Page 6 | Mayflower primary school - nappy changing facilities for school aged children

2011j · 2025-05-15T13:23:22+00:00

AIBU to think this shouldn't be necessary? Not including those with sen, children should be potty trained before starting school - AIBU?

Seagullsandsausagerolls · 17/05/2025 19:38

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 19:24

You see - I put the effort in to get them to use the toilet.
Disabled kids need an assessment of needs and correct provision provided. HTH

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What happens whilst these assessments take place? We spent two years at mainstream waiting on the education board getting their finger out. The continence clinic refused to see him as he was "too young". I was broken trying everything I could. Changing and washing clothing and bedding multiple times a day was such a fun and the cost of nappies and pads was financially crippling me. I used reusables for years but these obviously were not practical as he grew.

Better assessments and earlier intervention is needed. No money though.

My DS turned out to have partial chromosomal deletion. I knew there was something wrong from day one the NHS didn't agree it took a locum doctor to spot the obvious when he was 5! The professor we attended said it was a textbook case.

We were very lucky to even get a place at a specialist school. They weren't closed for inclusion they were closed because they cost too much.

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 19:38

x2boys · 17/05/2025 19:33

Sorry I misread the previous quote .

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No problem. I understand that you are dealing with disability. You need all the help and consideration possible. To be clear here I’m pointing out the loser parents of nondisabled kids that (parents) just can’t be bothered. I feel sorry for these kids getting a literally shitty start at school.

x2boys · 17/05/2025 19:35

Kirbert2 · 17/05/2025 19:33

Yep.

My son needs changing multiple times a day, every single day at school and his teacher has never and will never change him. He isn't even named on his intimate care plan.

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Even in special school, s it's not usually teachers they have staff whose specific role is toileting,and personal hygiene.

Kirbert2 · 17/05/2025 19:33

x2boys · 17/05/2025 19:29

It probably won't be a teacher.

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Yep.

My son needs changing multiple times a day, every single day at school and his teacher has never and will never change him. He isn't even named on his intimate care plan.

x2boys · 17/05/2025 19:33

x2boys · 17/05/2025 19:32

What do you mean mental ,physical health ,if a child can't use the toilet for physical reason, s they will still be disabled in some way.

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Sorry I misread the previous quote .

x2boys · 17/05/2025 19:32

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 19:30

Then hopefully you’ll understand the difference between loser parents not bothering to toilet train and parents of kids who can’t use the toilet due to mental/physical health.

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What do you mean mental ,physical health ,if a child can't use the toilet for physical reason, s they will still be disabled in some way.

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 19:30

x2boys · 17/05/2025 19:27

I'm aware of that I'm the parent of a disabled child HTH.

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Then hopefully you’ll understand the difference between loser parents not bothering to toilet train and parents of kids who can’t use the toilet due to mental/physical health.

x2boys · 17/05/2025 19:29

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 19:22

Great that you asked your question.
How do the other kids in the class manage with missing class time whilst the teacher cleans up your kid? I’m thinking of kids with additional needs that would struggle being left without a teacher for some time.

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It probably won't be a teacher.

Sirzy · 17/05/2025 19:29

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 19:27

Illness (vomit, diarrhoea, nose bleeds) can’t be compared to kids whose parents haven’t bothered to toilet train. Kids having an accident is the same reasoning in early years. It happens but it’s not the same as arriving at school in a nappy not knowing how to use a toilet.

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Actually a child in a nappy is easier because we can plan changes (pretty much!)

x2boys · 17/05/2025 19:27

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 19:24

You see - I put the effort in to get them to use the toilet.
Disabled kids need an assessment of needs and correct provision provided. HTH

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I'm aware of that I'm the parent of a disabled child HTH.

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 19:27

Sirzy · 17/05/2025 19:23

So the equivalent would be if they threw up in school. Should the staff leave them sat in their office covered in vomit until the parents arrive?

Many “toilet trained” children have accidents in reception by the way.

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Illness (vomit, diarrhoea, nose bleeds) can’t be compared to kids whose parents haven’t bothered to toilet train. Kids having an accident is the same reasoning in early years. It happens but it’s not the same as arriving at school in a nappy not knowing how to use a toilet.

x2boys · 17/05/2025 19:26

Sirzy · 17/05/2025 19:23

So the equivalent would be if they threw up in school. Should the staff leave them sat in their office covered in vomit until the parents arrive?

Many “toilet trained” children have accidents in reception by the way.

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Quite and this isn't a new thing
I have a strong memory of a child being scrubbed in a yellow bucket after a faeces accident when iwas in reception ( I think I was the only other child around for some resson) and I started school in 1978!

Kirbert2 · 17/05/2025 19:25

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 19:22

Great that you asked your question.
How do the other kids in the class manage with missing class time whilst the teacher cleans up your kid? I’m thinking of kids with additional needs that would struggle being left without a teacher for some time.

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Did you not read my comment? His teacher doesn't change him. Very first thing I said.

He has an intimate care plan, 2 named people on it and they are the ones who change him.

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 19:24

x2boys · 17/05/2025 19:21

And whst if theu couldn't?
What if one of your children were disabled?

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You see - I put the effort in to get them to use the toilet.
Disabled kids need an assessment of needs and correct provision provided. HTH

x2boys · 17/05/2025 19:23

ThejoyofNC · 17/05/2025 19:17

A child with no SEN or other disabilities who is incontinent should be capable of changing themselves by school age. Why would a teacher need to do it?

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If they have no disabilities it's highly unlikely they would be in nappies in the first place it's far easier for a child to go to the toilet then change their own nappy.

Sirzy · 17/05/2025 19:23

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 19:18

No because my kids could use the toilet before they started school.

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So the equivalent would be if they threw up in school. Should the staff leave them sat in their office covered in vomit until the parents arrive?

Many “toilet trained” children have accidents in reception by the way.

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 19:22

Kirbert2 · 17/05/2025 19:16

I asked a question first. Where are these children who will never get accepted into a sen school going to go?

His teacher doesn't clean him up but yes, he goes to a mainstream school and they clean him up there. Of course I'd expect things to be in place to help him access an education where he has nowhere else to go.

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Great that you asked your question.
How do the other kids in the class manage with missing class time whilst the teacher cleans up your kid? I’m thinking of kids with additional needs that would struggle being left without a teacher for some time.

Kirbert2 · 17/05/2025 19:21

ThejoyofNC · 17/05/2025 19:17

A child with no SEN or other disabilities who is incontinent should be capable of changing themselves by school age. Why would a teacher need to do it?

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My son doesn't have a learning disability but he is physically disabled and incapable of changing himself.

x2boys · 17/05/2025 19:21

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 19:18

No because my kids could use the toilet before they started school.

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And whst if theu couldn't?
What if one of your children were disabled?

x2boys · 17/05/2025 19:20

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 19:11

You expect a teacher to clean up your kid?

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It will be in a personal careplan so not necessarily a teacher but someone will have to do it ,otherwise it's neglect and also discrimination, all kids even incontinent ones are entitled to an education, wether you like that or not.

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 19:18

Sirzy · 17/05/2025 19:15

You expect a teacher to leave you child sat in their own mess?

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No because my kids could use the toilet before they started school.

ThejoyofNC · 17/05/2025 19:17

Kirbert2 · 17/05/2025 19:09

and the children who are incontinent but have no learning disabilities so would never be accepted into a sen school?

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A child with no SEN or other disabilities who is incontinent should be capable of changing themselves by school age. Why would a teacher need to do it?

Kirbert2 · 17/05/2025 19:16

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 19:11

You expect a teacher to clean up your kid?

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I asked a question first. Where are these children who will never get accepted into a sen school going to go?

His teacher doesn't clean him up but yes, he goes to a mainstream school and they clean him up there. Of course I'd expect things to be in place to help him access an education where he has nowhere else to go.

Sirzy · 17/05/2025 19:15

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 19:11

You expect a teacher to clean up your kid?

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You expect a teacher to leave you child sat in their own mess?

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 19:12

x2boys · 17/05/2025 19:07

13 pages in and you chime in with this " insightful " ( sarcastic ) post .

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Yes - it’s my opinion.