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WIBU to pull DS out of school?

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GreenShoes12 · 16/05/2025 10:31

DS14, Y9, suspected ASD but no dx yet – we’re still on the waiting list. Used to manage OK in primary and even Y7, but the last year or so it’s gone massively downhill. The older the other kids get, the more obvious the gap is. They’re into phones, TikTok, dating, swearing, makeup – and DS is still into Fireman Sam, CBeebies, building things with Lego and train sets. Still plays with his teddies and talks to them. He’s just not in that teenage world at all and it shows.

He’s now refusing school most days. His attendance is shockingly low and I’m being threatened with fines. I can’t leave him home alone – he has no idea about danger, can’t work a microwave, would open the door to anyone. So every day he’s not in, I’m missing work, and work are losing patience too. I’m getting it from all angles.

He got home yesterday shaken up. Group of lads in his year – been bothering him on and off – started chanting “Fireman freak” at him and “does mummy still wipe your bum?” because he had a Fireman Sam keyring on his bag. One of them grabbed his bag and tipped all his stuff on the floor. Someone stomped on his water bottle and laughed. DS just stood there frozen. He said he wanted to run but couldn’t move. That’s happened before too – last month someone filmed him talking to himself in the playground and shared it on Snapchat. He didn’t even know until someone in another class told him people were laughing at it.

Another time he was trying to line up his pens on his desk and a kid knocked them off on purpose – teacher told him off for “being dramatic” when he got upset. They don’t get it. He’s not badly behaved, he just shuts down or lashes out when it’s too much – he’s thrown his book across the room before, or shouted suddenly. But it’s frustration and overload, not aggression. He doesn’t understand the rules like the others do. He thinks they’re all just being “mean for fun” and doesn’t really get social stuff.

He’s also been self harming for months. I only found out last week. Hid it really well – long sleeves, said he scratched himself on bushes etc. I feel like a terrible mum not spotting it sooner. School didn’t pick it up either – it only came out when another kid mentioned it and it got flagged.

He’s miserable, and I’m at breaking point too. I’m getting no help. School say without a dx there’s little they can do. CAMHS referral is in but it’s been months already and we’ve heard nothing. They’re putting it all on us to manage, but I’m drowning. DS doesn’t want to go in. He says he hates it, it makes him feel “small and stupid”.

Would I be totally unreasonable to just pull him out until we get proper support? Maybe look at online learning or something. I know it’s not ideal but I feel like leaving him in there is just making everything worse. Anyone done similar without a dx in place? I’ve got no idea what I’m doing and feel totally alone in this.

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Ablondiebutagoody · 16/05/2025 12:55

Police. Your son is being targeted because he has a disability. That's hate crime. Don't let the school get away with inaction.

Mauvehoodie · 16/05/2025 12:32

If it's in any way possible, I'd take him out of school like a shot especially given the self harm. It's not your fault you didn't notice, please don't beat yourself up Flowers, it sounds like you're doing everything you possibly can.

Do you think he'd engage with online learning of some sort? Can you work from home or do you have any family who could supervise him?

Others have given some great advice about staying in the system/not deregistering etc that could be really helpful.

shouldhavedonethisearlier · 16/05/2025 12:20

Have pm'd you.

WasThatACorner · 16/05/2025 12:17

YourLoyalPlumOP · 16/05/2025 11:21

I pulled my kids out of school

you can always redo exams (though ours are taking GCSE). But you can never redo mental health

thstd the mantra j live with.

100% agree with this.

We took our youngest out of school in September. The change in him was almost instant, he is calm and happy now. Home educating is going really well, we have had to redo a lot of foundational stuff that he had clearly not understood in the years he had been in school and now he is working on the next academic years level.

It helps that I have experience as TA and worked for years with people with LD / challenging behaviour but there are loads of resources and groups around if you are willing to look for them.

Good luck OP.

perpetualplatespinning · 16/05/2025 12:11

Rather than deregister and EHE, I would remain in the system. That doesn’t mean DS has to attend. He clearly isn’t able to and it isn’t safe for him to. If DS remains in the system but can’t attend school, the LA has a duty to ensure he still receives a suitable full time education. IPSEA has a model letter you can use to request this provision. Post back on MN if the LA refuses to provide provision or delays or ignores you. This doesn’t require an EHCP or a diagnosis. Whereas if you EHE, the LA will say you are making suitable alternative arrangements thereby relieving them of this duty. If you EHE it is also easier for others to sweep DS’s needs under the carpet.

Alongside this, request an EHCNA. You don’t need a diagnosis. IPSEA also has a model letter you can use for this. You may have to appeal, but an EHCP can provide far more provision, including therapeutic provision, than most parents can afford to fund themselves.

ChocolatePodge · 16/05/2025 12:02

Not unreasonable at all, sorry he's not being supported x

MellowPinkDeer · 16/05/2025 11:21

I wouldn’t take him out of school but I wouldn’t force him to go either. Can you do a private assessment? An EHCP will be helpful later but it’s not going to be in pace to help you to GCSE ( in most places) so you need to get the school on board. There are many things they can do. Have you met with them?

if you take him out you are choosing to and the local authority won’t have to help you. Keep him on role, send him when he is able. Contact the education access team. Keep chasing CAMHS

YourLoyalPlumOP · 16/05/2025 11:21

GreenShoes12 · 16/05/2025 10:31

DS14, Y9, suspected ASD but no dx yet – we’re still on the waiting list. Used to manage OK in primary and even Y7, but the last year or so it’s gone massively downhill. The older the other kids get, the more obvious the gap is. They’re into phones, TikTok, dating, swearing, makeup – and DS is still into Fireman Sam, CBeebies, building things with Lego and train sets. Still plays with his teddies and talks to them. He’s just not in that teenage world at all and it shows.

He’s now refusing school most days. His attendance is shockingly low and I’m being threatened with fines. I can’t leave him home alone – he has no idea about danger, can’t work a microwave, would open the door to anyone. So every day he’s not in, I’m missing work, and work are losing patience too. I’m getting it from all angles.

He got home yesterday shaken up. Group of lads in his year – been bothering him on and off – started chanting “Fireman freak” at him and “does mummy still wipe your bum?” because he had a Fireman Sam keyring on his bag. One of them grabbed his bag and tipped all his stuff on the floor. Someone stomped on his water bottle and laughed. DS just stood there frozen. He said he wanted to run but couldn’t move. That’s happened before too – last month someone filmed him talking to himself in the playground and shared it on Snapchat. He didn’t even know until someone in another class told him people were laughing at it.

Another time he was trying to line up his pens on his desk and a kid knocked them off on purpose – teacher told him off for “being dramatic” when he got upset. They don’t get it. He’s not badly behaved, he just shuts down or lashes out when it’s too much – he’s thrown his book across the room before, or shouted suddenly. But it’s frustration and overload, not aggression. He doesn’t understand the rules like the others do. He thinks they’re all just being “mean for fun” and doesn’t really get social stuff.

He’s also been self harming for months. I only found out last week. Hid it really well – long sleeves, said he scratched himself on bushes etc. I feel like a terrible mum not spotting it sooner. School didn’t pick it up either – it only came out when another kid mentioned it and it got flagged.

He’s miserable, and I’m at breaking point too. I’m getting no help. School say without a dx there’s little they can do. CAMHS referral is in but it’s been months already and we’ve heard nothing. They’re putting it all on us to manage, but I’m drowning. DS doesn’t want to go in. He says he hates it, it makes him feel “small and stupid”.

Would I be totally unreasonable to just pull him out until we get proper support? Maybe look at online learning or something. I know it’s not ideal but I feel like leaving him in there is just making everything worse. Anyone done similar without a dx in place? I’ve got no idea what I’m doing and feel totally alone in this.

I pulled my kids out of school

you can always redo exams (though ours are taking GCSE). But you can never redo mental health

thstd the mantra j live with.

receptionmummy · 16/05/2025 11:20

SalmonWellington · 16/05/2025 11:11

First of all, your kid sounds lovely.

Second - it is utter, utter bullshit that they can't help without a diagnosis. In fact diagnosis does very little other than open doors to -eg- autism or dyslexia specific schools.

What helps are the holy trinity of OT, SALT and ed psych reports (especially OT) which back up evidence of needs. They take a while to get even if you can pay privately. If you apply for an EHCP they come with - or at least ed psych does - but again that takes a long time.

In the meantime - if you can don't send him in. But (this bit is important) don't say you're choosing to home ed. That translates into 'I am making the choice to home ed even though school is perfectly ok' and trashes any chance of support. Support here could mean a special school, or EOTAS.

Say - in writing - you need records of all this - that you are keeping him home because school isn't a safe space for him.

Email head of year, chair of governors, senco. If you really want to go nuclear cc'in councillors, mp and head of children's services at your council.

Good advice

Away2000 · 16/05/2025 11:19

I would take him out and enrol him in an online school. Parents can apply for an EHCP - there’s Facebook groups on SEN education advice, your local Sendias, Ipsea, contact.org, all can give advice. Apply for DLA to hopefully cover some education costs until you can find a suitable school.

Newyearnewmewoooop · 16/05/2025 11:18

Please pull him out, his mental health is more important than. Poor lad, school isn’t for everyone, get him some alternative provision instead

Todayisaday · 16/05/2025 11:17

Take him out of school.
Its disgusting how the school are not helping with any of this.
Apply for echp
If ss get involved then explain that youbare not sending him back until you get one.
They can help fast track it as I have seen this happen before.
Keep a log of everything, try and remember dates and times of each incident that has happened in school too.

Littlemiracles232504 · 16/05/2025 11:16

I’d be taking him out of school asap! He’s clearly not getting the support (if any) in school
both my sons have ASD 5&6 and it absolutely breaks my heart reading this
poor lad, hopefully he gets the help he deserves and so do you

SalmonWellington · 16/05/2025 11:15

Also - there may be a homeschooling facebook group near you. Worth joining partly to meet others going through similar and partly to keep that continuity of learning @receptionmummy highlighted in her excellent post. They might - for example - be homeschool days at the local museum, or at the zoo. These will usually be mixed-age, inclusive sessions that can just keep that sense of learning something alive.

SalmonWellington · 16/05/2025 11:11

First of all, your kid sounds lovely.

Second - it is utter, utter bullshit that they can't help without a diagnosis. In fact diagnosis does very little other than open doors to -eg- autism or dyslexia specific schools.

What helps are the holy trinity of OT, SALT and ed psych reports (especially OT) which back up evidence of needs. They take a while to get even if you can pay privately. If you apply for an EHCP they come with - or at least ed psych does - but again that takes a long time.

In the meantime - if you can don't send him in. But (this bit is important) don't say you're choosing to home ed. That translates into 'I am making the choice to home ed even though school is perfectly ok' and trashes any chance of support. Support here could mean a special school, or EOTAS.

Say - in writing - you need records of all this - that you are keeping him home because school isn't a safe space for him.

Email head of year, chair of governors, senco. If you really want to go nuclear cc'in councillors, mp and head of children's services at your council.

MattCauthon · 16/05/2025 11:11

Based onyour OP it is very clear that mainstream school is not right for your DS, diagnosis or not. I would take him out but you should look into the process for that and also start working on an EHCP application. He needs much more support than he is getting.

receptionmummy · 16/05/2025 11:08

I’m so sorry you’ve been through this OP. It’s outrageous your son has had to put up with that behaviour without support from the school. I’m an ex HOY / teacher and I think this school has behaved terribly. Sending you solidarity.

I would do the following if I were in your shoes:

  1. take him out of that school immediately and cite safeguarding / protecting his life as the reason
  2. enrol on the virtual schools listed above as a temporary measure - really important to keep continuity of learning, I can’t stress that enough, I’ve seen so many school refusers go downhill and never engage again. It can be life-changing in the worst possible way. Ensure there’s structure at home and lots of fun learning instilled. Ensure opportunities to mix with other young people (who he likes) so that he doesn’t become isolated which could really damage his MH further.
  3. Research and apply for a supportive smaller school. My friend had exactly your situation and found an excellent lovely small private school where they provided a full bursary. They were lovely and allowed my friends son to gradually dip his toe in and get to know them on his terms, and a year later he absolutely loves it there and never misses a day. Don’t give up hope - the right school is out there. Don’t stop until you find it. Research, ask, speak to them, if it’s fee paying (and you can’t afford it) just keep asking for support.
  4. contact CAMHS re the self harm and try to escalate diagnosis assessment
  5. also speak to the GP re self harm
  6. see if there is low cost therapy in your area. I’ve accessed £5 therapy for teens who couldn’t wait for CAMHS. (Again, assuming you can’t afford to go private. If you can then do that). To be clear this is to support DS with the self harming.
  7. Once all the above in order, if you have energy left consider making a formal complaint to the school governors & Ofsted about the way the school failed to protect your son.
  8. You're doing this already, but keep giving him lots of love. Take a moment to do something fun for him, a fun day out or something - shower him with love. Help him feel better after his awful experiences at school and show him you’re there for him (you are already doing this).
sending you lots of love and best wishes.
Mama2many73 · 16/05/2025 11:04

I'm so sorry your son, and yourself, are going through this. As an ex teacher, parent and foster carer I've dealt with quite a bit and this is what really pisses me off. Expecting a child, who has obvious differences/needs, to just keep attending school while on a waiting list for 3 yrs is insanity! The effect on their education, but more importantly, their mental health is immeasurable.

School can do stuff without a diagnosis or EHCP and they should 100% be doing something about the bullying, that is totally unacceptable.

You know your Ds best and I can see why you feel for his wellbeing he needs to be out of this situation!

Hugs x

SummertimeFeelingFine · 16/05/2025 11:04

I would take Jim out, if it's viable.

*him. I've no idea who Jim is. 🙂

Tgfrislip · 16/05/2025 11:02

In terms of diagnosis you can do Right to choose which may make it quicker.

More needs to be done about the bullying. As that would be the case wothout asd.
Does he have learning issues too?
Will next year be with different kids as starting gcses?

Tbrh · 16/05/2025 10:53

Sorry OP I have no practical advice, but just sending you some support Flowers

SandrenaIsMyBloodType · 16/05/2025 10:53

I know how upsetting it is to find that your child has been self-harming but, in our case, it did help school, the GP and CAHMS to see the extent of DD2s distress and people started to help from then onwards. Make sure you have told everyone concerned about this. This is a safeguarding issue. He is refusing school because he has untreated mental health issues, unaccomodated neurodiversity and doesn’t feel safe because he is being bullied. He would go to school if he could. You would like him to be able to go to school. This is not a situation where fines are appropriate. You’re not off at bloody Center Parcs!

Btowngirl · 16/05/2025 10:49

I’m so sorry this is happening to your son and it’s a lot for you to deal with. I would 100% take my child out of school if I had the means, and look into a placement in a more specialist school. Makes my blood boil those other children being horrible to him! What have the school done to address that! I believe you can self refer for an EHCP. I would also hound my GP for a paeds referral for developmental delay. I don’t know if we got lucky but my DD got seen relatively quickly/easily. Good luck OP it must be so stressful xx

Tomnooktoldmeto · 16/05/2025 10:48

Our DD was similar and like your DS still awaiting diagnosis, it got so bad she was was sat in the enhanced learning base for 6 months unable to access any learning

in the end we took her out of school and put her in an online school, applied for an EHCP and went from there. It was a game changer, DD never missed a day of school after that because she could access it on her own terms

In the next month DD will graduate from University with a high 2:1 all because she got access to the right education for her, left in the school she may well have ended her life as she had suicidal ideation

Follow your gut instinct, our kids can thrive given the right opportunities

OneLoyalCyanGuide · 16/05/2025 10:47

Oh and specifically join the group for parents of children with autism for your local area to get help for dealing with your local council.
Other parents will be a greater resource than anything the council or the NHS offers. And keep in mind that a diagnosis won't really change anything, it doesn't open half the doors you hope it will. Those come with being "that parent"