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Mayflower primary school - nappy changing facilities for school aged children

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2011j · 15/05/2025 14:23

AIBU to think this shouldn't be necessary?

Not including those with sen, children should be potty trained before starting school - AIBU?

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Kirbert2 · 18/05/2025 17:21

Barnbrack · 18/05/2025 17:18

Could you have a look at unbeatenmums point and tell me what you think should happen if a child needs to changed at school due to cerebral palsy but is entirely suitable academically for mainstream school.

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I tried in regards to my son who is bowel incontinent but suitable academically for mainstream school and didn't get a response.

Many, many children will be similar.

Barnbrack · 18/05/2025 17:18

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 17:00

Again - do read the op. If you don’t agree with the focus then start another thread. I can’t say it any clearer.

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Could you have a look at unbeatenmums point and tell me what you think should happen if a child needs to changed at school due to cerebral palsy but is entirely suitable academically for mainstream school.

UnbeatenMum · 18/05/2025 17:16

My son was only toilet trained by the time he started school (and only just) because we delayed his start by a year. He has Autism and Cerebral Palsy but is entirely suitable for mainstream education. Many children with mild Cerebral Palsy are trained a few years later than the average but would not need a SEN school.

Barnbrack · 18/05/2025 17:14

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:57

On the side of the loser parents? Why is that? To discount the abuse that kids endure is truly awful.

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Stop deflecting, I'm on the side of the children, who needs to be accommodated at school even while, in fact particularly while, their home life is lacking. Why don't you want that for those children? I grew up in an abusive household and school was my sanctuary. That's what I want for those kids.

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 17:07

Sirzy · 18/05/2025 17:01

Threads move on. Your the one trying to stop conversation!

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Not at all. You are free to write what you like. I’m just mentioning the focus of the op. Seriously have a read.

Sirzy · 18/05/2025 17:01

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 17:00

Again - do read the op. If you don’t agree with the focus then start another thread. I can’t say it any clearer.

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Threads move on. Your the one trying to stop conversation!

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 17:00

Sirzy · 18/05/2025 16:59

Your the one trying to argue that children with SEN/disablities (diagnosed or not) shouldn’t be part of the conversation

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Again - do read the op. If you don’t agree with the focus then start another thread. I can’t say it any clearer.

Sirzy · 18/05/2025 16:59

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:57

Ask the op why they set their post as they did. I am not the op.

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Your the one trying to argue that children with SEN/disablities (diagnosed or not) shouldn’t be part of the conversation

Kirbert2 · 18/05/2025 16:58

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:54

Not focusing on them - I was ready for the SEN ableist etc brigade and here we are.

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Someone was always going to point out the fact that not all SEN children need to be or can be in a SEN school with that comment.

So mainstream do have to put plans in place for incontinent children.

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:57

Sirzy · 18/05/2025 16:57

It might be in the op but it doesn’t mean it is a factor that can be discounted. Why would you discount the biggest factor in any debate?

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Ask the op why they set their post as they did. I am not the op.

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:57

Barnbrack · 18/05/2025 16:54

Because people want to have a convenient complain about parents and how parenting is falling apart ( 🙄having grown up in the 80s and seen the parenting around me at that point this is hilarious to me) while just erasing the fact the need for changing in school is massively due to ASN and lack of SEN provision. Oh no, it's these feckless parents!

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On the side of the loser parents? Why is that? To discount the abuse that kids endure is truly awful.

Sirzy · 18/05/2025 16:57

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:56

I can’t copy and paste the op but it is in the op. Fact.

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It might be in the op but it doesn’t mean it is a factor that can be discounted. Why would you discount the biggest factor in any debate?

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:56

Sirzy · 18/05/2025 16:54

You can state it as much as you like but it doesn’t make it true! To discount SEN is to discount the biggest factor at play.

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I can’t copy and paste the op but it is in the op. Fact.

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:54

Kirbert2 · 18/05/2025 16:53

Yet you brought up SEN children in your first comment suggesting that they need to be in SEN schools.

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Not focusing on them - I was ready for the SEN ableist etc brigade and here we are.

Sirzy · 18/05/2025 16:54

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:52

The op clearly states not about SEN. Have a read.

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You can state it as much as you like but it doesn’t make it true! To discount SEN is to discount the biggest factor at play.

Barnbrack · 18/05/2025 16:54

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:52

The op clearly states not about SEN. Have a read.

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Because people want to have a convenient complain about parents and how parenting is falling apart ( 🙄having grown up in the 80s and seen the parenting around me at that point this is hilarious to me) while just erasing the fact the need for changing in school is massively due to ASN and lack of SEN provision. Oh no, it's these feckless parents!

Kirbert2 · 18/05/2025 16:53

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:52

The op clearly states not about SEN. Have a read.

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Yet you brought up SEN children in your first comment suggesting that they need to be in SEN schools.

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:52

Sirzy · 18/05/2025 16:51

But it is about SEN. People are arguing that staff should never have to change nappies, in the vast majority of cases if a child is still in nappies when they start school there will be some sort of additional needs (diagnosed or not)

lots of children only receive diagnosis aged much older than 4 but that doesn’t mean the needs aren’t there.

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The op clearly states not about SEN. Have a read.

Kirbert2 · 18/05/2025 16:52

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:51

You post is timed a few minutes ago. I’m not a machine so I read and responded during the three minutes you posted again complaining that I’d not responded lol

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I responded the first time explaining that teachers don't generally change children, that is what I was meaning.

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:51

Kirbert2 · 18/05/2025 16:49

How was it a lie when you've just done it again? Not to mention completely ignoring my response that class teachers aren't usually the ones who change a child.

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You post is timed a few minutes ago. I’m not a machine so I read and responded during the three minutes you posted again complaining that I’d not responded lol

Sirzy · 18/05/2025 16:51

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:47

Agree and this thread isn’t about SEN so it’s a derailing attempt.

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But it is about SEN. People are arguing that staff should never have to change nappies, in the vast majority of cases if a child is still in nappies when they start school there will be some sort of additional needs (diagnosed or not)

lots of children only receive diagnosis aged much older than 4 but that doesn’t mean the needs aren’t there.

Kirbert2 · 18/05/2025 16:50

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:47

Agree and this thread isn’t about SEN so it’s a derailing attempt.

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It's going to include comments about SEN children when people like you suggest that all SEN children who need to be changed need to be in SEN schools when it isn't that simple or appropriate for all incontinent children.

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:49

Kirbert2 · 18/05/2025 16:46

I expect him to be changed because the alternative is leaving him soiled or him not having an education at all and neither are appropriate.

As I clearly explained before, his class teacher doesn't change him and isn't even named on his intimate care plan. TA's and other classroom support tend to change children.

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Good for you that you have a TA and other classroom support. Your kid has SEN but this thread isn’t about SEN.

Kirbert2 · 18/05/2025 16:49

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:44

What a big lie.

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How was it a lie when you've just done it again? Not to mention completely ignoring my response that class teachers aren't usually the ones who change a child.

ButterCrackers · 18/05/2025 16:47

ThejoyofNC · 18/05/2025 15:48

In the nicest possible way, you've taken nearly every comment on this thread as a personal attack even though barely any of them actually apply.

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Agree and this thread isn’t about SEN so it’s a derailing attempt.

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