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Not paying for garden work

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gardendramas5 · 16/05/2025 09:24

I’m pretty sure I’m not being unreasonable but I just want to see what other people think.

I purchased my house December last year. It was empty for at least 2 years (ex rental)

The previous owners kept the front and back garden tidy whilst it was on the market, no idea if it was them that did the work or if they paid someone. Both gardens are quite large. I started doing all of this myself when I took ownership.

Anyway, I’ve been away for the last week with family and came home on Wednesday to freshly cut grass, weeds pulled etc. I asked my neighbours if they had seen anyone but they were at work. It turns out that the previous owners hired a company to do the work and hadn’t notified them that they’d sold the house last year. I only found this out yesterday as the gardener turned up with the invoice. I explained I wasn’t aware of this arrangement and that he would have to invoice the previous owners for the work (I was polite and apologised for the inconvenience but made it clear I hadn’t asked for this work to be done and wasn’t prepared to pay for it either)

He knocked on again this morning and explained that he’d spoken to them yesterday and that they agreed to pay half (because it was their error) but that I should pay the rest because I’m the one benefiting from the work. I told him no sorry I’m not paying and he needs to take it up with them.

I do feel bad for the gardener, but it’s their fault. I didn't ask for this. They were awkward during the conveyancing process too so this doesn’t surprise me. AIBU?

OP posts:
HelplessSoul · 16/05/2025 11:58

Tell the gardener to fuck off.

You owe him nothing. You didnt contract his services ergo you are not liable.

The previous owners had the contract with him so they should pay up, not you.

MyDeftDuck · 16/05/2025 11:57

MagpiePi · 16/05/2025 09:36

The previous owners should pay him in full.
If they want you to pay them back half then they should get in touch with you directly, not expect the gardener to be their messenger.

This.
Not informing the gardening contractor was their error and they should stand the full cost initially. They should not be sending the gardener back to you for the balance of his fee. CF!

Cosyblankets · 16/05/2025 11:56

You bought the house in December.
How has this only just happened?
Where has the gardener been until now.
Surely he could tell the property was no longer empty

AthWat · 16/05/2025 11:54

NamechangeforLCJ · 16/05/2025 11:46

There is another poster on this thread who ran precisely the argument you raise here - and lost. See screenshot.

You say quantum meruit is “far more about cases where there is an implied contract” - sorry but that’s balls. If the factual circumstances are such that the court can conclude there was a contract, then the doctrine doesn’t apply. It’s for situations where there is no contract and no legal remedy would otherwise be available.

You have absolutely no idea of the circumstances of that case.

GeorgianaM · 16/05/2025 11:53

You have no idea if the previous owner actually agrees to pay half or not! They could have paid in full and the gardener is now trying it on with you.

Or he could be genuine.

Whilst you are not obligated to pay anything, there is the consideration that the gardener could be vindictive if genuinely out of packet and could return with weedkiller etc.

Personally I would not pay a penny and refer him back to the previous owner who should have terminated their contract with him.

what will you do if window cleaners turn up? Or an annual clean house guttering service? Or a tree surgeon that maintains the trees? All things that the previous owners could have hired annually!

You need to take a hard line and refuse to pay.

Abitofalark · 16/05/2025 11:51

You are not being unreasonable and have given the gardener the correct and polite response. The previous owner has full responsibility for this and has to pay in full.

You should not enter into any discussion or negotiations with either the gardener or the previous owner as you need to protect yourself from being drawn into any sort of entanglement or chance of creating the impression of having entered an agreement or tacit acknowledgement of responsibility by offering any amount of money as if payment for services.

You really have no idea who said what to whom or what communication there was before the gardener went to your house. You do not know what the previous owner could be up to or whether other events or similar things could turn up. Hence have no involvement in this.

Furthermore the gardener should not have come back to your house a second time to request money. If he comes back, request that he do not come to your house again.

(Not clear how he got in to do the gardening. Perhaps consider your security arrangements and have a locked gate or something.)

PorkyMcChubbington · 16/05/2025 11:49

NamechangeforLCJ · 16/05/2025 11:46

There is another poster on this thread who ran precisely the argument you raise here - and lost. See screenshot.

You say quantum meruit is “far more about cases where there is an implied contract” - sorry but that’s balls. If the factual circumstances are such that the court can conclude there was a contract, then the doctrine doesn’t apply. It’s for situations where there is no contract and no legal remedy would otherwise be available.

There is another legal remedy available; to pursue the other party to the contract for payment. That would have to have been exhausted first before any claim could bea made on OP.

Emanresuunknown · 16/05/2025 11:48

Kissedbyfire1 · 16/05/2025 11:41

Disbelieve it all you like, it happened. Your argument about the tradesman is exactly the argument we put in defence but lost.

Was your case something involving the council where you were mandated to maintain something, didn't, then the council brought in a service to undertake the work and you were billed? As that can happen and that's different.

PorkyMcChubbington · 16/05/2025 11:47

NamechangeforLCJ · 16/05/2025 11:14

The fact that there’s no contract between OP and the gardener isn’t determinative. There’s a principle called “quantum merit” (meaning “as much as he has deserved/earned”) that covers this situation.

In essence where someone has been unjustly enriched by receiving a benefit for which the provider can’t bring a claim in law (eg because there is no contract), the court has a discretion to order payment.

There are lots of summaries online but here is one from a reputable firm of solicitors: https://www.walkermorris.co.uk/comment-opinion/a-quantum-meruit-a-remedy-for-risk-takers/

I think the court would be likely to award something here. Notwithstanding OP might say “well it is not a benefit to me as I would have done it myself” the fact is she hasn’t had to and the court would recognise that.

I don't think you read your own link properly, as it seems clear to me that a court would NOT award the gardener in this instance.

NamechangeforLCJ · 16/05/2025 11:46

AirborneElephant · 16/05/2025 11:40

I really don’t think any court would even consider granting this, it would imply that a tradesman could randomly come to any house and do work and then bill the owner. Quantum Meruit is far more about cases where there is an implied contract, or certainly co-operation or collaboration between the parties. If OP had been there, chatted to the gardener and not tried to stop him then maybe, as she would have implicitly accepted the contract. But she had no contract, wasn’t there, and had no warning. So no, I certainly wouldn’t pay.

There is another poster on this thread who ran precisely the argument you raise here - and lost. See screenshot.

You say quantum meruit is “far more about cases where there is an implied contract” - sorry but that’s balls. If the factual circumstances are such that the court can conclude there was a contract, then the doctrine doesn’t apply. It’s for situations where there is no contract and no legal remedy would otherwise be available.

Not paying for garden work
ArcticTurn · 16/05/2025 11:45

How did he access your property personally and also with equipment and for waste disposal?

Have you changed locks, codes, etc. throughout the property?

What other arrangements might the previous owners have had in place?

I wouldn't pay him as he wasn't working for me. I might offer to support him in claiming his payment from previous owners. I certainly would ask my lawyer to give the previous owners a bollocking and possibly demand a list of who ever has had access to keys and codes and so on and whether these have been retrieved.

What's next, coming in and finding painters and decorators for the annual Christmas refresh the old lot forgot to cancel?!

AirborneElephant · 16/05/2025 11:45

AthWat · 16/05/2025 11:42

As a gardener would you turn up for a service after presumably at least six months of no contact without speaking to anyone first?

That surprises me less. My gardener stops in November and turns back up again in April, never get any notice. Similarly the window cleaner just turns up every four months.

gamerchick · 16/05/2025 11:42

There's no point in saying what we would do. We're all different.

I personally would be happy I didn't have to think of the garden yet and pay half but it really isn't your responsibility to pay him. They fucked up.

Plus some people are stroppy fuckers and trash their work if they don't get paid. I couldn't be arsed.

AthWat · 16/05/2025 11:42

terracelane23 · 16/05/2025 11:40

I’m a gardener and have been in a similar position. In my view, you shouldn’t pay. The previous owners should pay. They should have informed the gardener and cancelled the arrangement. If you want to, you could pay something but, when it happened to us, we pursued it with the previous owners.

As a gardener would you turn up for a service after presumably at least six months of no contact without speaking to anyone first?

Kissedbyfire1 · 16/05/2025 11:41

Emanresuunknown · 16/05/2025 11:10

I don't believe this.

If this were the case tradespeople could reasonably just start carrying out a job on your property, without you asking, and reasonably then expect to bill your for it.

Eg a window cleaner looking for more work could just clean someone's windows without being asked then bill them.

No court insisted you had to pay for work you did not commission, unless you actively engaged with them on arrival and clearly we're happy to have the work done.

Disbelieve it all you like, it happened. Your argument about the tradesman is exactly the argument we put in defence but lost.

AthWat · 16/05/2025 11:41

Kissedbyfire1 · 16/05/2025 11:39

Along the lines of the person who ordered the work was was acting in good faith (believed they held some sort of right/responsibility) and the person who carried out the work believed that the say-so of the person ordering it was sufficient. We made the point that on that basis anyone could order anything to be done to someone else’s property and leave them with the bill, but that didn’t convince the county court.

In this case did the person who ordered the service believe in good faith that they were acting as your agent, or did they believe they owned the property?

terracelane23 · 16/05/2025 11:40

I’m a gardener and have been in a similar position. In my view, you shouldn’t pay. The previous owners should pay. They should have informed the gardener and cancelled the arrangement. If you want to, you could pay something but, when it happened to us, we pursued it with the previous owners.

AirborneElephant · 16/05/2025 11:40

NamechangeforLCJ · 16/05/2025 11:14

The fact that there’s no contract between OP and the gardener isn’t determinative. There’s a principle called “quantum merit” (meaning “as much as he has deserved/earned”) that covers this situation.

In essence where someone has been unjustly enriched by receiving a benefit for which the provider can’t bring a claim in law (eg because there is no contract), the court has a discretion to order payment.

There are lots of summaries online but here is one from a reputable firm of solicitors: https://www.walkermorris.co.uk/comment-opinion/a-quantum-meruit-a-remedy-for-risk-takers/

I think the court would be likely to award something here. Notwithstanding OP might say “well it is not a benefit to me as I would have done it myself” the fact is she hasn’t had to and the court would recognise that.

I really don’t think any court would even consider granting this, it would imply that a tradesman could randomly come to any house and do work and then bill the owner. Quantum Meruit is far more about cases where there is an implied contract, or certainly co-operation or collaboration between the parties. If OP had been there, chatted to the gardener and not tried to stop him then maybe, as she would have implicitly accepted the contract. But she had no contract, wasn’t there, and had no warning. So no, I certainly wouldn’t pay.

AthWat · 16/05/2025 11:40

snowmichael · 16/05/2025 11:38

YANBU, as you rightly say, you didn't ask the gardener to do it (previous owners did) and so you shouldn't pay for it
BUT
If they did a good job, would you consider using them again?
f so, make a deal - 4 visits for the price of 4 sort of thing - for them to do more work for you?

The OP has said they do it themselves, if they wanted to pay for a gardener I'm sure they were aware such services were available.

Kissedbyfire1 · 16/05/2025 11:39

Debinaround · 16/05/2025 11:02

That’s outrageous! Did they say why it was you who had to pay and not the person that ordered the work?

Along the lines of the person who ordered the work was was acting in good faith (believed they held some sort of right/responsibility) and the person who carried out the work believed that the say-so of the person ordering it was sufficient. We made the point that on that basis anyone could order anything to be done to someone else’s property and leave them with the bill, but that didn’t convince the county court.

krustykittens · 16/05/2025 11:39

While I feel very sorry for the gardener, it is the previous owners mistake and they need to pay the bill in full.

kindlyensure · 16/05/2025 11:38

This is so odd. I have regular seasonal work on my house and not one service has ever just assumed and turned up. Also, who is the invoice addressed to? A contractor will address it to Mr and Mrs Smith, house address.

So you're saying this person turned up, did the work without a by-your-leave then came back and knocked on the door to give the invoice? None of this makes sense. The invoice would have been emailed or possibly put through the door at time of service, addressed to the client.

There are two parties at fault here (previous owners and the gardener). This is not your problem.

snowmichael · 16/05/2025 11:38

gardendramas5 · 16/05/2025 09:24

I’m pretty sure I’m not being unreasonable but I just want to see what other people think.

I purchased my house December last year. It was empty for at least 2 years (ex rental)

The previous owners kept the front and back garden tidy whilst it was on the market, no idea if it was them that did the work or if they paid someone. Both gardens are quite large. I started doing all of this myself when I took ownership.

Anyway, I’ve been away for the last week with family and came home on Wednesday to freshly cut grass, weeds pulled etc. I asked my neighbours if they had seen anyone but they were at work. It turns out that the previous owners hired a company to do the work and hadn’t notified them that they’d sold the house last year. I only found this out yesterday as the gardener turned up with the invoice. I explained I wasn’t aware of this arrangement and that he would have to invoice the previous owners for the work (I was polite and apologised for the inconvenience but made it clear I hadn’t asked for this work to be done and wasn’t prepared to pay for it either)

He knocked on again this morning and explained that he’d spoken to them yesterday and that they agreed to pay half (because it was their error) but that I should pay the rest because I’m the one benefiting from the work. I told him no sorry I’m not paying and he needs to take it up with them.

I do feel bad for the gardener, but it’s their fault. I didn't ask for this. They were awkward during the conveyancing process too so this doesn’t surprise me. AIBU?

YANBU, as you rightly say, you didn't ask the gardener to do it (previous owners did) and so you shouldn't pay for it
BUT
If they did a good job, would you consider using them again?
f so, make a deal - 4 visits for the price of 4 sort of thing - for them to do more work for you?

NamechangeforLCJ · 16/05/2025 11:38

And by the way the doctrine only covers genuine mistakes, for anyone who’s wondering. The following example wouldn’t be covered because it’s someone deliberately trying to engineer the situation.

I might start turning up to PPs with stuff and leaving things I no longer want on their doorstep, then demand they pay half of the value as “they have the benefit” of said item, whether they wanted it or not!

sansou · 16/05/2025 11:37

No way would I pay. I would be concerned about some stranger doing work I never asked for on my property without my permission/knowledge!