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SATS cheating - by the Head!

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Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:16

In my DC’s final SATS exam yesterday, the headteacher was overseeing and they picked up DC’s paper, DURING the exam, flicked through it, then rubbed out one of the answers and told DC to try again. They also pointed out another wrong answer and indicated DC should re-do that question.

This is clear cut cheating, right?

YABU - don’t report it, the whole year group could get their SATS voided and they’ll be devastated
YANBU - this is appalling and the Head needs to be investigated

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sakuraspring · 17/05/2025 01:21

All I can conclude from this thread is that the cheaty teachers were drawn to it like magpies.

I am shocked at all the people tying themselves in knots to justify not reporting it.

User79853257976 · 17/05/2025 01:18

WhoreForSoupDumplings · 16/05/2025 21:27

But don’t you also think that this is all a placebo affect? In that the kids only predicted lower grades due to their SATS score will never be motivated to try hard enough, or be taught well enough to exceeed their predicted grades?

No, because they aren’t told these grades until Year 9 or 10 and other factors go into them too.

MrsKeats · 17/05/2025 01:10

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I deal with parents who try to tell me their child is well-behaved in school.
You really have no idea.

Lrichy13 · 17/05/2025 01:03

I think this head was looking out for their reputation and wanting high results. Did he go around looking at everyone’s papers? It’s quite bizarre and I feel conflicted about tbh. The rule follower in me does not like this at all but the mum in me doesn’t want all the children disqualified. Tricky situation, perhaps approach the head for a discussion.

Jo14357 · 17/05/2025 00:23

Please report. As a headteacher who conducts SATs with integrity it’s not fair.

Nanny0gg · 17/05/2025 00:19

Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:25

My understanding is that some secondary schools assign sets based on SATS scores, and they’re also used to predict GCSE grades. So if a child has scored higher than they should have, it’s not particularly helpful really, as they may be placed in the ‘wrong’ set, or be under pressure to attain unrealistic grades. I don’t see this as having ‘helped’ my child at all.

This is true.

It also reflects on how well the primary school performs

Melancholyflower · 17/05/2025 00:15

Darkeststarwillshine · 16/05/2025 21:42

Did she give him the answer? From what I just read she has basically asked him to look again at the question.

And the guidelines quite clearly state that this is not allowed.

I can't believe how many people seem to think this is okay. It's also unfair on those of us who do follow correct procedures, because our results are compared nationally.

prawncrackerssos · 17/05/2025 00:07

NeverDropYourMooncup · 16/05/2025 21:31

Well, yeah, if it means he's projected to get 7s-9s at GCSE when really he's going to need intensive support to get 4s-5s, it's not going to be great for him.

It's an annual irritation when looking at CAT4 data to see kids with low raw ability scores and spiky profiles combined with higher SATs from some primaries - it's also harder to argue that there is evidence of SEND affecting performance when KS2 data claims that there's nothing to see here, too.

ETA: we'd like to ignore SATs altogether as a result, but unfortunately, we're not able to because it's how progress and the 'quality of teaching' is judged externally.

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This is absolutely correct, one of my children had their PTM/PTE test manipulated by school (child told how to answer questions, pointed to correct answers, told which ones to correct, several children inc my child taken out class to ‘work on test’. This hindered my child greatly as all looked good on paper child ended up getting a ECHP due to SEWB from unmet needs, child’s detailed as ‘Complex SEN’ but you wouldn’t know it from their test scores!

Melancholyflower · 17/05/2025 00:05

MathsMagpie · 16/05/2025 21:28

did they actuallly give your child any correct answers? Or just gently suggest they have another go? If the latter, your child will have only subsequently got it right if they were capable of answering it independently and the head has just helped them to dive deep and find the method or answer within themselves.

But you're not allowed to suggest they have another go, or indicate they have got it wrong. The child got it wrong and it's up to them to check their answers and correct them, or lose marks. The teacher cheating means that the child will look again and gain marks that they wouldn't have.

cakewench · 17/05/2025 00:05

oh but I'd report, absolutely.

cakewench · 17/05/2025 00:04

ugh this thread has made me proud of the fact that we're all a bunch of rule following nerds at our school 😆 No one even opens the outer boxes of the papers without witnesses, much less the inner plastic packs. etc. I remember one year feeling badly that I'd messed up IN PRACTICE RUNS because I'd read everything aloud for the child who needed someone to read for them, but after being instructed on the guidance I found out I couldn't read the symbols aloud for them for the real exams. I still worry about that one!

aredcar · 17/05/2025 00:00

I would leave it. It’s only SATs, is it that big of a deal? My kids school doesn’t do SATs so I could be wrong but surely the secondary schools would just use common sense and re jig their sets/ do their own assessments rather than use a SAT result from primary to inform their set for the whole of secondary?! The head will prob deny it and it’ll be stressful for your child in the last term of primary which I wouldn’t want for mine. Just move on is my advice.

Todayisaday · 16/05/2025 23:58

HappyNewTaxYear · 16/05/2025 23:45

You mean ‘too high a price’. Also, this has nothing to do with compassion for a child (this is a laughable reading of the situation!!) and everything to do with league tables. Neither do you know the head ‘is otherwise good’.

HTs who cheat like this also put any other adult who becomes aware of the cheating in a very difficult position.

I did mean to high a price. You are right.
Are you an english teacher 😂
I wish I could tell you where I worked but it would be outing and I could probably lose my job for misspelling an adjective phrase😂
Fair point but it doesn't seem like cheating to me, but then I am not a teacher or an exam board person and I like to think the head was doing it out of kindness to help a stressed student. I accept I could be wrong and if it is to bump scores up for personal gain then obviously this is unacceptable.
I stand by my previous comment that I do think this should be dealt with by speaking directly to the head as a first port of call.

JustSawJohnny · 16/05/2025 23:52

neverbeenskiing · 16/05/2025 23:32

Or instead of playing amateur detective and spreading potentially career-ending rumours among the other parents, OP could report her concerns through official channels so they can be properly investigated by someone who actually knows what they're doing.

Yes, having a chat with parents she likely knows about something their kids have likely told them already is pure scandal 🙄

As an ex teacher, I'm firmly of the opinion that if any careers were to be ended over this, they'd be both self-caused and deserved.

Hollyhedge · 16/05/2025 23:51

Just leave it. This kind of jiggery pokery is likely widespread.

Freesiasforthewin · 16/05/2025 23:46

It is completely wrong and should never ever happen. I’ve never seen or heard of this happening in all my years of educating.

That said, you are going to open a huge shit show for the whole school and all those year six pupils if you report it.

HappyNewTaxYear · 16/05/2025 23:45

Todayisaday · 16/05/2025 22:59

Honestly, I think I would maybe wait until year is nearly out then ask to speak to the head directly in private to raise your concern and have a discussion with them.
Getting an otherwise good head sacked and the school investigated over what was probable act of compassion seems too higher price to pay when you can acheive your result of not wanting it to happen again by speaking to the head. I am sure they will not risk it again if you raise it.
Also, they didnt give the answer, just said to try again.
I think someone losing their career over this is too higher price to pay when we are screaming out for teachers.

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You mean ‘too high a price’. Also, this has nothing to do with compassion for a child (this is a laughable reading of the situation!!) and everything to do with league tables. Neither do you know the head ‘is otherwise good’.

HTs who cheat like this also put any other adult who becomes aware of the cheating in a very difficult position.

atata · 16/05/2025 23:39

OP, whilst I agree with the sentiment of your post -
that this is wrong, shouldn’t happen etc, I would prioritise just moving on with life. Put this behind you. Do you really want your child interviewed as part of an investigation or would you prefer to just congratulate him/her for getting through the exams?

neverbeenskiing · 16/05/2025 23:32

JustSawJohnny · 16/05/2025 23:29

That's really reckless behaviour from the head, doing that in front of other kids.

I wouldn't be surprised if they've gone home and told their parents about it.

Do you know who the kids were/their parents?

Might be worth a chat with them.

I'd be pissed if this had happened at DS's primary.

Or instead of playing amateur detective and spreading potentially career-ending rumours among the other parents, OP could report her concerns through official channels so they can be properly investigated by someone who actually knows what they're doing.

Whatifwewereallperfect · 16/05/2025 23:31

My two were at very different primary schools, one was wholly sats results driven whilst the other didn't do extra coaching/apply extra pressure. When children from the fist group moved to senior school they were put in top groups which soon showed they weren't able to keep up with the rest of the class and were moved down one or two groups. Not good for any child so I would definitely call the school or governors out on this.

noblegiraffe · 16/05/2025 23:31

Secondary teachers were polled on this:

SATS cheating - by the Head!
JustSawJohnny · 16/05/2025 23:29

That's really reckless behaviour from the head, doing that in front of other kids.

I wouldn't be surprised if they've gone home and told their parents about it.

Do you know who the kids were/their parents?

Might be worth a chat with them.

I'd be pissed if this had happened at DS's primary.

Mrsmouse71 · 16/05/2025 23:29

It happens in a lot of schools unfortunately, high schools already know this and make the kids do assessments during year 7 to check the knowledge levels

user1471530109 · 16/05/2025 23:28

But their targets are based on SATs. Progress 8 and target setting is based on prior data.

Either do SATs properly with external invigilators or stop the farce!

neverbeenskiing · 16/05/2025 23:28

Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:37

I believe my DC. I can believe the head did this. I know the TA who was in the room (parent of child in the year group) and she recommended I write to the school.

This is a pretty big drip feed!

So you've contacted your friend the TA to tell her that you suspect the HT (so your friends Boss) of cheating? And she has told you to "write to the school"? What does that even mean, write to who at the school??

I'm very surprised the TA was willing to discuss it with you at all to be honest.

If this is true you've put her in an extremely difficult position by contacting her about it directly rather than reporting your concerns through official channels.

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