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How can I convince Dh to move back home?

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Cantstopsneezingatishoo · 15/05/2025 20:26

We live abroad. We had a great time when a bit younger and it’s a beautiful place, but we’re getting a little older now (mid 40’s) my parents are still ok but obviously ageing and I want to be around for them. I have work here, but would have more choice in the uk. I’d like our Dd to go to school in the uk.
The thought of being here when we’re older and retired makes me feel uneasy, I don’t feel
as secure as i’d like.
He hates the thought of returning to the uk and won’t discuss it.

What do I do?

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OopsyDaisie · 16/05/2025 20:26

I empathise with you, it's a tough situation.
I think this is something you both must find a way to discuss properly. He can't simply shut you down as "UK is horrible right now", its not like that. Many countries are going through crisis... but people like to complain and if you believe what you read you'd think the UK was going down the drain...
Anyway I diverge... there must be room for discussion, what does each of your professional futures look like in Spain and UK? And personal lives? How about your daughter’s? You need ro talk about this, although legally she os rooted there and you know you can't take her away, it's not reasonable for a partner to simply put his foot down about about HE thinks is best without discussions.
But do get her Spanish citizenship, you'll regreti it if you don't. It will mean so many more doors are open for her future, and it makes no difference about the fact you can't uproot her form there on your own (you can't anyway, having a Spanish passport doesn't change that).

PurpleThistle7 · 16/05/2025 20:23

There are many children at my children’s schools who don’t speak English at home and are succeeding in an English speaking school so I am surprised that she’s struggling as well. Usually takes around a year for a child to be fully bilingual but if your daughter was born in Spain she should be much further along. was she in an English speaking nursery or something?

worth remembering that many, many people immigrate and settle into their new country, raising children in an very different place to where they grew up. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that, and nothing inherently wrong with finding a place where you want to be in the world and making it happen. Unfortunately that happened for your husband and not for you. I really do understand - my husband is much more himself in Scotland than I’ll ever be, but at this point I’m not really American either.

in all honesty are you sure it would be that much better here? Am guessing you’d find plenty of things aren’t as great as you’re picturing - grass is always greener etc. Is it just to see family? I obviously am the outlier here as I think the uk and Spain are super close together and live thousands of miles further away from my parents - not to say I recommend that mind!

housinglife · 16/05/2025 20:22

I really can’t agree with posters saying it too much of an uproot for her daughter to go to
tje UK. Get a grip people, she’s 7! She’ll adapt fine!

housinglife · 16/05/2025 20:19

I really feel for you OP.

Unfortunately too many men are comfortable just sticking to what they want, regardless of the impact on their wife. .

I agree with you that being surrounded by her extended family is better for your daughter No child can have too much love.

Look up Hague Mothers. Speak to a solicitor specializing in this area. If you want to go back to the UK,,and I think this is a better option than living with and being dependent on a man you will increasingly resent and despise, you need to find a way to go back home. It might be a long hard struggle but some women find a way. You never know, if you really start to take action, your H may wake up and agree to move back. Once back you can get on with divorcing him.

FedupofArsenalgame · 16/05/2025 20:17

Cantstopsneezingatishoo · 16/05/2025 20:08

Yes, same in our family, but English is obviously still the dominant language

The writing at school was more of an issue as only ever did written schoolwork in Spanish

Zezet · 16/05/2025 20:16

InterIgnis · 16/05/2025 20:11

Conversely, I went to school with other immigrant children that very much struggled with being moved from their home country to that of their parents*, and never considered the country they were moved to, to be home for them. Some did return as adults, and others moved somewhere else entirely.

*and these were cases where both parents were on the same page, unlike you and your DH.

Edited

Yes, this, but I don't think the OP is interested in entertaining the idea that this might apply to her child.

She wants her child's interests to be as she presumes them, not her husband, or the law, or best practice.

Because she doesn't want to admit she wants to move back DESPITE (or regardless of) the burden it would put on her daughter.

She is just miserable. Which... sucks.

Commonsense22 · 16/05/2025 20:15

You may have a rose tinted view of the UK as your dh is right, the UK is a very tough place to live now.
I think in particular school-wise, there's very little chance of the experience being better here. I'm fact, the UK school system is an absolute disaster right now and we're considering moving to to Europe for our DC's sake.

That said it seems to be mainly about your feelings and they are what they are, so I'd tell your DH it's making you reconsider the marriage, if indeed it is, and see how he reacts.
If not, be grateful for cheap flights. And sun.

whitewineandsun · 16/05/2025 20:12

She also has prospects in the a member country of the EU, arguably more than she would in the UK (even if that requires moving from your specific area in Spain).

I'd be thinking about this for my child tbh.

InterIgnis · 16/05/2025 20:11

Cantstopsneezingatishoo · 16/05/2025 20:02

A child of 7 is more rooted to their family than the area they live in, they easily make new friends and adapt, especially if the place they are going to is in their own language, school in their own language and a loving wider family all around them to welcome them, the benefits are huge
I have had ex pat friends return at all different stages, the most recent last year, her Dd barely remembers much about living here and is happily settled at an English school with lovely friends and their families around

Conversely, I went to school with other immigrant children that very much struggled with being moved from their home country to that of their parents*, and never considered the country they were moved to, to be home for them. Some did return as adults, and others moved somewhere else entirely.

*and these were cases where both parents were on the same page, unlike you and your DH.

whitewineandsun · 16/05/2025 20:09

Popsicle1981 · 16/05/2025 06:59

You’ve not really sold it to him. ‘We should move back to the UK to take on a couple of decades of care for elderly relatives’

Not exactly appealing, no. Plus, the cost of living seems so high in the UK from what I read on here.

Zezet · 16/05/2025 20:08

Cantstopsneezingatishoo · 16/05/2025 20:02

A child of 7 is more rooted to their family than the area they live in, they easily make new friends and adapt, especially if the place they are going to is in their own language, school in their own language and a loving wider family all around them to welcome them, the benefits are huge
I have had ex pat friends return at all different stages, the most recent last year, her Dd barely remembers much about living here and is happily settled at an English school with lovely friends and their families around

Yes of course they are MORE attached to their parents (mother AND father). I am not arguing it would be better for her to stay there if you both went back.

That doesn't mean she isn't rooted in her country and her community and you wouldn't do harm moving her out.

And don't forget, it's not two parents versus one child here. It's you OR the dad, and on top of that the disruption away from Spain.

Honestly, it sucks. You ARE trapped. But you trapped yourself and you can't make it better now by anything other than either finding a solution with your husband, or abducting your own child. The latter is seriously frowned upon.

Cantstopsneezingatishoo · 16/05/2025 20:08

FedupofArsenalgame · 16/05/2025 20:06

Oh . The nursery and school my friends child went to was all Spanish speaking. Her dad also learnt the language

Edited

Yes, same in our family, but English is obviously still the dominant language

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CaptainFuture · 16/05/2025 20:07

@Cantstopsneezingatishoo why did you move to Spain? What do you both do there? Have you just grown to totally resent it?

InterIgnis · 16/05/2025 20:07

Cantstopsneezingatishoo · 16/05/2025 19:50

It would be better for her in the uk, not me, but her too

Your husband believes otherwise 🤷🏻‍♀️ in practice, it doesn’t automatically follow that a parent wanting to believe something will be better for their child (which just so happens to be something that would be better for the parent), means that it actually will be better for their child.

As it stands, this isn’t a theory you’re going to be able to test.

Cantstopsneezingatishoo · 16/05/2025 20:07

CaptainFuture · 16/05/2025 20:05

But it sounds like you're saying to move back to the UK as your parents will need you to be their carers so can't see that selling well to him.
Are both you from the same area in UK your parents are in or is it a done thing you'll move to them?

I don’t know if I will need to care for them, but I want to be there in case I do, I think that’s a pretty normal thing to think about your parents and to want to be around for them
His parents have passed

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FedupofArsenalgame · 16/05/2025 20:06

Cantstopsneezingatishoo · 16/05/2025 20:05

It’s an international ex pat area & she was born into an English family, she would not speak better Spanish than English if brought up in an English family, it doesn’t work like that. My child speaks the language but the majority of her British or International friends barely speak it

Oh . The nursery and school my friends child went to was all Spanish speaking. Her dad also learnt the language

Cantstopsneezingatishoo · 16/05/2025 20:05

FedupofArsenalgame · 16/05/2025 19:58

I wondered this. I have friends who lived in Spain. Their child was born there and her Spanish was better than her English. She struggled in school when in uk

It’s an international ex pat area & she was born into an English family, she would not speak better Spanish than English if brought up in an English family, it doesn’t work like that. My child speaks the language but the majority of her British or International friends barely speak it

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CaptainFuture · 16/05/2025 20:05

Cantstopsneezingatishoo · 16/05/2025 19:46

Did you read what I wrote? The prospects and just happiness and security would be much better around our family in the uk, we are alone here

But it sounds like you're saying to move back to the UK as your parents will need you to be their carers so can't see that selling well to him.
Are both you from the same area in UK your parents are in or is it a done thing you'll move to them?

Cantstopsneezingatishoo · 16/05/2025 20:02

Zezet · 16/05/2025 19:57

Some of us were that child, and many of us have those kids and we have read the literature and our expatriating employers, who send us abroad, have family officers to talk this through and we have the now-grown kid if older colleagues talk about it and many colleagues who were expats themselves and they talk about...

A 7-year-old living in a culture not her parents' is not uncommon at all. There is much information about it.

Honestly, the consensus in my circles (= expat expat expat) is kids attach to their families until the age of three-ish, then they are putting down roots in the community, and of course as teens they detach from their parents and it becomes a while different ballpark.

7 = rooted, almost all of the time/if your child is at all socialized.

A child of 7 is more rooted to their family than the area they live in, they easily make new friends and adapt, especially if the place they are going to is in their own language, school in their own language and a loving wider family all around them to welcome them, the benefits are huge
I have had ex pat friends return at all different stages, the most recent last year, her Dd barely remembers much about living here and is happily settled at an English school with lovely friends and their families around

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FedupofArsenalgame · 16/05/2025 19:58

Bumblebeestiltskin · 16/05/2025 19:52

Why does she struggle with the language, if she was born in Spain? I know a few kids and teenagers who grew up in Spain (both mainland and islands), and they're pretty much bilingual.

Edited

I wondered this. I have friends who lived in Spain. Their child was born there and her Spanish was better than her English. She struggled in school when in uk

InterIgnis · 16/05/2025 19:58

Cantstopsneezingatishoo · 16/05/2025 19:46

Did you read what I wrote? The prospects and just happiness and security would be much better around our family in the uk, we are alone here

No, that it what you want to be true, that does not in any way guarantee that actually being her experience.

She doesn’t need to be around wider family in order to feel happy and secure. She also has prospects in the a member country of the EU, arguably more than she would in the UK (even if that requires moving from your specific area in Spain).

Your husband has communicated to you that returning to the UK as an intact family is not an option available to you. You cannot force him to provide you with what you want, you can only make decisions based on the options that are.

Cantstopsneezingatishoo · 16/05/2025 19:58

PurpleThistle7 · 16/05/2025 19:54

It was easier for us as our kids are much better off here (uk) than where we grew up (the states) so I would have moved just for me.

if you said you are going are you sure he’d want you to leave your daughter there? Cause splitting up and moving home ‘with’ your daughter is an option if he agrees. Setting you up for years of flying back and forth but maybe that’s worth it? You don’t sound particularly invested in the relationship

He wouldn’t allow me to go with her, to take her away I mean, but equally he wouldn’t manage with her on her own! (That will never be an option though)

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Zezet · 16/05/2025 19:57

Flyswats · 16/05/2025 19:29

"some of us" yeah, right. You speak for the crowd of displaced women on this thread, a whole crowd of people, who as 7 yr olds were forced to move homes.

😂

Some of us were that child, and many of us have those kids and we have read the literature and our expatriating employers, who send us abroad, have family officers to talk this through and we have the now-grown kid if older colleagues talk about it and many colleagues who were expats themselves and they talk about...

A 7-year-old living in a culture not her parents' is not uncommon at all. There is much information about it.

Honestly, the consensus in my circles (= expat expat expat) is kids attach to their families until the age of three-ish, then they are putting down roots in the community, and of course as teens they detach from their parents and it becomes a while different ballpark.

7 = rooted, almost all of the time/if your child is at all socialized.

PurpleThistle7 · 16/05/2025 19:54

It was easier for us as our kids are much better off here (uk) than where we grew up (the states) so I would have moved just for me.

if you said you are going are you sure he’d want you to leave your daughter there? Cause splitting up and moving home ‘with’ your daughter is an option if he agrees. Setting you up for years of flying back and forth but maybe that’s worth it? You don’t sound particularly invested in the relationship

Bumblebeestiltskin · 16/05/2025 19:52

Why does she struggle with the language, if she was born in Spain? I know a few kids and teenagers who grew up in Spain (both mainland and islands), and they're pretty much bilingual.