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SATS cheating - by the Head!

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Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:16

In my DC’s final SATS exam yesterday, the headteacher was overseeing and they picked up DC’s paper, DURING the exam, flicked through it, then rubbed out one of the answers and told DC to try again. They also pointed out another wrong answer and indicated DC should re-do that question.

This is clear cut cheating, right?

YABU - don’t report it, the whole year group could get their SATS voided and they’ll be devastated
YANBU - this is appalling and the Head needs to be investigated

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Strictly1 · 17/05/2025 12:00

IButtleSir · 16/05/2025 21:51

Where did you get this idea from? Of course the head can be alone in a room with children.

That would go against the guidance.

Jessie3 · 17/05/2025 12:00

StickyCoffee · 17/05/2025 11:42

I can’t believe so many are saying the head’s behaviour wasn’t a big deal!

Me neither. And how many have no idea of exactly how strict the rules are.

Jessie3 · 17/05/2025 11:59

IButtleSir · 16/05/2025 21:51

Where did you get this idea from? Of course the head can be alone in a room with children.

No, they cannot during SATs. Absolutely against the very strict rules and protocol.

Gridhopper · 17/05/2025 11:52

I think you should and could forget the idea that you’ve been out in any kind of difficult position and are facing some kind of moral quandary. Absolutely nothing bad will happen if you just ignore this and stop caring - I think you might look back in a few years time and wonder what madness overtook you if you go down the reporting route. People do things that are against ‘the rules’ all the time, it’s not your job to correct this. Feels on the same level to me as people who reported next door’s lonely Grandma coming round during Covid coz it wasn’t allowed. Sats are a total joke for all concerned anyway. This thread is quite mad.

Strictly1 · 17/05/2025 11:46

As a HT who follows the guidance to the letter, I find this so frustrating as our grades are then judged against those who cheat.
But, it won’t hugely impact your child. Morally it needs reporting but I’d also fully understand if you didn’t want to.

StickyCoffee · 17/05/2025 11:42

I can’t believe so many are saying the head’s behaviour wasn’t a big deal!

Shesellsseashellsnotinmystreet · 17/05/2025 11:35

My ds did his maths gcse alone... With his phone. Head of year gave him it back....

Melancholyflower · 17/05/2025 11:29

Apollo365 · 17/05/2025 10:50

There was teacher to four children this week at my DCs school. What I mean is it’s unlikely another teacher was not there to witness the cheating.

Do you mean that for every four children there was an teacher? In a 3 form entry school that would require 23 members of staff, which is obviously not possible for most schools.

CharlotteBakewell · 17/05/2025 11:19

Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:25

My understanding is that some secondary schools assign sets based on SATS scores, and they’re also used to predict GCSE grades. So if a child has scored higher than they should have, it’s not particularly helpful really, as they may be placed in the ‘wrong’ set, or be under pressure to attain unrealistic grades. I don’t see this as having ‘helped’ my child at all.

Sets change all the time, it will soon become obvious if they’re in the wrong set.

Fifthtimelucky · 17/05/2025 11:14

Of course it should be reported. It depresses me enormously that so many problem don’t think that cheating is a problem.

MissJoGrant · 17/05/2025 11:12

Chickoletta · 16/05/2025 21:41

👋 Secondary teacher and SLT here. I can promise you that primary SATS are not used to predict GCSE grades. Even if they were, your child’s results are not dependent on a prediction, so it makes FA difference.

They are used at my school.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 17/05/2025 11:12

Dilemmaramma · 17/05/2025 07:43

Have read every reply, still hugely conflicted. I’m thinking of writing a letter to the head this weekend, and going to see them for a meeting next week.

They have clearly cheated. I’m not OK with that. But I’m worried about the implications for the children and the teaching staff of reporting it. Furious to have been put in this position, frankly.

I really wouldn't recommend that. You'd be looking at a selection from complete stonewalling, aggressive defence/denial/accusations of blackmail, malice and insanity, emotive pleas about 'but it's for the children', 'you'd destroy this school and the hardworking, dedicated teachers and TAs, as they'd lose their jobs' and 'you'd destroy me'. And, if you decide to ignore this and go to the Head, don't breathe a single word of the TA friend's comments - she'll be straight up for dismissal in retaliation/an attempt to get rid of a threat/accusations of being the one who actually cheated and therefore potentially not being able to ever get another job in a school.

When it comes down to it, cheating in SATs is for the benefit of the Head. It harms the children whether they have unmet SEND, a potential to attain highly at GCSE or absolutely normal, average ability, as they are not getting the mark that represents their true level. It hides inadequate management and teaching. It negatively affects their secondary schools. It also provides leverage for the Head to enjoy considerable financial advance from payrises and future job opportunities. If unreported, it furthers a position of entitlement and untouchability, which could also be replicated in how they deal with staff and pupils alike in terms of employment law, SEND law, financial regulations and health and safety. It breaches the Nolan principles for behaviour in Public Life. And, most importantly, it's wrong.

The PP who says it's nothing because they're an independent school Head would feel differently if it were their entrance tests being altered, whether so that children who didn't meet their requirements for entry obtained places or whether that cheating made a child eligible for a bursary/scholarship at the expense of another child whose assessment was completed fairly and honestly.

If this is in any way a real post - and there's no actual reason to suppose it isn't, as there are cases every year in every area and type of school from the leafiest suburb to the inner city - then the only appropriate and safe way to proceed is to report it externally. There would then be an investigation that doesn't put vulnerable, low paid staff at risk of repercussions (somebody on a temporary, year to year contract at less than NMW over the year due to being TTO and desperate to keep employment is in a very weak position compared to a confident Pillar of the Community who can decide unilaterally to not renew their contract for the next academic year, for example). It may be that any number of other parents have also been told this happened and will report it, maybe one of those vulnerable members of staff have decided that despite the risk to themselves, they will do the right thing and report the maladministration - additional reports from parents will protect them.

Not having KS2 results at all is less harmful to a kid than having falsified data. You will not harm a single child from reporting this. And it's the right thing to do.

TorroFerney · 17/05/2025 11:07

Oh I’ve remembered in my French gcse oral , 1988 the nun who taught us said if we weren’t saying enough or got it wrong she’d kick us under the table. Presumably the slightly dodgy nature of doing that was in her mind outweighed by the opportunity to be slightly violent which (from my experience) was like catnip to the sisters. They loved a good child hitting , or if not possible a bit of verbal abuse.

MissJoGrant · 17/05/2025 11:07

KIlliePieMyOhMy · 16/05/2025 21:31

Sorry SATS are used as predictions for GCSEs that take place 5 years later.
That's crazy, if true.

It is 100% true. I teach music and my pupils' targets are based on their English and maths SATs scores. It's mental.

TorroFerney · 17/05/2025 11:04

TheFormidableMrsC · 17/05/2025 08:58

That is shocking. Maybe I should have said that I am certain this wouldn’t happen at my school. I am aware that SATS have been heavily staffed with several people in the room. There would be too many witnesses if somebody tried this!

I’m not saying the head did what the op is suggesting. I think in her case it was more to prove herself she was new to the school after the last head who’d been there for years got ill. This is an outstanding ofsted school as in a privileged area so it was already really good.

Leadandfollow · 17/05/2025 11:00

I remember my head teacher did exactly this when I sat the equivalent of SATS back in the 80s. He pointed to one question and said something like 'try again'. I checked and realised I'd made a simple mistake.

It also happened that a friend of mine (who had recently moved to the country so didn't sit the exams) helped with the marking (this was in the 80s!) and told me afterwards I'd gotten a perfect score.

Needless to say, I've always thought fondly of that head teacher!

Melancholyflower · 17/05/2025 10:58

MyLimeGuide · 17/05/2025 06:27

I doubt a few questions hinted are going to make much difference, maybe he was being kind? Is your child known to be intelligent and he felt sorry for him for making too many obvious mistakes? Maybe he's just a really kind man!! Don't be a dick and report him.

What a ridiculous comment!
I generally try not to look at the children's answers, because it is frustrating to see their mistakes when you know they can do it, but there's no way I would think it acceptable to point it out during a test.
In last week's arithmetic test I did happen to look down at a child's paper and see they were a digit out on an answer - this is a child who generally gets full or almost full marks, so it was possibly their only error. I hope when they checked over the answers it was corrected, but I don't know and would never have drawn their attention to it.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 17/05/2025 10:54

Mischance · 17/05/2025 10:17

It's been going on for ages, happens everywhere.

Maybe it wouldn't if people reported it. I don't cheat in the exams I conduct (GCSE and A Level MFL speaking exams), though I could almost certainly get away with doing so. Why on earth should primary teachers, TAs and headteachers get away with it? Arguing that they don't approve of the exam is a pathetic excuse for professional misconduct.

Apollo365 · 17/05/2025 10:50

IButtleSir · 16/05/2025 21:51

Where did you get this idea from? Of course the head can be alone in a room with children.

There was teacher to four children this week at my DCs school. What I mean is it’s unlikely another teacher was not there to witness the cheating.

Melancholyflower · 17/05/2025 10:47

spoonbillstretford · 17/05/2025 04:52

It's about time SATS were abolished. They are pointless as secondary schools do CATS when they start.

There are arguments for not doing SATs, but the point of them isn't anything to do with secondary schools, so that isn't one of them.

bridgetreilly · 17/05/2025 10:33

Dilemmaramma · 17/05/2025 07:43

Have read every reply, still hugely conflicted. I’m thinking of writing a letter to the head this weekend, and going to see them for a meeting next week.

They have clearly cheated. I’m not OK with that. But I’m worried about the implications for the children and the teaching staff of reporting it. Furious to have been put in this position, frankly.

It will be better for everyone in the school if cheating is stopped.

bridgetreilly · 17/05/2025 10:31

ilovesooty · 17/05/2025 09:03

Absolutely.

This.

bridgetreilly · 17/05/2025 10:30

When they introduced SATS they were very clear that it was to measure standards at the school, not of the individual pupils. I have never understood why individual results are published. Spend an hour on the test and never think about it again. No need to stress the children at all.

BusyMum47 · 17/05/2025 10:30

@Dilemmaramma

I'm a yr6 Teacher & regardless of my opinion on SATS, that is 100% cheating & against all of the very strict guidelines - I would report to the School Governors - they're who you need to go to in a Primary School if you have a complaint about the Head.

bridgetreilly · 17/05/2025 10:24

MyLimeGuide · 17/05/2025 06:30

If it doesn't matter why endeavour to ruin someone's life? Just for kicks?!

Reporting isn’t what ruins someone’s life. Cheating is what does that. Apparently widespread cheating by teachers, given this thread. Teaching a whole generation that it’s fine to cheat. So no, not for kicks. For the good of society.

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