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AIBU to take my dog everywhere I go

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Loopylouloves · 16/05/2025 12:35

After several posts recently about dogs in public spaces I wanted to add another angle. For context I wasnt a dog lover and never thought I would own one. However I am now the owner of one but with a difference. I have a serious medical condition which causes me to become very unwell quickly and my dog is being trained to detect when this is about to happen so I can take action promptly and get help. She goes everywhere with me including supermarkets, cafes, friends houses etc.

The issue is that shes a puppy (12 months) and is very much in the training phase so sometimes she doesnt behave when we go out. But its so important that she lives my life with me so she learns to alert me even when we are out and about. Once fully trained she is going to change my life and give me so much freedom and peace of mind.

Because she doesnt always behave like a service dog should, aibu to think that people should be more understanding and tolerant of her.

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Loopylouloves · 16/05/2025 22:55

GravyBoatWars · 16/05/2025 22:26

I'm a medical alert dog handler with my second assistance dog. He accompanies me almost everywhere (including for international travel) now, but certainly didn't at 12 months.

A dog in training is not a working assistance dog yet. Yes, your dog does need to accompany you in public places for training but this should be done with intention and consideration for where she is currently at in her training so that you're setting her up for success, and it should happen when you are able to actively train. A dog in training can't be expected to behave perfectly but they also can't be allowed to practice unacceptable behavior and they need to be exposed to challenges in a gradual enough way that they are actually able to learn. Quality assistance dog organizations take two years on average to train dogs, and outings to difficult places like food stores or restaurants come during the latter stages, usually past 18 months. Length of working/training sessions also needs to be gradually increased as they mature. Neither you nor your adolescent dog is capable of putting in quality training time all day long while going about your life. Just taking her everywhere with you right now is likely to do more harm than good. Talk to the training organization about the specific type, length and frequency of training outings and goals you should be engaging in as well as recommendations for appropriate social outings and recreation options that will not be counterproductive.

Thankyou for your input. We are doing all that already. I don't have the mental energy left to detail her training schedule, I appreciate it sounds like we are out 24/7 training, but it's not and everything we do is under guidance from the Charity for what is appropriate for her age and ability. Because of my health most of the time we are at home or the park where she can run around and play.

Out of interest why specifically would food stores be after 18 months? She copes well with our local store and behaves very well, it is a very small one and never that busy. I definitely wouldn't expect her to cope in a big supermarket as I can't cope with them.

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GravyBoatWars · 16/05/2025 22:38

Also, you mentioned friends' houses.

I do not automatically take my working dog to other people's homes. He's welcome in many, but I always ask first (and for every visit unless he has been explicitly given a permanent-invite) while making it extremely clear that there is no obligation to say yes. And when visiting homes with dogs I default to leaving him at home unless I know the dog and trust he'll be welcomed in their space. When he does accompany me I offer to keep him on lead in his work-mode or in specific areas rather than defaulting to letting him go into normal dog mode. I have a right to take my assistance dog out in public where others need to make reasonable accomodations but other people and dogs have an overriding right to comfort and security in their own homes. Always being respectful of that means that he's rather beloved by my friends and family and they're more likely to be supportive and accomodating, not resentful.

Catpuss66 · 16/05/2025 22:27

Loopylouloves · 16/05/2025 15:08

Completely agree with you. Cafe wise we go to dog friendly places or sit outside. I haven't been brave enough to go to John Lewis yet! She's becoming a bit of a local celebrity in the village as most know her and her role.

What I would say the earlier & the more you do it the quicker they acclimatise. I have a dog with separation anxiety you wouldn’t know if you met her, she goes in lifts, cafes, restaurants & Is very well behaved social with other dogs. Just keep it small amounts of time, most people in real life are much nicer & ask to say hello, mine is 3yrs old good with children but likes older people with grey hair😂

GravyBoatWars · 16/05/2025 22:26

I'm a medical alert dog handler with my second assistance dog. He accompanies me almost everywhere (including for international travel) now, but certainly didn't at 12 months.

A dog in training is not a working assistance dog yet. Yes, your dog does need to accompany you in public places for training but this should be done with intention and consideration for where she is currently at in her training so that you're setting her up for success, and it should happen when you are able to actively train. A dog in training can't be expected to behave perfectly but they also can't be allowed to practice unacceptable behavior and they need to be exposed to challenges in a gradual enough way that they are actually able to learn. Quality assistance dog organizations take two years on average to train dogs, and outings to difficult places like food stores or restaurants come during the latter stages, usually past 18 months. Length of working/training sessions also needs to be gradually increased as they mature. Neither you nor your adolescent dog is capable of putting in quality training time all day long while going about your life. Just taking her everywhere with you right now is likely to do more harm than good. Talk to the training organization about the specific type, length and frequency of training outings and goals you should be engaging in as well as recommendations for appropriate social outings and recreation options that will not be counterproductive.

Loopylouloves · 16/05/2025 22:21

Jc2001 · 16/05/2025 22:10

Why are you being so hostile? Why not just ask a question rather than being an arse.

Good question 👏🏻 although I don't think the intelligence is strong with this one.

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Loopylouloves · 16/05/2025 22:19

Jennifershuffles · 16/05/2025 22:05

If she's wearing the harness I would presume people would be tolerant? If she's shitting on people's carpets or biting their kids or something that's a different matter.

Well quite.

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Loopylouloves · 16/05/2025 22:15

fiveIsNewOne · 16/05/2025 21:37

This is on the edge for me.
Fully trained service dogs have a legal exception, fine.
While I understand that a puppy in service training needs socialising and learning at places, I'd expect the trainer of not yet service dog to be proactively very mindful about people around and make sure that the dog doesn't bother anyone, not only by not jumping, but in any way at all.

You are moaning that "she said its unhygienic in a supermarket and she wouldn't be shopping there anymore. It was just very awkward and uncomfortable." - she was right, having dogs in shops is unhygienic and for many people having to be around a dog is awkward and uncomfortable no matter how that specific dog behaves. Too many bad owners mean many people are careful/afraid/tired of dogs.
Yes, it is specifically allowed for service dogs (and to some extent dogs in training), because it is seen as proportionate to provide a health/ self-sufficiency benefit to a person with some kind of disability. Technically, the law will give you a legal exception allowing you to make people who don't like to be around dogs uncomfortable. It's ok to use the exception. But it doesn't mean that some people won't be uncomfortable and some of them won't hide it well. That's the reality.

Actually I understood her reaction in some ways. Ideally I wouldn't want to take a dog in a supermarket, I wonder though if she would have reacted the same if I was blind and had a guide dog 🤔. I also except that some people are going to feel uncomfortable around a dog, or even afraid of dogs. Like you said that's the reality. My reality is living with a condition that can and does frequently try to unalive me, I'm sure most people's day would be made more uncomfortable by them having to do cpr on me.

Also I'd like to ask where in any of my posts I've said that my dog bothers people or jumps at them, or where have I given the impression that I'm not mindful of people around me? Maybe I gave the impression I let her tear around tescos snaffling pork pies whilst some poor innocent women cowers in the corner 🙄.

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Jc2001 · 16/05/2025 22:10

Lanzarotelady · 16/05/2025 12:41

She is either a service dog or isn't - make your mind up! How are you training her? Do you know how to train a dog to be alert to your needs?
Sounds to me like you have just got a puppy that you are insisting on taking everywhere and expect everyone else to be accomodating of this on the premise of her being a "service dog"

Why are you being so hostile? Why not just ask a question rather than being an arse.

Jennifershuffles · 16/05/2025 22:05

If she's wearing the harness I would presume people would be tolerant? If she's shitting on people's carpets or biting their kids or something that's a different matter.

Catpuss66 · 16/05/2025 22:02

TeenLifeMum · 16/05/2025 18:25

No, you take them to normal places dogs go. You don’t overwhelm a puppy with learning to be in places that aren’t puppy friendly, hence that part is a structured plan.

I live just down the road from a guide dogs training centre, see most of the dogs under a year old with foster parents either walking in cafe around children play area on lead of course. You are not allowed to make a fuss off them unless they are off lead in designated area.This is part of a structured programme.

stclementine · 16/05/2025 21:54

Lougle · 16/05/2025 20:27

I don't think this thread is helping you @Loopylouloves

i agree. For some reason MN is vehement in its hatred of dogs to the extent that, as a dog owner, is unrecognisable in the real world.
just carry on working with the charity and follow their guidance - if it’s the one I’m thinking of them they have many years of experience of training assistance dogs.
good luck and maybe avoid the nuts on here.

Loopylouloves · 16/05/2025 21:45

CrappyBottle · 16/05/2025 21:11

Agree with a PP that you seem to have implied originally she’s not that well behaved then got annoyed when people have responded to that.

You say on one hand she wouldn’t approach people. But earlier said you can’t guarantee she wouldn’t invade a picnic.

This is why people are responding how they are. Quite frankly NO dog should be stealing pork pies from a strangers picnic. They should be under control at all times.

I was actually joking about the pork pie, she wouldn't even approach a group of people. Though I can't help but suspect even the best trained dog in the world wouldnt be tempted by freshly cooked sausages. I'll sit and wait for the 'experts' to disagree with me. Again that was a joke.

I'm not annoyed about about the initial responses as I realise I didn't explain what her 'bad' behaviour was. I'm annoyed that despite me clarifying what I meant several times people still seem to think she rampages through the streets destroying people's lives and properties. Despite me clarifying that she is being trained by professionals several times apparently I've made this up and I'm pretending just so I can take her everywhere with me and she can cause mass destruction wherever we go.

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fiveIsNewOne · 16/05/2025 21:37

This is on the edge for me.
Fully trained service dogs have a legal exception, fine.
While I understand that a puppy in service training needs socialising and learning at places, I'd expect the trainer of not yet service dog to be proactively very mindful about people around and make sure that the dog doesn't bother anyone, not only by not jumping, but in any way at all.

You are moaning that "she said its unhygienic in a supermarket and she wouldn't be shopping there anymore. It was just very awkward and uncomfortable." - she was right, having dogs in shops is unhygienic and for many people having to be around a dog is awkward and uncomfortable no matter how that specific dog behaves. Too many bad owners mean many people are careful/afraid/tired of dogs.
Yes, it is specifically allowed for service dogs (and to some extent dogs in training), because it is seen as proportionate to provide a health/ self-sufficiency benefit to a person with some kind of disability. Technically, the law will give you a legal exception allowing you to make people who don't like to be around dogs uncomfortable. It's ok to use the exception. But it doesn't mean that some people won't be uncomfortable and some of them won't hide it well. That's the reality.

Maddy70 · 16/05/2025 21:36

I have to take my dog everywhere as she barks the place down is she's left alone. It's utterly wearing at times. Bit such is life. I don't want to upset my neighbours

Hotflushesandchilblains · 16/05/2025 21:35

I love seeing assistance dogs in training - it always gives me a lift. I used to live near a guide dog training centre and it made me so happy to see the dogs. Sounds like you are doing amazing - there are a lot of people here who do not understand either dog training or what assistance dogs can do. Best of luck, and hope it all works out for you.

Hellohelga · 16/05/2025 21:33

I think you know that YANBU to take a service dog in training everywhere you go. Your dog may save you life one day so this training is very necessary. You sound like you are being very responsible and trying to mitigate the impact of a puppy being places a dog wouldn’t normally be. I’m amazed at the number of people saying YABU but that’s MN. Just carry on and good luck to you both.

Serencwtch · 16/05/2025 21:27

I trained mine completely self funding as no support available from charities

I took her myself to the normal places a pet dog would be allowed & socialized her normally, puppy classes etc.

She did the specialist training in places where only assistance dogs are allowed eg hospital, supermarket etc by visiting with the trainer supporting.

It can go very wrong if you try and do the specialist training alone so I would stick to doing those things with the trainer present.

For those commenting that assistance dogs (service dog is US & different definition) are given ready trained by a charity, this is often not the case anymore as charity funding is very limited & limited to a narrow range of disability. Many people do train assistance dogs privately.

There is no difference in status to a dog trained privately or by a charity. There is no 'register' of assistance dogs or certificate or official document & no requirement to wear a harness (although most choose to do so)

Emotional support animals are not recognized in the UK as assistance dogs.

CrappyBottle · 16/05/2025 21:11

Agree with a PP that you seem to have implied originally she’s not that well behaved then got annoyed when people have responded to that.

You say on one hand she wouldn’t approach people. But earlier said you can’t guarantee she wouldn’t invade a picnic.

This is why people are responding how they are. Quite frankly NO dog should be stealing pork pies from a strangers picnic. They should be under control at all times.

Buildingthefuture · 16/05/2025 21:07

@Loopylouloves you don’t have to justify this to anyone. She is a service dog IN TRAINING. If people cannot understand that, that is on them. Dogs provoke some very weird responses on here that I don’t generally see IRL! Keep doing you, you and your lovely dog will do great xx

skymagentatwo · 16/05/2025 21:07

She is well on her way to being a accredited assistance dog 🤔

Earlier you said and I quote "sometimes she doesn't behave when we go out", " she doesn't always behave like a service dog should", " I couldn't promise she wouldn't nick a pork pie at a picnic tbh". So yes I would agree with you saying ignorance and stupidity on this thread is unreal.

Loopylouloves · 16/05/2025 21:00

I just want to clarify once more as it seems it's impossible for some to grasp that my trainee ASSISTANCE dog sometimes...sometimes doesn't behave in a way that the average person would expect a ASSISTANCE dog to behave because shes TRAINING. HOWEVER she is fully trained to behave well in public. She DOESNT jump up at people, or approach them, she DOESN'T create havoc and mayhem wherever she goes, and has never savaged a cat. She's extremely well behaved generally, I've NEVER had to remove her from a public place or been asked to leave one.

She has regular training by professional trainers, and they are impressed by her progress. She is well on her way to being a accredited assistance dog and always has her harness and vest that clearly says she's training.

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Loopylouloves · 16/05/2025 20:44

skymagentatwo · 16/05/2025 20:12

So if this is the case why are you taking your dog to places that are not suitable for it yet. No one should have to tolerate your UNTRAINED dog.

It is not a service dog and as you have already stated in your OP, sometimes she doesnt behave when you go out. You are also not a trainer and do not have the skills to teach them in difficult settings.

So you should treat it like a pet in settings for pets and pets only and stop annoying other people. No one should tolerate your pet being trained by a novice in places it should not be.

Edited

To be honest my dog has more intelligence and comprehension then alot of posters on this thread. I feel like I've explained several times quite clearly she is being trained by a trainer, this training is specific to her role for me. Noone is having to tolerate her behaviour as she is better behaved then most dogs, people and children. Honestly the ignorance and stupidity on this thread is unreal.

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Dearg · 16/05/2025 20:37

Not to pile on Op, but you need to be clear , at 12 months she is no longer a puppy and you should expect her to begin to behave better; she is an Assistance dog, not a Service dog, and to be honest the fact that you misnomer this makes me suspect that she’s actually neither.

I have experience of trainee guide dogs, and assistance dogs, and while it’s very clear that guide dogs have higher standards than other trainers, they do all follow a plan.

As pp have pointed out , even when fully accredited , she can only go freely to public places, and there may well be areas/ locations where she is not welcome, and you need to get comfortable with this.

Buildingthefuture · 16/05/2025 20:31

She is a Service Dog IN TRAINING. She needs to learn to be able to do her job and help you and she needs to be in public to do that. In much the same way that people bring unruly children out into public spaces, so they can learn how to behave. Yes, it can be annoying for other people sometimes, but that is how they learn. Keep her “in training” vest on and ignore the arseholes.

Lougle · 16/05/2025 20:27

I don't think this thread is helping you @Loopylouloves

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