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SATS cheating - by the Head!

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Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:16

In my DC’s final SATS exam yesterday, the headteacher was overseeing and they picked up DC’s paper, DURING the exam, flicked through it, then rubbed out one of the answers and told DC to try again. They also pointed out another wrong answer and indicated DC should re-do that question.

This is clear cut cheating, right?

YABU - don’t report it, the whole year group could get their SATS voided and they’ll be devastated
YANBU - this is appalling and the Head needs to be investigated

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Mischance · 16/05/2025 22:44

Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:22

I would hope that reporting it would result in procedures being put in place so that this wouldn’t ever happen again.

Why? They are totally pointless anyway.

CountFucula · 16/05/2025 22:43

who cares?

most secondaries immediately do CAT tests anyway so it’s all a monumental waste of efforts and time.

can’t believe you’d care all that much and as for reporting it WOW. they probably knew it was an error your child made in haste and gave them a steer.

wait til you find out how many primary schools fudge the phonics testing ;)

JoyousEagle · 16/05/2025 22:43

Straightjacketsandroses · 16/05/2025 22:40

I’m fairly sure I know which question you’re referring to, and honestly, if I’m right (which I think I am), your child is a borderline and that extra mark may have made all the difference between them passing or failing. I can’t really understand why you’d report the school for allegedly cheating when it was your own child. Honestly chill out. Don’t be that parent

I think “that parent” is a parent being difficult for the sake of it, or thinking rules don’t apply to their precious baby. I don’t think being unhappy about cheating is being “that parent”. Unless you’d basically class any complaint from a parent as being unreasonable.

Soontobe60 · 16/05/2025 22:42

Straightjacketsandroses · 16/05/2025 22:40

I’m fairly sure I know which question you’re referring to, and honestly, if I’m right (which I think I am), your child is a borderline and that extra mark may have made all the difference between them passing or failing. I can’t really understand why you’d report the school for allegedly cheating when it was your own child. Honestly chill out. Don’t be that parent

There is no ‘pass or fail’ in SATs.

Soontobe60 · 16/05/2025 22:42

Scentedjasmin · 16/05/2025 22:21

I would report it but only once your child has left and is settled in secondary school and there is no chance of them having to resit them.

That’s not what happens. For those of you interested, it is possible to report Maladministration to STA. After they receive a report, they may investigate further and as part of that investigation may contact the LA to ask them to also investigate.
At no point are children interviewed, nor are they asked to resit any of the tests. The outcome could be that the results are nulled and the school does not receive scores for that test; the Headteacher could be dismissed for gross misconduct; the school will receive monitoring visits next year or no further action could be taken. I have known schools where all 4 of those actions have happened.

Straightjacketsandroses · 16/05/2025 22:40

Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:30

There was a TA in the room too. DC was mortified, hasn’t mentioned whether others saw the rubbing out, but other children definitely saw/heard the Head telling DC one of the answers was wrong and which times table to write out to help them re-do it - because a couple of them commented to DC afterwards about it

I’m fairly sure I know which question you’re referring to, and honestly, if I’m right (which I think I am), your child is a borderline and that extra mark may have made all the difference between them passing or failing. I can’t really understand why you’d report the school for allegedly cheating when it was your own child. Honestly chill out. Don’t be that parent

JoyousEagle · 16/05/2025 22:39

RareGoalsVerge · 16/05/2025 22:34

YANBU - report it. The children shouldn't be "devastated" because responsible and caring parents and teachers should surely have already told them already that their individual sats results don't matter one bit, it's a test of the school not the child, and so long as they do their best it's fine whatever happens.

But the head teacher should be sacked. Manipulating sats results is directly misleading the government, ofsted and parents as to the capability of the school.

And presumably undermining the capability of the subsequent secondary school, when children with inflated marks don’t do as well as they’d be expected to.

JoyousEagle · 16/05/2025 22:37

CoolShoeshine · 16/05/2025 22:31

This happend.to my ds several years ago, he was sen and borderline pass. A ta sat next to him and gave a very slight shake of the head when he hovvered over an incorrect answer. Immoral yes, but his face when he realised he'd passed was stunning.

I don’t understand. Did the TA tell you they’d done this? I’m assuming not, they wouldn’t have known how you’d react?
But it can’t have been your son, or he wouldn’t have been thrilled when he passed?

Soontobe60 · 16/05/2025 22:37

MathsMagpie · 16/05/2025 21:28

did they actuallly give your child any correct answers? Or just gently suggest they have another go? If the latter, your child will have only subsequently got it right if they were capable of answering it independently and the head has just helped them to dive deep and find the method or answer within themselves.

No, they’ve cheated. The guidance issued is very clear what assistance a child can have - and it certainly doesn’t include telling them when they’ve got an answer wrong.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 16/05/2025 22:37

Chickoletta · 16/05/2025 21:41

👋 Secondary teacher and SLT here. I can promise you that primary SATS are not used to predict GCSE grades. Even if they were, your child’s results are not dependent on a prediction, so it makes FA difference.

Ask your Data Manager what the significance of KS2 data is for Progress 8 measurement and come back to me once they've very patiently explained the significance of the Reading and Maths scores to you.

ilovesooty · 16/05/2025 22:36

HurryUpHilda · 16/05/2025 22:04

I'm astonished by the responses on here. I think most people on here would agree that SATs are well past their sell by date. I'm not sure that gives Primary Heads carte blanche to walk round an exam room changing answers. Would these posters be quite so laissez faire abour Head teachers changing GCSE or, gasp, A Level answers?
Of course they wouldn't, report, report, report.

I'm not particularly surprised. A large cohort of posters have little regard for honesty.

Yellowbluemonday · 16/05/2025 22:35

Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 22:13

No, the head rubbed out the whole answer themselves

Were you in the room?

Soontobe60 · 16/05/2025 22:35

miniworry · 16/05/2025 21:20

Why on earth would you want to report it when he's helped your own child?! As an independent school headteacher, I believe sats are totally and utterly abhorrent - putting 10 & 11 year olds through such pressure for something that secondary schools will likely ignore anyway when they start!

If you are indeed an ‘independent school headteacher’, I’m amazed that you condone cheating and think that doing so should be ignored because they’re ’helping your child’!

Scottishskifun · 16/05/2025 22:35

SATs should have been got rid of years ago!

Your child's 11 year old SATs will not make a difference to GCSE results- unfortunately the year 9 ones do with foundation papers generally if a score below the level etc.

They tend to move kids about between groups in core subjects anyway before year 10.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 16/05/2025 22:35

miniworry · 16/05/2025 21:30

@Dilemmaramma right there lies the problem with state education at the minute- some tests sat at the age of 10 are used to predict what a child will achieve at 16. Talk about putting a ceiling on a child or writing them off...

Exactly. And by cheating, which results in kids ending up with higher targets than their ability will allow them to attain, this Headteacher is not only condemning kids to the disappointment of being permanently lower than their targets, he is also making secondary teachers look as though they are failing those kids. It's an arsehole thing to do.

IttttttssssME · 16/05/2025 22:34

the Headteacher at my DDs school got fired for falsifying SATs results.

OliviaBonas · 16/05/2025 22:34

I think if the TA doesn’t report it and you do, her job could be at risk.

RareGoalsVerge · 16/05/2025 22:34

YANBU - report it. The children shouldn't be "devastated" because responsible and caring parents and teachers should surely have already told them already that their individual sats results don't matter one bit, it's a test of the school not the child, and so long as they do their best it's fine whatever happens.

But the head teacher should be sacked. Manipulating sats results is directly misleading the government, ofsted and parents as to the capability of the school.

CoolShoeshine · 16/05/2025 22:31

This happend.to my ds several years ago, he was sen and borderline pass. A ta sat next to him and gave a very slight shake of the head when he hovvered over an incorrect answer. Immoral yes, but his face when he realised he'd passed was stunning.

Jenasaurus · 16/05/2025 22:31

A teacher at my DS school paid a heavy price for helping his pupils cheat, he ultimately took his own life which was very sad, he was a nice man and was loved by parents and pupils alike, but was caught out and as I say paid the price. This is the article about him. 'I was banned from teaching for helping my pupils cheat' - BBC News

Mark Lotsu

Banned for helping pupils cheat

Penalties given to teachers for cheating rose by 50% between 2015 and 2016.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-41408000

quietlysad · 16/05/2025 22:29

Im with you OP. Cheating is wrong and, whilst I sympathise with all schools that have to go through these ridiculous tests, doing what he did cheats everyone. And you are correct lots of schools use them to ‘set’ children in secondary which makes it even worse.

paddyclampster · 16/05/2025 22:29

It’s shit behaviour on the part of the primary school! Cheating in SATS leads to kids being put in higher sets than they are capable of when they get to secondary, and provide a stick for secondary schools to be beaten with.

ilovesooty · 16/05/2025 22:29

noblegiraffe · 16/05/2025 21:46

Yeah I can believe it. As a secondary teacher I've heard from kids about help being given. We've also had kids with SEN come in with SATs results that in no way reflect their ability and it's obvious that their scribe or reader has significantly helped them in the exams.

So can I. In a discussion with the deputy head in my last school I eventually said "do you want me to write the coursework for them?" He replied "if that's what it takes - yes".

DidStart · 16/05/2025 22:28

And having googled, the Colburn School maladministration mentioned in this article is even more….(stupid).

SalfordQuays · 16/05/2025 22:26

Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:25

My understanding is that some secondary schools assign sets based on SATS scores, and they’re also used to predict GCSE grades. So if a child has scored higher than they should have, it’s not particularly helpful really, as they may be placed in the ‘wrong’ set, or be under pressure to attain unrealistic grades. I don’t see this as having ‘helped’ my child at all.

@Dilemmaramma I’m sure this isn’t true. My understanding is that the SATs are used as a baseline for where the pupil is, and the expected trajectory. If they drop significantly from that trajectory then questions would be asked. They’re certainly not used for GCSE predictions. They do mocks in year 10 for that.

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