding a bit of evidence to that!
Morally OP it is wrong I would probably write a letter to the school and left it there

My friend used to work as an English teacher at a private school and told me that during Covid, she placed a child at a C level for GCSE. She informed the HT.

The HT then inflated the child’s English grade to an A and signed it off. I doubt it was the HT’s first time doing this…

Teateaandmoretea · 17/05/2025 20:22

sakuraspring · 17/05/2025 19:21

If it's such bollocks then why cheat?

It's such an utterly dreadful example to set children. Mine lost all respect for their headteacher after seeing her cheat like this. And so has a lot of the wider community after hearing about it through their children etc.

Plus my son thinks his (now former) head is extra daft as when she corrected his nearby friends maths question she got the answer wrong Grin(DS is a proper maths nerd and so is his over friend who overheard) . So she's a bit of a joke to our family now.

Because schools are judged on it.

But SATs have zero benefits for the kids.

Globules · 17/05/2025 20:20

AngelinaFibres · 17/05/2025 19:00

ALL schools cheat on Sat's. ALL OF THEM.

We really don't

1SillySossij · 17/05/2025 19:38

Melancholyflower · 17/05/2025 19:11

Mine doesn't.

Mine doesn't. I teach year 6 and am the main sats person. I err on the side of caution if anything, getting caught cheating is a career ending decision. Why would I do that? What's in it for me?

sakuraspring · 17/05/2025 19:21

Teateaandmoretea · 17/05/2025 19:13

To some extent yes. But the whole point is it’s utter bollocks. I realise that doesn’t help 100% honest primary schools it also doesn’t help the secondaries who get loads of kids with inflated grades either who then struggle with progress 8 as a result. As the old saying goes - there are lies, damn lies and statistics.

If it's such bollocks then why cheat?

It's such an utterly dreadful example to set children. Mine lost all respect for their headteacher after seeing her cheat like this. And so has a lot of the wider community after hearing about it through their children etc.

Plus my son thinks his (now former) head is extra daft as when she corrected his nearby friends maths question she got the answer wrong Grin(DS is a proper maths nerd and so is his over friend who overheard) . So she's a bit of a joke to our family now.

Teateaandmoretea · 17/05/2025 19:13

To some extent yes. But the whole point is it’s utter bollocks. I realise that doesn’t help 100% honest primary schools it also doesn’t help the secondaries who get loads of kids with inflated grades either who then struggle with progress 8 as a result. As the old saying goes - there are lies, damn lies and statistics.

Melancholyflower · 17/05/2025 19:11

AngelinaFibres · 17/05/2025 19:00

ALL schools cheat on Sat's. ALL OF THEM.

Mine doesn't.

AngelinaFibres · 17/05/2025 19:09

StickyCoffee · 17/05/2025 18:02

It really shocks me how many teachers behave. I work in the NHS and we have such high standards of probity and governance that we are expected to adhere to. There is no way that I could get away with this low level of ethical behaviour. Yet here so many teachers are actively supporting it. Shocking. Whether SATs are important or not is irrelevant. This is cheating.

Aha hahaha. Oh God hold my drink so I don't spill it whilst I piss myself laughing.

sakuraspring · 17/05/2025 19:06

Melancholyflower · 17/05/2025 19:04

You do know not all schools have the same layout/ play areas, don't you?

I think it is disgusting that some schools think it is appropriate to make children cram for the tests during SATs week, and even worse if they are coaching some children just before each test, in full knowledge of the content. Some schools/teachers must be really shit inadequate, and they know it!

Of course I am aware of that. I was just explaining what goes on at my daughter's school.

And yes I agreed this kind of panicked cramming suggests the teachers feel their teaching during the year was inadequate. I am very cross about it. But we don't have much choice over schools where we are. It was a nice school when my children started but then we had a change of head. The new one came with lots of commendations for her ability to "rapidly improve results". Well, we know why now.

Bertielong3 · 17/05/2025 19:05

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sakuraspring · 17/05/2025 19:04

AngelinaFibres · 17/05/2025 19:00

ALL schools cheat on Sat's. ALL OF THEM.

Really?

I mean it sounds like most do cheat judging by the shocking ratio of people defending this behaviour to those criticising it.

Do none of these teachers stop and think about what kind of message is being sent to the children?

What awful role models

Melancholyflower · 17/05/2025 19:04

sakuraspring · 17/05/2025 17:27

The kids in the other years go and play in the infants playground

My daughter was being "coached" all morning until she did her sats. She's very upset about it as she was tired before she even began her tests.

Once the test was over they were all back doing more revision sessions for the next test.

It's grim and I am very cross about it. Even without the cheating by the head (which both my children and some of my friends children have reported) it's a completely over the top approach to these tests

You do know not all schools have the same layout/ play areas, don't you?

I think it is disgusting that some schools think it is appropriate to make children cram for the tests during SATs week, and even worse if they are coaching some children just before each test, in full knowledge of the content. Some schools/teachers must be really shit inadequate, and they know it!

Strictly1 · 17/05/2025 19:02

IButtleSir · 17/05/2025 16:28

And I'm now correcting this for the fifth time!

The guidance recommends that there is more than one adult per room; it does not necessitate it.

No school I've ever worked at (four schools) has ever had more than one adult to a room- not because anyone was cheating, but because we just couldn't lay our hands on enough adults to do this.

Well I would not have a room with one person in as you’re setting yourself up for a fall.

Tripadvisor101 · 17/05/2025 19:01

AngelinaFibres · 17/05/2025 19:00

ALL schools cheat on Sat's. ALL OF THEM.

Absolutely not true.

AngelinaFibres · 17/05/2025 19:00

XWKD · 17/05/2025 18:45

It's appalling behaviour. It's cheating.

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ALL schools cheat on Sat's. ALL OF THEM.

AngelinaFibres · 17/05/2025 18:58

Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:22

I would hope that reporting it would result in procedures being put in place so that this wouldn’t ever happen again.

I was a teacher for 20 years. It happened in every school I worked in in both Yr 2 and Yr 6 Sats; either with the knowledge of the Head or done by the Head in person .As with all aspects of life, some people are better at cheating than others.