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SATS cheating - by the Head!

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Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:16

In my DC’s final SATS exam yesterday, the headteacher was overseeing and they picked up DC’s paper, DURING the exam, flicked through it, then rubbed out one of the answers and told DC to try again. They also pointed out another wrong answer and indicated DC should re-do that question.

This is clear cut cheating, right?

YABU - don’t report it, the whole year group could get their SATS voided and they’ll be devastated
YANBU - this is appalling and the Head needs to be investigated

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MaryGreenhill · 16/05/2025 22:04

Sats are ridiculous. They tested my August born child and predicted she would have a 50% chance of getting 5 GCSEs 🙄
She got 12 GCSEs and 4 A levels all excellent grades .
She then did an honours degree course in Primary teaching with QT Status .
Gaining a first .
So l wouldn't take them to task OP for erasing and prompting. It's all nonsense and sounds like the head teacher knows it too .

DidStart · 16/05/2025 22:03

IButtleSir · 16/05/2025 21:51

Where did you get this idea from? Of course the head can be alone in a room with children.

Not during SATS. Strict administration rules means at least two adults, all with administration training must be present at all times. Good practice is to have a governor overseeing too. Schools often have volunteer parents attending.

Even the SATS papers are moved, counted, packaged with two adults present at all times.
If the storage cupboard is opened at any point this also has to be logged and double signed.

It really is a huge system.

CyanSquid · 16/05/2025 22:02

Another secondary school teacher here who’s had experience of children with high KS2 prior attainment scores that definitely don’t reflect their ability, and a few instances of children telling of ‘help’ from TA/teacher/scribe etc. Obviously you can’t believe everything teenagers say but I can definitely believe it happens!

FWIW in my school SATs scores are taken into account with setting and predicted grades too

1SillySossij · 16/05/2025 22:02

You can report but it will be your dc's word against the Head and the TA's.what will probably happen is that they will probably be moderated next year.

CalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 16/05/2025 22:02

I’d report it.

Theunamedcat · 16/05/2025 22:01

Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:25

My understanding is that some secondary schools assign sets based on SATS scores, and they’re also used to predict GCSE grades. So if a child has scored higher than they should have, it’s not particularly helpful really, as they may be placed in the ‘wrong’ set, or be under pressure to attain unrealistic grades. I don’t see this as having ‘helped’ my child at all.

Predicted results will be changed by their own tests my kids secondary schools repeated sat testing after they had started plus there is a lot of set movements in year 7=8

sakuraspring · 16/05/2025 22:01

JasmineAllen · 16/05/2025 21:51

@Dilemmaramma
I have 3 children who have done SATS. None of their schools took any notice of them. In fact 2 school actually told me what waste of time they were as a predictive tool for achievement.

The only thing SATS are used for is scoring schools, not the pupils. That's why the head is so keen for the students to do well.

You could report the head but personally I wouldn't about something so inconsequential.

Cheating isn't "inconsequential". It's a monstrous example to set children. And these Headteachers are making themselves look good at the expense of honest ones

IButtleSir · 16/05/2025 22:01

Orangesinthebag · 16/05/2025 21:52

Not in SATS tests, there have to be two people in the testing room at all times.

That is definitely not true.

There are tons of "testing rooms" when the SATs take place so that children who need a reader or one-to-one can be alone with them and not distracted by others. The spouses and parents of teachers often come in to be the readers and one-to-ones because there just aren't enough members of staff. There definitely aren't enough members of staff or willing volunteers for each room (we used 12 this week, to give you an idea) to have more than one adult in them!

TheFrendo · 16/05/2025 22:00

Report it.

sakuraspring · 16/05/2025 22:00

I find it fascinating, and rather telling, that people are trying to convince the op not to report.

I think it's time for independent invigilation of SATS. (Or we just scrap them)

Mumofoneandone · 16/05/2025 22:00

Not acceptable and needs reporting, simple as that. It's cheating by the head and it is serious.

viques · 16/05/2025 21:59

I know of at least four headteachers who have colluded in SATs cheating. One got away with it ( an infant school) three , KS2, were sacked for gross misconduct. I think it is far more common than assumed, headteachers are under huge pressure, and in a small school a couple of pupils not achieving their predicted grades can skew the statistics, which makes them do stupid things.

Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:58

Tiswa · 16/05/2025 21:58

They had a parent of a year 6 child as the invigilator

Yes, her child was in a different room

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Drawings · 16/05/2025 21:58

For me it’s a none issue. The SATs mean nothing other than too the school. It’s a measurement of progress from foundation. Helping them on two questions won’t affect their overall score massively so it’s not like a working towards kid is then going to be placed in greater depth in secondary.

Only time I would say something is if the child is SEN and trying to gather data for a diagnosis etc

My old secondary school did entrance exams in year 7 to place into sets which was better

sakuraspring · 16/05/2025 21:58

The head teacher of DDs school was doing it this week, and she did it when my son was at the school doing SATS two years ago.

I reported it two years ago (my son told me in great detail, she was rubbing out answers, spelling out words etc, and two of his friends both told their mums (my close friends)) the same story.

I think I should report it again this time but I feel quite demoralised that nothing happened last time.

It's absolutely outrageous that headteachers are not only prepared to cheat for their own gain but also are prepared to set such an example to children

Tiswa · 16/05/2025 21:58

They had a parent of a year 6 child as the invigilator

JoyousEagle · 16/05/2025 21:57

I’m surprised so many people think this doesn’t happen tbh.

JojoM1981 · 16/05/2025 21:56

It's not great is it. Sats are more for the school's benefit so he's changing the results to make the school look better. Not on.

MidnightScroller · 16/05/2025 21:55

I’m with you OP - it’s abhorrent. Not so much the impact of the cheating itself but the effect on the children who’ve seen their supposed moral leader cheat in a nationally important assessment.
presumably your DC would have been in terrible trouble if they’d been caught trying to copy answers off mates or cheat in some other way? Yet the head expects to just get away with it. It’s disgusting tbh.
i think Id have a quiet word with the head and say Ive heard from a few children that thought they saw you helping children in the test. I’m sure they were mistaken but I’ve told parents in the younger year groups to look out for this because if this happens again and Dfe/Ofsted find out there would be very serious consequences for the school and all the children. Hopefully that would put the shitters up them without actually causing trouble for the school.

Fuckitydoodah · 16/05/2025 21:55

My eldest DC was placed in a high set maths class when he started secondary last year. He started to struggle quite early on. When we discussed it with him, he said 'the only reason I'm in that group is because Mr D kept whispering/pointing to the right answers when he walked past me during the maths SAT paper'.

I've come to realise Mr D doesn't want the results to reflect badly on him.

I think there's a lot of pressure on year 6 teachers to get good results from their class.

Riaanna · 16/05/2025 21:54

KIlliePieMyOhMy · 16/05/2025 21:31

Sorry SATS are used as predictions for GCSEs that take place 5 years later.
That's crazy, if true.

They are part of an algorithm used to generate target grades. Post code is too.

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Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:53

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DC was mortified because the head told them they were being really slow in writing out the times table, and a couple of friends commented on it afterwards.

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Devonshiregal · 16/05/2025 21:53

miniworry · 16/05/2025 21:20

Why on earth would you want to report it when he's helped your own child?! As an independent school headteacher, I believe sats are totally and utterly abhorrent - putting 10 & 11 year olds through such pressure for something that secondary schools will likely ignore anyway when they start!

Independent schools aren’t exactly known for their laid back attitude? And are also very good at fudging things for the sake of looking good…

not that I disagree, most exams are stupid but what does it have to do with state vs independent?

Middleagedstriker · 16/05/2025 21:53

miniworry · 16/05/2025 21:20

Why on earth would you want to report it when he's helped your own child?! As an independent school headteacher, I believe sats are totally and utterly abhorrent - putting 10 & 11 year olds through such pressure for something that secondary schools will likely ignore anyway when they start!

Sorry but this really made me laugh. My friend and I had the discussion today about how private schools definitely cheat on their results and you seem to be adding a bit of evidence to that!
Morally OP it is wrong I would probably write a letter to the school and left it there

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