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SATS cheating - by the Head!

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Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:16

In my DC’s final SATS exam yesterday, the headteacher was overseeing and they picked up DC’s paper, DURING the exam, flicked through it, then rubbed out one of the answers and told DC to try again. They also pointed out another wrong answer and indicated DC should re-do that question.

This is clear cut cheating, right?

YABU - don’t report it, the whole year group could get their SATS voided and they’ll be devastated
YANBU - this is appalling and the Head needs to be investigated

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Rabhhhd · 17/05/2025 10:17

What happens if a school gets poor results? (In a world where there isn't cheating)

Mischance · 17/05/2025 10:17

Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 22:45

Because a head teaching pupils that cheating is ok, is, in my opinion, pretty shit.

It's been going on for ages, happens everywhere.

Joyunlimited · 17/05/2025 10:14

Orangesinthebag · 17/05/2025 09:20

So the child will be damaged forever by the Head indicating two questions we're wrong in SATS but having their results nullified & being part of an investigation won't affect them at all?

Honestly, the drama on this thread is insane!
No wonder children are suffering from anxiety and lacking in resilience if a Head actually helping them in a test (yes, cheating, I know) is considered enough to damage them forever more!

We need to stop dramatising everything in children's lives & making them think tiny things like this are life changing.

So do you think blatant cheating by the Head (and involving the child in the cheating, not to mention the other children and possibly adults who saw the cheating but who, presumably, the Head is relying on to be complicit and keep quiet) should just be ignored?

DidStart · 17/05/2025 10:10

IButtleSir · 17/05/2025 09:20

Shortage of adults is unlikely to be a convincing reason.

Are you joking?! For the SATs just gone, we used all TAs in the school who are not one-to-ones (which was 5 adults), all three Year 6 teachers, the assistant head, the deputy head, two teachers' mums and one teacher's wife. The deputy head was walking around constantly to peer through doors- every other one of the adults was in a room by themselves (with children, obviously!). We needed to use that number of rooms- and adults- because of the sheer number of children requiring a reader or a brain-break, both of which would be very distracting to any other children sharing a room with them.

Having two adults per room would have required another 12 adults! Where were we supposed to find them?

Edited

Schools use

Staggered testing.

Governors.

Governors from local secondary school.

WRAC staff.

Even the WI and parish council.

Joyunlimited · 17/05/2025 09:34

IButtleSir · 17/05/2025 09:20

Shortage of adults is unlikely to be a convincing reason.

Are you joking?! For the SATs just gone, we used all TAs in the school who are not one-to-ones (which was 5 adults), all three Year 6 teachers, the assistant head, the deputy head, two teachers' mums and one teacher's wife. The deputy head was walking around constantly to peer through doors- every other one of the adults was in a room by themselves (with children, obviously!). We needed to use that number of rooms- and adults- because of the sheer number of children requiring a reader or a brain-break, both of which would be very distracting to any other children sharing a room with them.

Having two adults per room would have required another 12 adults! Where were we supposed to find them?

Edited

You do know you’re allowed to stagger the timing of the tests, as long as the children taking them later are kept separate from the others (e.g. sent to "help" in an infants class for an hour or so), don’t you?

Orangesinthebag · 17/05/2025 09:20

Hippywannabe · 17/05/2025 08:48

Please keep us updated.
I do think that you have to report it. As your child matures, their understanding of this will deepen and how you dealt with it will be important.
It will have repercussions but we do have to show our children that we should do the 'right' thing.
Having SATS results for the year nullified should not actually affect your child's education as secondary schools generally move children between 'sets' by the first half term.

So the child will be damaged forever by the Head indicating two questions we're wrong in SATS but having their results nullified & being part of an investigation won't affect them at all?

Honestly, the drama on this thread is insane!
No wonder children are suffering from anxiety and lacking in resilience if a Head actually helping them in a test (yes, cheating, I know) is considered enough to damage them forever more!

We need to stop dramatising everything in children's lives & making them think tiny things like this are life changing.

IButtleSir · 17/05/2025 09:20

Joyunlimited · 17/05/2025 09:03

Yes, it’s only a recommendation.

But I can only think of one reason why a school would actively choose to have only one adult in the room.

Shortage of adults is unlikely to be a convincing reason. Most primary schools use TAs from other classes, admin staff, school governors, vetted parent volunteers with children in different classes, etc. to be the extra pair of eyes in a room, so everyone can be reassured that everything was done correctly.

Shortage of adults is unlikely to be a convincing reason.

Are you joking?! For the SATs just gone, we used all TAs in the school who are not one-to-ones (which was 5 adults), all three Year 6 teachers, the assistant head, the deputy head, two teachers' mums and one teacher's wife. The deputy head was walking around constantly to peer through doors- every other one of the adults was in a room by themselves (with children, obviously!). We needed to use that number of rooms- and adults- because of the sheer number of children requiring a reader or a brain-break, both of which would be very distracting to any other children sharing a room with them.

Having two adults per room would have required another 12 adults! Where were we supposed to find them?

Joyunlimited · 17/05/2025 09:20

Rabhhhd · 17/05/2025 08:09

This happened back in 2012 at my DS's school. The school took the less academic kids into a separate room and just told them the answers. It's done to make the school look better.

I remember googling about this back then and it's honestly really common and I don't think Ofsted actually care.

If cheating is proved they certainly do care!

IButtleSir · 17/05/2025 09:12

DidStart · 17/05/2025 09:01

Ok, I prefer, as did my staff and as do the headteachers I support now, to protect others and not put them in a situation that can be career ending.

To be under investigation by STA, either as a headteacher or staff member is so stressful.
Some of the investigations I've carried out on behalf of STA, have been maliciously made by parents. Having two people in each room has helped with the investigation as there is another person to evidence what happened.

I don't disagree with that for a second. What I disagreed with was the fact that having only one adult in a room is considered maladministration. That's simply not true.

ilovesooty · 17/05/2025 09:10

lizzyBennet08 · 17/05/2025 09:06

Honestly a few marks would be incredibly unlikely to change the result meaningfully and you would make yourself deeply unpopular locally. I imagine that even if upheld he would only get a rap on the knuckles.
Not sure I’d draw it on myself particularly if I had other kids in the school.

make yourself deeply unpopular locally

Because most people think cheating and a lack of integrity is OK?

Joyunlimited · 17/05/2025 09:09

Anonusername1234 · 17/05/2025 08:59

These children are 10 and 11! A moment like this can make the difference between a child achieving standard in a largely unimportant test, progress 8 is only one measure (which the children have worked so hard for) or not. Many children with neuro divergence and anxiety struggle during these tests and can make stupid errors that they wouldn’t normally make. I’ve seen children who deserve an expected standard totally fail and be utterly distraught. I know what I’d rather see. Attack the system not the people trying their best to ensure your children get the result they deserve.

Most children are nervous about the tests, and many make errors they wouldn’t normally make. Special arrangements (that don’t involve cheating) are possible for children with known problems.

And what about the children with similar problems in other schools where the staff don't cheat? Is it right for them and their schools to be disadvantaged by an unfair comparison?

When, in your opinion, should the cheating stop? Should the neurodivergent or anxious child be encouraged to cheat in their GCSEs too?

Unfortunately, failing a test we "deserve" to pass is a common human experience and happens throughout life (e.g. a driving test). Cheating is not a good solution.

lizzyBennet08 · 17/05/2025 09:06

Honestly a few marks would be incredibly unlikely to change the result meaningfully and you would make yourself deeply unpopular locally. I imagine that even if upheld he would only get a rap on the knuckles.
Not sure I’d draw it on myself particularly if I had other kids in the school.

ilovesooty · 17/05/2025 09:03

JoyousEagle · 17/05/2025 08:17

Just in general, I hate the idea that a person reporting wrongdoing is responsible for the consequences that then occur for the person who was responsible for the wrongdoing in the first place.
If OP chooses to report this, any consequences are the fault of the head.

Absolutely.

Joyunlimited · 17/05/2025 09:03

IButtleSir · 17/05/2025 08:49

As I said in another comment, the crucial word here is recommendation. Given the experience and qualifications you claim to have, I'm sure you are perfectly capable of understanding the difference between a recommendation and a rule.

Yes, it’s only a recommendation.

But I can only think of one reason why a school would actively choose to have only one adult in the room.

Shortage of adults is unlikely to be a convincing reason. Most primary schools use TAs from other classes, admin staff, school governors, vetted parent volunteers with children in different classes, etc. to be the extra pair of eyes in a room, so everyone can be reassured that everything was done correctly.

DidStart · 17/05/2025 09:01

IButtleSir · 17/05/2025 08:49

As I said in another comment, the crucial word here is recommendation. Given the experience and qualifications you claim to have, I'm sure you are perfectly capable of understanding the difference between a recommendation and a rule.

Ok, I prefer, as did my staff and as do the headteachers I support now, to protect others and not put them in a situation that can be career ending.

To be under investigation by STA, either as a headteacher or staff member is so stressful.
Some of the investigations I've carried out on behalf of STA, have been maliciously made by parents. Having two people in each room has helped with the investigation as there is another person to evidence what happened.

Anonusername1234 · 17/05/2025 08:59

These children are 10 and 11! A moment like this can make the difference between a child achieving standard in a largely unimportant test, progress 8 is only one measure (which the children have worked so hard for) or not. Many children with neuro divergence and anxiety struggle during these tests and can make stupid errors that they wouldn’t normally make. I’ve seen children who deserve an expected standard totally fail and be utterly distraught. I know what I’d rather see. Attack the system not the people trying their best to ensure your children get the result they deserve.

TheFormidableMrsC · 17/05/2025 08:58

TorroFerney · 17/05/2025 08:33

The head teacher at my childs junior school got sacked for tinkering with the sats results. Not sure how she did it but it’s not beyond the realms of possibility. I was oblivious TIL it was in the local paper.

but in terms of motivation, is it not so patents are drawn to the school as it will advertise the results. Child’s primary school is in the catchment for the selective grammar and good sats may indicate good 11 plus results.

Edited

That is shocking. Maybe I should have said that I am certain this wouldn’t happen at my school. I am aware that SATS have been heavily staffed with several people in the room. There would be too many witnesses if somebody tried this!

Joyunlimited · 17/05/2025 08:56

Justmovehousethen · 17/05/2025 07:52

Incorrect.

SATS are pointless.

SATS are not a clear indicator of how well a school performs.

Our school is a military school - sometimes 40% of the year group can be students that have only just arrived several months before. If the SATS results are low, that’s not an indication that the school is shit, which it isn’t.

I sympathise with a school in the position of yours, and agree that SATs results can often be misleading about how good a school is. But nothing you have said makes what @DownToBusiness said incorrect, or justifies a headteacher cheating.

ilovesooty · 17/05/2025 08:55

MyLimeGuide · 17/05/2025 06:30

If it doesn't matter why endeavour to ruin someone's life? Just for kicks?!

In the event that someone's life is ruined it would be totally self inflicted.

Doitrightnow · 17/05/2025 08:50

I would be absolutely furious if a teacher taught my child that cheating is OK, and basically forced them in to doing it! Appalling.

I don't know what I'd do but I would want to take it further.

I'd be discussing it with my child too, about why it's wrong and what they could do it it happened again (for example, just re-write the original answer again).

IButtleSir · 17/05/2025 08:49

DidStart · 17/05/2025 08:28

Test guidance.

The recommendation for having at least two test administrators in each test room during Key Stage 2 (KS2) SATs is outlined in the official guidance provided by the Standards and Testing Agency (STA). This measure ensures that headteachers can have confidence in the integrity of test administration.GOV.UK+3GOV.UK+3Schools Week+3
Specifically, the guidance states:

“STA recommends having at least 2 test administrators in each test room, so the headteacher can have confidence in the integrity of test administration.”

This recommendation is part of a broader set of guidelines aimed at maintaining the security and proper conduct of the tests. The presence of multiple administrators helps ensure that any issues can be promptly addressed and that test conditions are consistently upheld.

Full guidance here:GOV.UK
👉 Key stage 2 test administration guidance - GOV.UK
This document provides detailed instructions and is essential for headteachers and staff involved in the administration of KS2 assessments.

As I said in another comment, the crucial word here is recommendation. Given the experience and qualifications you claim to have, I'm sure you are perfectly capable of understanding the difference between a recommendation and a rule.

Hippywannabe · 17/05/2025 08:48

Please keep us updated.
I do think that you have to report it. As your child matures, their understanding of this will deepen and how you dealt with it will be important.
It will have repercussions but we do have to show our children that we should do the 'right' thing.
Having SATS results for the year nullified should not actually affect your child's education as secondary schools generally move children between 'sets' by the first half term.

Joyunlimited · 17/05/2025 08:46

sakuraspring · 17/05/2025 08:44

I expect if the helpline gets several reports about the same school/head then that's when they act on it.

It's why we all need to report cheating.

Otherwise the cheats get away with it and the honest teachers lose out

It says they investigate all reports.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-report-maladministration-at-key-stage-1-and-key-stage-2

How to report maladministration of primary school assessments

Reporting concerns, including pupil cheating, about the administration of national curriculum assessments in primary schools.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-report-maladministration-at-key-stage-1-and-key-stage-2

Joyunlimited · 17/05/2025 08:44

KellySeveride · 17/05/2025 08:36

May be was used because at the moment we have a ten year olds version of what’s happened.

Hmmm. It seems unlikely that the child could misunderstand the adult taking their exam paper and rubbing something out. Even pointing at an incorrect answer and frowning is forbidden.

sakuraspring · 17/05/2025 08:44

I expect if the helpline gets several reports about the same school/head then that's when they act on it.

It's why we all need to report cheating.

Otherwise the cheats get away with it and the honest teachers lose out