To think people applying for hybrid roles while living nowhere near the office - then refusing to come in - are part of why the job market feels so broken right now?

Where on earth have you got that from?!

🙄Should you not be back in the office ushering in all your colleagues and ticking the register.

Hopefully they are now being put through a PIP for failure to comply with their terms of employment?

Not at all what you said!: which will be reflected in the fact they'll get more applicants and better talent for roles they advertise.
You're getting attraction and retention confused.
And name-calling is infantile.

Its completely true, just because your narrow minded views don't agree does not make it untrue, my long standing workforce with extremely low turn over says otherwise.

No of course not but FTSE companies lead the way. And damn sure there’s no “in the office” policies that aren’t 100 per cent supported by the CEO. They literally lead the culture of the company

I'm not sure how having a job with certain requirements makes you a 'better' employer than someone without those requirements.

And these days there is rarely a shortage of applicants and 'talent' for most jobs, so they'll likely have no trouble finding plenty of 'talented' candidates.

I've started not inviting people to interview if they live too far away because we've had so many issues with this.

We hired 3 people last year all of whom swore they were happy to commute 3 days, despite living a couple of hours away.

They now won't fucking come in. Its annoying, we've got juniors who need to learn from them. They do 2 days in a (rare) good week, 1 day is more typical. They don't come at all some weeks.

Not true. How would you know that sort of info when you're applying? Unless you already know someone there.

Have you not yet been introduced to Teams, phones, or emails? I've had no trouble being trained or training others in my WFH role.

Did you make clear in your application that your sister lived so close? And do you make clear when applying for jobs in Leeds, Derby or Nottingham that you'd be able to stay there too?

People have always lied it’s not new, it’s just a new thing to lie about.

and it doesn’t need hr to reply to the other poster it just needs a recruiting manager who can read and knows that if their job is in Manchester then a candidate living in Devon is probably not going to work

It absolutely makes them a better employer, which will be reflected in the fact they'll get more applicants and better talent for roles they advertise.

Which is fair if you've raised that at interview. We are three days in the office - no ifs, no buts, no negotiation. But the amount of people that go through the whole recruitment process reiterating at EVERY stage that they can meet the location requirements and hours of work only to try to negotiate at offer stage is INFURIATING. Why would we make an exception for you when every other member of the business is in 3 days? AND we've already checked in with you a thousand times in the interview process. Agggghhhh.

I'm more bothered about:

• Employers advertising hybrid roles when actually the role is FT in person
• Employers designing elaborate recruitment processes which take hours of unpaid work to get through
• Employers making employees work in offices for no reason (which unfairly penalises anyone with caring responsibilities, primarily women, and anyone with disabilities)
• Employers not even bothering to respond to candidates with a yes or no after applications or interviews
• Employers advertising jobs without salary and then offering an insulting wage at the end of the process

The job advert should state the minimum T & Cs, the applicant then has the choice to apply, and if they get offered the role, attempt to negotiate the T & Cs first offered. The employer has the choice as to how badly they want the candidate if they accept the negotiations or not.

Surely you realise that what works for you doesn't work for everyone?

Not 'giving a shit where they sit' doesn't make you 'better' than an employer who feels that some office presence is essential for their business. Obviously, if a potential employee doesn't want this they are free not to apply. There will likely be no shortage of decent candidates, so that's not an issue. But if they do choose to accept a job with mandatory office presence, then they're not 'doffing their cap' by keeping to the rules they agreed to.

Agree. My DD has just taken on three people in junior roles, it's a fantastic opportunity with a great company. There were a lot of good applicants. They have to come into the office 3 set days a week, and for the first 3 weeks every day for training.
I know without a shadow of doubt from what she's told me, they would not get through an interview or probation period if they did not adhere to this. They cannot train properly or fulfil their roles full time from home.
Covid has a lot to answer for, I think some people take the piss out of home working

As I already pointed out, as an employer myself. I'm more interested in having a happy resourceful and excellently skilled team, than giving a shit where they sit.

Employers who are obsessed where people are working or don't trust them need to reevaluate their way of working. Also spite full employees who spend more time spying and bitching about their colleagues rather than concentrating on their own jobs are not someone I want on my team.

It doesn’t matter what the reasons for it are - doesn’t change the fact that these men are making company policies that affect thousands of employees in England, which don’t work for lots of other groups of people; particularly working mums!

Keeping to the rules you agreed to when accepting the job is hardly 'doffing your cap'.

Ooh, that's helpful and I didn't know that - even right at the initial stage?

I come in once a fortnight usually less because my role can easily be done from
home. Most of the people I work with are based 300 miles away or abroad so I just feel
resentful coming in 🤷‍♀️

The days of doffing caps to the boss are way over, perhaps you need to get with the times 😂

You don't know that people have no intention of commuting though.

I did a 4 hour round trip for 2 days of work - stayed with a relative overnight.

My son commutes similar for his hybrid job at the moment - his Dad lives near the office and he stays overnight with there on his days in.

Employers need to flip the switch, so advertise jobs as full time office based. Yes you might lose out on the odd great candidate but really most jobs can be done by many people.
then negotiate a day off a week or whatever as a reasonable adjustment.
put off the wfh applicants from applying in the first place