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Netflixandchill25 · 15/05/2025 22:13

I’m starting to find all these deals between Trump and the dodgy Middle East nations quite scary. Latest being the AI deal with Abu Dhabi.

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Todayisaday · 16/05/2025 15:38

Do you know much about the middle east OP?
Stop reading bbc news (basic and somewhat biased news) and broaden your understanding of the world.
Read the economist, watch al jazeera, generally broaden where you get your news from. You need to read from a variety of sources and perspectives to form an opinion.
Just watching bbc news is not giving you the full picture.

JudgeJ · 16/05/2025 15:34

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 16/05/2025 13:50

A colonisers position is never valid.

In your opinion.

PhilomenaPunk · 16/05/2025 15:24

EasternEcho · 16/05/2025 15:21

No, my whataboutism for what you said in your first response to me which was irrelevant to begin with. For the third time, my response was to the question "which Arab countries". I thought OP made it clear. So talking about the UK and US was irrelevant.

I'll try to type slowly.

1.First YOU wrote: what about the UK? What about the US? in response to my first comment. That was irrelevant from the get go and I said whataboutism was lame.

2.. Writing about Iran or whatever in your second response, doesn't make it anymore relevant to my initial post, and my first response stands.

3.No matter how many times you keep coming at me, your responses are still irrelevant to my first comment, which is AGAIN about which Arab countries OP was referring to. That and ONLY that.

If you still don't get it, I'm afraid I can't help you. You can keep replying of course if that will help you.

Oh look, personal insults. What a surprise.

EasternEcho · 16/05/2025 15:21

PhilomenaPunk · 16/05/2025 15:02

You literally said ‘Whataboutism is a lame argument’ so I responded to you on that point. Why are you trying to backtrack now?

No, my whataboutism for what you said in your first response to me which was irrelevant to begin with. For the third time, my response was to the question "which Arab countries". I thought OP made it clear. So talking about the UK and US was irrelevant.

I'll try to type slowly.

1.First YOU wrote: what about the UK? What about the US? in response to my first comment. That was irrelevant from the get go and I said whataboutism was lame.

2.. Writing about Iran or whatever in your second response, doesn't make it anymore relevant to my initial post, and my first response stands.

3.No matter how many times you keep coming at me, your responses are still irrelevant to my first comment, which is AGAIN about which Arab countries OP was referring to. That and ONLY that.

If you still don't get it, I'm afraid I can't help you. You can keep replying of course if that will help you.

Gissah · 16/05/2025 15:11

I find the cognitive dissonance astounding, the west has no legs to stand on or fingers to point in the morality game. There's not a country on earth without dirty laundry. If we were purely basing trade on morality then we would have sanctions on the US. Ireland would have sanctions on us. The whole of the middle east should have sanctions on the US and the UK. But no, it's just those dodgy middle eastern countries.

Love from me and my dodgy Khaleeji children x

JHound · 16/05/2025 15:09

Netflixandchill25 · 16/05/2025 09:39

History. Not present day. That’s like judging all Germans on the holocaust. Grow up.

There is a reason why….in the PRESENT day, so many companies in the wealthy West offshore to poorer countries.

JHound · 16/05/2025 15:07

No

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/05/2025 15:06

PhilomenaPunk · 16/05/2025 15:04

It’s utterly mind blowing to me. But let me guess, when other countries do it it’s terrorism. When the US does it it’s what? Justice? It’s sickening.

Nor about all the US interference in the ME which partly led to this shit show.

PhilomenaPunk · 16/05/2025 15:04

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/05/2025 14:53

They obviously don't know about the US training and funding terrorist groups.

It’s utterly mind blowing to me. But let me guess, when other countries do it it’s terrorism. When the US does it it’s what? Justice? It’s sickening.

PhilomenaPunk · 16/05/2025 15:02

EasternEcho · 16/05/2025 14:54

Whatever you have said in this comment is not relevant to what I said. Again,I addressed the question of which countries the OP was referring to, It was clear to me, even if it wasn't to you. I don't see the point of you going on about things to me that I never raised anywhere on this thread. I never said anything about th word "dodgy" either. Take it up with those who did.

You literally said ‘Whataboutism is a lame argument’ so I responded to you on that point. Why are you trying to backtrack now?

EasternEcho · 16/05/2025 14:54

PhilomenaPunk · 16/05/2025 14:46

It’s not whataboutery to point out the rank hypocrisy that always abounds on these threads. The West is still under the misapprehension that it has some moral superiority over the rest of the world when it is blatantly not the case. The US is a country that has huge amounts of corruption, gerrymandering, lobbying, voter suppression and not to mention even a - albeit laughable - attempt at a coup not that long ago. If all of that had been happening in say, Iran, the US would have been the first lining up with the bombs. So framing the argument as the US versus “dodgy” countries is insulting, inaccurate and racist.

Calling them “dodgy Middle Eastern countries” is racist. I am not in favour of any of the regimes. But I am not making moral judgements based upon my prejudices.

Whatever you have said in this comment is not relevant to what I said. Again,I addressed the question of which countries the OP was referring to, It was clear to me, even if it wasn't to you. I don't see the point of you going on about things to me that I never raised anywhere on this thread. I never said anything about th word "dodgy" either. Take it up with those who did.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/05/2025 14:53

PhilomenaPunk · 16/05/2025 14:49

Are you seriously trying to make a point about another country’s warmongering in a thread about the US? Really? War is America’s currency. But which is the dodgy one again?

They obviously don't know about the US training and funding terrorist groups.

PhilomenaPunk · 16/05/2025 14:49

swimsong · 16/05/2025 14:30

Where to start?

How about with Qatar - which has been a key financial supporter of Hamas, giving them more than $1.8 billion over the last couple of decades.

Are you seriously trying to make a point about another country’s warmongering in a thread about the US? Really? War is America’s currency. But which is the dodgy one again?

PhilomenaPunk · 16/05/2025 14:46

EasternEcho · 16/05/2025 12:04

Firstly, I was referring to your post where you said you didn't know which Arab countries OP was referring to. I pointed out that her post alluded to which countries these were. As for the US - it is precisely for the reasons that you give that makes the deal makings even more dangerous. Whataboutism is a lame argument. I am merely pointing out that the narrow issue that the OP has raised i.e. The US, The Arab nations in question, and AI is a matter of concern. If you think it isn't, that's your prerogative.

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It’s not whataboutery to point out the rank hypocrisy that always abounds on these threads. The West is still under the misapprehension that it has some moral superiority over the rest of the world when it is blatantly not the case. The US is a country that has huge amounts of corruption, gerrymandering, lobbying, voter suppression and not to mention even a - albeit laughable - attempt at a coup not that long ago. If all of that had been happening in say, Iran, the US would have been the first lining up with the bombs. So framing the argument as the US versus “dodgy” countries is insulting, inaccurate and racist.

Calling them “dodgy Middle Eastern countries” is racist. I am not in favour of any of the regimes. But I am not making moral judgements based upon my prejudices.

SpringGreenOnion · 16/05/2025 14:39

Netflixandchill25 · 15/05/2025 22:20

My news consumption is limited to the BBC app!

haha no wonder you’re “terrified” if that’s the drivel you’ve been consuming. Spread your wings a bit.

swimsong · 16/05/2025 14:30

PhilomenaPunk · 15/05/2025 22:37

Dodgy Middle East nations? What exactly makes them dodgy? @Netflixandchill25

Where to start?

How about with Qatar - which has been a key financial supporter of Hamas, giving them more than $1.8 billion over the last couple of decades.

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 16/05/2025 13:50

JudgeJ · 16/05/2025 13:37

Whether or not Mandela, or any other leader, was a terrorist always depends on one's position, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Did the Nazis consider the French Resistance to be freedom fighters or terrorists?

A colonisers position is never valid.

JudgeJ · 16/05/2025 13:37

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 16/05/2025 01:02

Nelson Mandela was not a terrorist.

Whether or not Mandela, or any other leader, was a terrorist always depends on one's position, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Did the Nazis consider the French Resistance to be freedom fighters or terrorists?

Pyew · 16/05/2025 13:30

I thought he was after a plane from them. Not much to worry about, the guy's always getting handouts.

JudgeJ · 16/05/2025 13:27

Netflixandchill25 · 15/05/2025 22:13

I’m starting to find all these deals between Trump and the dodgy Middle East nations quite scary. Latest being the AI deal with Abu Dhabi.

Look at History, 1960s Cuban missile crisis, 4 minute warnings, 1980s IRA murders, today is no less terrifying than those days and we survived. I was recall at the height of the Cuban missile crisis we knew there was an ultimatum on the table and there was a real fear that there could be nuclear war before the end of school.

Dweetfidilove · 16/05/2025 13:22

Terrified? No.

Laughing at the idiots who voted Trump into office to make their lives better (pull off the world's biggest and most barefaced heist) though 🤷🏾‍♀️.

Hoping he'll employ me to help count the money after his term ends ☺️.

EasternEcho · 16/05/2025 13:22

Netflixandchill25 · 16/05/2025 13:14

That’s actually hilarious. You know the information you can access is heavily censored right? What about the women held against their will, employers hold their passports, not allowed mobile phones? You only have to glance at the Facebook groups, the way WOMEN are traded as property. “Nanny swaps” etc.

I really wouldn't bother with making a poster see sense when they believe that anything marginally above outright slave labour is getting a good deal and shouldn't expect anything else, like say basic human rights such as due process, protection from exploitation and abuse, adequate accomodation etc. The concept that many with no means of income in their home countries would endure extreme hardships without complaint to provide for their families is inconceivable to some.

Netflixandchill25 · 16/05/2025 13:14

Dorisbonson · 16/05/2025 12:17

Yes but all the immigrants here chose to be here for work and if you talk to them they prefer it there than in their home countries. They stay here and save or send money home. If it's not a problem for them why is it a problem for you?

That’s actually hilarious. You know the information you can access is heavily censored right? What about the women held against their will, employers hold their passports, not allowed mobile phones? You only have to glance at the Facebook groups, the way WOMEN are traded as property. “Nanny swaps” etc.

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Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 16/05/2025 13:13

They’ve been connected for years

Netflixandchill25 · 16/05/2025 13:11

EasternEcho · 16/05/2025 11:35

I thought it was quite clear which countries are being referred to from the "...deals between Trump and the dodgy Middle East nations "? The deals Trump is making right now are with Saudia Arabia, Qatar, and UAE, and lifting sanctions on Syria. Making billion dollar deals with countries that don't even have a semblance of democracy or human rights is a bit concerning.

Yes this exactly. I thought it was clear, maybe not

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