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SATS cheating - by the Head!

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Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:16

In my DC’s final SATS exam yesterday, the headteacher was overseeing and they picked up DC’s paper, DURING the exam, flicked through it, then rubbed out one of the answers and told DC to try again. They also pointed out another wrong answer and indicated DC should re-do that question.

This is clear cut cheating, right?

YABU - don’t report it, the whole year group could get their SATS voided and they’ll be devastated
YANBU - this is appalling and the Head needs to be investigated

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JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 19/05/2025 11:17

A local primary school posted on social media about the Saturday revision classes they ran for SATs! I couldn’t believe what I was reading. Why on earth are they doing this? What purpose does it serve? It just makes lots of children stressed and upset about tests when they don’t need to be. Absolutely absurd. No SATS happened during Covid. Funnily enough everyone seems to have managed to function just fine without them.

IButtleSir · 18/05/2025 20:31

Jessie3 · 18/05/2025 11:48

They wouldn’t need to be DBSed, as they wouldn’t be alone with children as a second invigilator.

Okay, I am happy to change my comment to:

"As well as understanding the difficulties of finding enough willing, available adults to have more than one person per room in a school with 96 Year 6 children and a fairly high proportion of children with SEN, which necessitates using a large number of rooms."

I'm not convinced that makes the task significantly easier to achieve.

Jessie3 · 18/05/2025 19:47

Rubbish - I can name three locally who do. Depends on the school.

Shadowdawn · 18/05/2025 19:44

If this happened relax. Secondary schools do not use sat results to set children. Secondary schools hate sats. They know kids have had a year of intense coaching to pass these tests designed solely for the benefit of the school and not for the pupils. What usually happens is staff enjoy scoffing at the results, bin them and either make the kids sit cat tests in the first couple of weeks or end of term.

Sats really ought to be abolished. They serve no purpose other than to make the school look good on paper. The kids spend a year being spoon fed on how to pass a test & getting stressed out rather than actually learning.

Do your kid a favour. Chill. Let her know she’s gonna have to sit a test at secondary school without being coached for a year so they can assess her real level.

Thisismyalterego · 18/05/2025 18:53

I am a TA and have been involved in year 6 SATs for many years. In our school we stagger the tests so that all children who need a reader or scribe, have one. We also have at least two adults in every room. It requires some juggling of the timetable, especially on Wednesday when there are two maths papers, but it can be, and was, done. Because ours is an old school, it was fairly easy to keep the two main groups apart until the tests were completion each day.
Everyone involved with the tests had training and we were all given a copy of the rules regarding administering them. It was very clearly stated in the rules and reiterated verbally by the HT, that adults were NOT to give the children any clues as to whether there answers were correct or otherwise. IMO, the HT in the OPs school breached that rule. It doesn't matter what we think individually about SATs and their importance, or how serious this HTs actions were, or what impact reporting it could have, their actions were in breach of the rules and therefore should be reported. I would report and I would expect to be reported if I had done this. SATs maynor may net be important, integrity is.

Mischance · 18/05/2025 18:08

But as a kid. Like genuinely I don't see why they'd care as they have no impact in further life.

But sadly the children do finish up caring/getting anxious in those schools who make a big thing of it. And the parents start to worry and convey that to their children. This is what is so pernicious about it all. All that worry and upset over something that is total nonsense.

I run an arts festival and 2 of the boys who always take part on the Saturday did not because SATs were the following week and their parents were worried about it. How ridiculous - to miss out on an annual weekend activity that they love because of SATs!

Mischance · 18/05/2025 18:01

Tekknonan · 18/05/2025 17:24

Judging schools on their exam results is why so many schools are jumping kids through exam techniques hoops rather than educating them. All SATs show is that some kids can pass SATs, not a skill you're going to use outsdie of school. The teacher didn't give your son the right answer, he just spotted a wrong one and suggest he try again. Silly fuss about nothing.

Indeed so!

JudgeJ · 18/05/2025 18:01

WonderingWanda · 18/05/2025 12:55

I'm not allowed in the exam room with my gcse students so there is no cheating going on.

I'm sure that as HOD I was always in the Hall for the GCSE mainly in case there's a problem that others couldn't deal with and also to dole out all the equipment, ie pen. pencil, ruler etc., that the pupils couldn't be bothered to bring! The biggest problem was the Head of Special Needs who was far too helpful in the area where the children allowed extra time and a reader sat.

Rabhhhd · 18/05/2025 17:46

Dilemmaramma · 18/05/2025 15:27

Do you think the kids and teachers would be pretty upset? I’m assuming they would, after all their hard work. It feels so unfair, after all it would be through no fault of their own.

Teachers maybe. But as a kid. Like genuinely I don't see why they'd care as they have no impact in further life.

StickyCoffee · 18/05/2025 17:27

Tripadvisor101 · 17/05/2025 18:30

You're saying NHS staff never do things wrong? Haha. My consultant once blamed me for not taking a medication that he hadn't even prescribed me and hadn't even spoken to me about. I missed out on taking it for 18 months because he made a mistake which has impacted on my long term health. He wouldn't apologise and continued to deny any fault on his part.

You misunderstand me. NHS staff do things wrong all the time. But they should be challenged and I would not support them getting away with it. If a fellow colleague broke some guidelines, I would absolutely think they should be reported and it managed appropriately. My issue is that I do not support unethical behaviours in my colleagues.

Tekknonan · 18/05/2025 17:24

Judging schools on their exam results is why so many schools are jumping kids through exam techniques hoops rather than educating them. All SATs show is that some kids can pass SATs, not a skill you're going to use outsdie of school. The teacher didn't give your son the right answer, he just spotted a wrong one and suggest he try again. Silly fuss about nothing.

sakuraspring · 18/05/2025 16:55

Ellie56 · 18/05/2025 15:04

I used to work in Y6 and one year there was an investigation because someone had made an allegation about staff helping the children/cheating. I suspect it was a whistle blower in the school as it was common knowledge that the SLT would always invigilate the children who were borderline.

We were all interviewed, but we still got our results as usual.

I think there would have to be substantial evidence of cheating for a whole year group's results to be voided. Eg several children's papers where answers have clearly been altered by someone else.

Did SLT change their behaviour at all after that?

noworklifebalance · 18/05/2025 16:55

Dilemmaramma · 18/05/2025 15:27

Do you think the kids and teachers would be pretty upset? I’m assuming they would, after all their hard work. It feels so unfair, after all it would be through no fault of their own.

That’s all on the HT, not you.
The “unfairness”has already happened - to those who did not receive any help either in your son’s school or at others.

JustSawJohnny · 18/05/2025 16:26

Dilemmaramma · 18/05/2025 11:15

I’m pretty sure the education is supppsed to happen before the exam rather than during it….

ETA this was in response to @mischance

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You're absolutely right, OP.

Whatever people's opinions on SATs are, they are official tests and the Head really over-stepped. Everyone in schools is well aware of the rules around official testing.

I'm glad you're going to raise it with him. Make sure you mention that other kids saw/heard and are speaking about it, or he might try to accuse DD of lying.

If he's desperate enough to take risks like this, he's desperate enough to dig his heals in.

Hopefully your conversation will give him pause and stop him repeating these actions in future.

Dilemmaramma · 18/05/2025 15:27

Rabhhhd · 18/05/2025 15:25

If a years SATS scores are invalidated it doesn't negatively impact anyone later on in life. They aren't GCSEs.

Do you think the kids and teachers would be pretty upset? I’m assuming they would, after all their hard work. It feels so unfair, after all it would be through no fault of their own.

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Rabhhhd · 18/05/2025 15:25

If a years SATS scores are invalidated it doesn't negatively impact anyone later on in life. They aren't GCSEs.

Dilemmaramma · 18/05/2025 15:24

Hippywannabe · 18/05/2025 12:36

You have made the wrong decision.

I guess I can still change my mind. This is where I currently am. Reporting is an irreversible decision. Not reporting isn’t, if you see what I mean?

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Someone2025 · 18/05/2025 15:16

Dilemmaramma · 18/05/2025 14:46

My decision is mostly about not wanting the whole year group to have their scores voided. So I don’t think that would change my decision.

You have made the right decision

Ellie56 · 18/05/2025 15:04

Dilemmaramma · 18/05/2025 14:46

My decision is mostly about not wanting the whole year group to have their scores voided. So I don’t think that would change my decision.

I used to work in Y6 and one year there was an investigation because someone had made an allegation about staff helping the children/cheating. I suspect it was a whistle blower in the school as it was common knowledge that the SLT would always invigilate the children who were borderline.

We were all interviewed, but we still got our results as usual.

I think there would have to be substantial evidence of cheating for a whole year group's results to be voided. Eg several children's papers where answers have clearly been altered by someone else.

JudgeJ · 18/05/2025 14:54

Azdcgbjml · 16/05/2025 21:24

I would report it but then when I worked in primary school the integrity of the SATs was taken extremely seriously. Schools cheating are being very unfair to those that don't.

When SATs first started, so a long time ago, Primary schools didn't have as much experience of external exams as the High schools. My OH, a marker, got a batch with a note from the Head saying that after the allotted time a line had been drawn under each child's work and then they could continue to finish the Paper! When OH passed this up the line he was told to mark the whole Paper just like the rest.

Dilemmaramma · 18/05/2025 14:46

K8Davidson · 18/05/2025 13:19

Out of curiosity OP, if the HT was a class teacher instead, would you still decide not to report him?

My decision is mostly about not wanting the whole year group to have their scores voided. So I don’t think that would change my decision.

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Jessie3 · 18/05/2025 13:31

RTFT, @NeverDropYourMooncup

Jessie3 · 18/05/2025 13:27

It’s just a recommendation. Not a rule. 😉

NeverDropYourMooncup · 18/05/2025 13:22

Jessie3 · 18/05/2025 11:49

Oh, and - you really ought to know that 😉

You really ought to know that it's a really bad idea to let anybody in without checking even in a two-invigilator situation as one may be needed to take a child to the toilet, though.

K8Davidson · 18/05/2025 13:19

Out of curiosity OP, if the HT was a class teacher instead, would you still decide not to report him?