Mayflower primary school - nappy changing facilities for school aged children

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i stand by my comment that you expect your child to be changed by the teacher whilst other kids with possible SEN and no additional needs have to miss part of the lesson and keep focus. I’d have contacted my kids school if they were missing class time most days of the week time due to a child who couldn’t control their bowel and bladder or for any other disruptive reason.

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i stand by my comment that you expect your child to be changed by the teacher whilst other kids with possible SEN and no additional needs have to miss part of the lesson and keep focus. I’d have contacted my kids school if they were missing class time most days of the week time due to a child who couldn’t control their bowel and bladder or for any other disruptive reason.

I don't think I have. Especially just correcting someone who clearly questioned my son getting changed at a mainstream school knowing he has extra needs who is now denying it ever happened.

You did about my son who is changed at school. I explained he wouldn't be able to attend a SEN school because your first comment seemed to imply that all children who need changing at school with additional needs should go to a SEN school and you said something about his teacher changing him.

In the nicest possible way, you've taken nearly every comment on this thread as a personal attack even though barely any of them actually apply.

You did about my son who is changed at school. I explained he wouldn't be able to attend a SEN school because your first comment seemed to imply that all children who need changing at school with additional needs should go to a SEN school and you said something about his teacher changing him.

No not at all. I’ve clearly spoken about non SEN kids as this is what the thread is about.

Help is out there. The issue that is over looked is the parents who can’t be bothered. Hard to identify by social services and the problems suffered by the kids are awful. Not blaming social services.

I absolutely do, but if those kids don't get that support then what? We ban the children from receiving an education? Their parents have let them down so we wash our hands of them?

Several but how else do you explain the rise in potty training age? Children with disabilities have always existed. Some people must find using nappies more convenient or why else would you leave it longer? Maybe because disposables are easier than the Terry's.

How agressive! Of course kids need support but this starts with the parents not the teachers. You clearly can’t understand that kids need help before they get to school.

Some people on this thread have absolutely questioned children with disabilities getting changed at mainstream schools though, including yourself.

And if those kids come to school needing their bums changed it's not the kids fault. They should be able to attend school in a dignified manner. Or as dignified a manner as possible. Why don't you want to support kids already suffering horrible home lives?

Do you know someone in that position?

Well it's clearly a preference in some of the cases of later training.

I’m not calling you a loser parent at all.
What you need to realise is that there are loser parents who can’t be bothered / nothing to do with SEN, disability. This is sad and awful for the kids. Drugs, alcohol, violence get in the way of parenting and then there’s the just can’t be bothered to parent parent. It’s sad.

I'm not sure anyone loves changing nappies.

The problem is the people wanting to pin this on a parenting issue while discounting social issues in the cases of genuine neglect, SEN, lack of provision for SEN education, lack of available resourcesto diagnose early etc etc

I disagree. The problem is people wanting to pin everything on SEN while discounting the role parents have to play in teaching their children to use the toilet and perform basic self help skills.

Or maybe we need to be asking what the fuck is in the water that we have so many more children with SEN than we did 20 years ago.

I agree that SEN will account for som children still being in nappies at 4 and not being ready for school, but it also needs to be remembered that SEN isn’t an excuse not to toilet train. Many children with SEN in mainstream school will physically develop in line with their peers, so while it might be harder to teach them, it is not impossible.

For me it was hating the nappies. I'd much rather have them in pants and deal with the accidents and constant toilet reminders than have another year of changing nappies.

There are parents who can’t be bothered. If this was tackled then there’d be time for the kids who, through no fault of the parents, need a nappy at school. I’ve not seen people on the thread refusing that special needs exist.

For me it was hating the nappies. I'd much rather have them in pants and deal with the accidents and constant toilet reminders than have another year of changing nappies.

@LGBirmingham

hard agree with this. Mine both trained at 1.5 and 2.5, 1.5 was actually the easiest, as she wanted to be like her older cousin and was eager to please - there was obviously a phase where we did lots of practice where she would sit on the potty whilst I did a wee on my days off with her, it wasn’t like I was forcing her to train, but she got the idea and we just progressed from there. There were a handful of accidents, but she was reliable. My son was harder but still done and very reliable within a couple of weeks. There is no advantage to waiting until they are ready - they are ready when they can communicate and when they look as if they understand when they might be able to do a poo or wee, but they are also ready if you try to practice and they look as if they might be getting it.

incidentally, i did the second week of potty training with my son on holiday (first at home on annual leave). so many people have said to me that they don’t want to take annual leave to potty train or to potty train on holiday! I mean, wtf wtf parenting is tough and time intensive and involves a level of sacrifice - no holidays with kids are as easy as without them - you just have to suck it up.