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Removed child from Y6 SATS

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arachnidadriana · 14/05/2025 19:57

My child has SEND, significant enough to have warranted an EHCP from Reception age. She’s been at the same small school all through. Now in Y6.

I am so glad we are almost at the point of leaving. Before I get into this I should say I work around education (but am not a teacher) and very much see the good the bad and the ugly when it comes to schools and how children with SEND are and are not assisted. I have seen and heard it all over the last few years, the genuine schools who try their best but cannot do what is needed and the ones who really don’t.

The school have been awful. The first year or two were not so bad (before I had trained fully, and knew better) I muddled along the best I could, ensuring that my child had the support she was supposed to. There was never a time when the school could not accommodate her and what she needed, and the funding was sufficient to cover it. However, there were many many times when they chose to do otherwise. We’ve had the odd lovely teacher, but they’ve never lasted long, a term or two.

By the time I’d realised that really it was not a great place with increasingly poor leadership, my child was firmly settled in and all advice we received (and my own instinct) said a move for her would be disastrous and increase the EBSA. So we’ve stuck it out.

Despite the challenges, my child is very bright and academically able. This year has been geared around preparing for SATS all of which my child has coped with and done well at, with us supporting her at home. However, when it’s come to it last week, she’s just crumbled. She did not want to do the SATS, she’d worked herself up into a right state. Hasn’t been helped by some actions taken at school.

DH and I discussed this, and we’ve always said if she can’t manage the SATS then we’d be happy for her not to sit them. The less formal tests they do always put her at 2y + in her learning. We have no concerns there and her secondary place was sorted out over a year ago due to having the EHCP, not that secondaries really bother with SATS results anyway.

So I contacted school on Monday and truthfully told them, as I always do, that she is having an episode of EBSA, it’s making her unwell, and that I’m not forcing her in. She saw the CAMHS psychologist last week too who agreed with our decision and I explained that. I said we’re happy for her to miss the SATS. I told them that she’ll be staying at home this week, that I was happy to ask her to complete work if they wanted me
to but that I don’t expect them to provide it, given how busy they will be and that if they can’t I will ensure that she completes some homework projects.

I have had several phone calls asking me to reconsider. Which started off as trying to guilt me into ‘think of her future, she needs to do these’ (no, she doesn’t). It culminated in the Head calling me to say that as her year group has only 10 children that her scores make up 10% of the schools results. They know she will very likely excel, and they can’t afford to lose her scores ‘after all the hard work they’ve put in with her over the years’

AIBU to tell them to get to fuck?! They’ve put me through absolute hell the last few years. They’ve lied, they’ve tried to gaslight me, they’ve ignored anything I’ve raised to them until professional documentation has forced their hands, they’ve made it so clear that they’d rather we left and never darkened their doorstep ever again with our pesky child who needs additional help. Despite all of this I have always been polite, calm, civil and professional (even though as a parent it’s really not on me to be professional).

This just takes the absolute biscuit though and I am furious. It’s not just me, I’m not just that one difficult parent. Most children with additional needs end up leaving for elsewhere because the parents just cannot deal with the schools behaviour. I’ve lost count of the number that’ve gone over the years. There’s a reason there’s only ten children (out of a possible eighteen!) left at the end of year 6.

AIBU??

OP posts:
UndermyShoeJoe · 14/05/2025 22:38

all those Covid kids didn’t do sats. My own child included and now doing GCSE’s. Sats don’t matter a jot for the children it’s all about school tables.

No secondary just uses sats scores they all know year six is just training for the test that’s why they all retest within the first month.

sakuraspring · 14/05/2025 22:27

TheNightingalesStarling · 14/05/2025 22:21

Her GCSEs are half her current lifetime away. She will barely remember not doing them by then!

Exactly! I didn't do any exams until GCSES... I didn't just survive them i aced them.

And exams aren't the be all and end all. It's not a sign of failure to wobble. I walked out of an exam at university once, having a panic attack (albeit more due to other things going on in my life). My very prestigious university supported me through it and I ended the three years with the top marks in my year.

Meadowfinch · 14/05/2025 22:27

If she is distressed, pull her out.

SATs are only of use to the primary school, they are no benefit whatsoever to the child or the senior school.

arachnidadriana · 14/05/2025 22:24

Freshair87 · 14/05/2025 20:07

Agree with everyone, you sound like a great mum!

Thank you, that’s kind. I am an exhausted, ground down and hopping mad Mum at the moment but the summer holidays are soon upon us and so I’m looking on the bright side!

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TheNightingalesStarling · 14/05/2025 22:21

Her GCSEs are half her current lifetime away. She will barely remember not doing them by then!

arachnidadriana · 14/05/2025 22:18

Thanks for your responses everyone.

Her new secondary don’t use SATS to set, she’ll do their own tests in Y7. She had a full cognitive assessment in Y5 too which we sent to the secondary when it was named on her EHCP. We funded that privately, along with a further independent Ed Psych assessment for the Y5 annual review but also in an effort to get school to recognise that yes she is very able (she’s 98th percentile) but that doesn’t mean that she doesn’t require the additional support that she is supposed to have, and which is significant. There’s no point being clever if you can’t cope in the environment because you’re not being properly supported, so it’s not accessible to you! It’s sad, because she loves learning.

Shes also sat plenty of tests, they test reading maths and spag each term so she’s not scared of sitting a test generally, they’re not an unknown to her. I can’t remember what they’re called but the results are on her day to day support plan which her LSA follows (or tries to) The LSA is actually brilliant but can only do what she’s allowed to do or not do by the teacher and Head. Those results are updated each term. So she can sit tests, but the fuss about the SATS has just been ridiculous, and too much.

We’ve got 5 years until GCSEs. I am hopeful that with the right support at school and here, she will thrive and manage them. I’ll have to cross that bridge when we come to it. Getting her up to 70% attendance will be a start!

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Soontobe60 · 14/05/2025 22:17

Unfortunately your primarily understandable decision could have several ongoing consequences. Firstly, you’ve taught your DD that when things get a bit tricky she can just opt out - not great for developing resilience. Secondly, when she returns to school on Friday she will need a plausible back story to tell her friends who will all want to know why she didn’t sit the tests. Thirdly, towards the end of term when all the children will be discussing their results, she will be excluded from those conversations. Finally, secondary schools DO use SATs data to target set.
I’m a great believer that where a child is academically capable of taking exams, they should have all the necessary support in order to do so. Your DD could have had access to pastoral support, sat the tests away from the other children, or even had a member of staff come to your home to administer the tests to her in a familiar, safe environment.
All that said, the deed has been done and it’s too late to do anything about it. I would recommend, for her own curiosity, asking the school for copies of the papers so your DD can do them at home under test conditions so that she can get an idea of how well she would have done.

stichguru · 14/05/2025 22:07

Sats are not going to help your daughter.
Sats are not needed
The process of Sats will be tricky for your daughter
I'm guessing there has been and will be plenty of times going forward where she will really need to do things that are tricky or distressing for her and as a good mum, you will have to make her do them.
Sats is not one of them, so she isn't doing Sats.

Even if the school had been amazing for her, she has a disability and it's their job to support her, she doesn't owe them anything, zero, nothing, nought, zilch!

As a disabled worker I once had a boss a bit like this, thought that if she helped me with one thing, I could never claim that she didn't cater properly for my disability. Like mate until what you are doing to help me is magically curing my brain damage, you don't score brownie points which lets you off the hook next time!!

Oddsocksanduglyshoes · 14/05/2025 21:48

Florally · 14/05/2025 19:59

My kids high schools used sats results to set them. Will you not need that?

Kids at private schools don’t even do them and somehow their schools cope!

Sassybooklover · 14/05/2025 21:45

SATS are for the schools legal tables and statistics. My son's secondary school partly uses the SATS results but within the first two weeks of September, the Year 7's sit tests set by the school. It's these results, coupled with the SATS that they use to determine what level the students are at, and which set to put them into. It probably depends on the secondary school, some may use the SATS results more than others. I know of a couple of parents who pulled their children out of the SATS tests (none of the children were SEN), simply because they didn't agree with the tests. For my son Year 6, was boring, he lost all enthusiasm for school - consisted of revising for SATS, sitting SATS, a residential trip and practising for end of year performance. He was bored to tears and couldn't wait to leave. He's now Year 9, and thriving at secondary school.

HeyPooPooHead · 14/05/2025 21:33

SATS involve hot housing year 6s in specific very limited areas, year 6 doesn't offer a particularly inspirational or creative education sadly.

Timpot · 14/05/2025 21:30

surreygirl1987 · 14/05/2025 21:11

I disagree. She's learned that her mum has her back and that her needs matter. That's a really valuable lesson.

I'm a teacher. Just because a child struggled with SATs doesn't mean they'll struggle with GCSEs. And if they do? Accommodations are put in place. But these are worked on over a long period of time, and have the child's best interest at heart. It doesn't sound like anything in this situation has the OP's daughter's best interest at heart (apart from the OP).

Recognizing that I don't know this particular child or situation, I think as a principle you can still have your child's back and give them that strong message, while enabling participation rather than enabling avoidance. You can support access. SATS are a safe risk for an able student. The fear is of the pressure and the unknown more than being a rational fear based in being unable to access academically. They are one of those situations where I would have done everything to try to support making everything else as easy as possible (clothing, pen, snack, space,) and give an option out ("you can ask teachers to call me half way through the test and I will come...") . She's frightened of something she hasn't tried. That's not unusual, but the only way to reduce that fear long term is to face it and find out it's not as bad or frightening as she thought.

HeyPooPooHead · 14/05/2025 21:22

Some school leadership have little capacity for professional reflection.

Childs health, well-being and happiness is priority. As a parent with overview you are best placed to make the decision around sitting or not sitting SATS. You know your child best.

Year 6 SATs are unreliable in regards to setting at secondary level.

CATS are more informative in regards to ability.

legoplaybook · 14/05/2025 21:15

I wouldn't give a thought to GCSEs in 5 years time yet!

The secondary school may use SATs to set classes, they may not - lots use their own CATs. Even if they do, they will just have to use other information to set your daughter, it's not an insurmountable problem.

surreygirl1987 · 14/05/2025 21:11

Timpot · 14/05/2025 20:37

I dunno, she's learnt that she can't manage tests, which might be an issue at GCSE. I would have suggested she have a good try at the first one in a small room with as much comfort support as possible - wear a favourite hoody, use a special pen, whatever - and I would collect her after or even part way through if she needs me to. How will she know if she would have been ok if she never faced that fear?

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I disagree. She's learned that her mum has her back and that her needs matter. That's a really valuable lesson.

I'm a teacher. Just because a child struggled with SATs doesn't mean they'll struggle with GCSEs. And if they do? Accommodations are put in place. But these are worked on over a long period of time, and have the child's best interest at heart. It doesn't sound like anything in this situation has the OP's daughter's best interest at heart (apart from the OP).

sakuraspring · 14/05/2025 21:08

Yes my son's secondary school test early in year 7 and then regularly shuffle children between sets all the way until GCSEs.

User2346 · 14/05/2025 21:06

You are absolutely right I should have told my ds primary school to fuck right off. It is their fault entirely that they didn’t teach him properly or honour his EHCP that he failed. Fast forward to a supportive secondary 2 years later with lots of emphasis on wellbeing and catching up he is flourishing beyond our expectations exceeding all his targets.

NineteenSeventyNine · 14/05/2025 21:05

They can absolutely get to fuck. God this makes me angry - your poor DD, being treated as some sort of results machine with no regard for her wellbeing. YANBU, you sound like a great mum and I wish I’d done the same for my DC.

P.S. Not all secondary schools have sets based on SATS results and those who do generally conduct their own assessments before long anyway to ensure kids are in the “right” stream. SATS don’t benefit children in any way - they’re purely for schools.

Rooroobear · 14/05/2025 21:00

I’d do what’s best for your child op.

my child’s high school don’t use sats to set. They do a little test at high school early in yr 7 however they dont get properly set until yr9 and options. You do you and look after your child x

sakuraspring · 14/05/2025 20:55

Timpot · 14/05/2025 20:37

I dunno, she's learnt that she can't manage tests, which might be an issue at GCSE. I would have suggested she have a good try at the first one in a small room with as much comfort support as possible - wear a favourite hoody, use a special pen, whatever - and I would collect her after or even part way through if she needs me to. How will she know if she would have been ok if she never faced that fear?

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There's plenty of time to do heaps of tests at secondary

sakuraspring · 14/05/2025 20:54

Totally not unreasonable.
I wish I had done the same for my child. I am appalled at her school. Whenever they weren't going a test this week they have been making them do more revision.

And that's before we even think about the fact that the head teacher has been helping some of the children with the answers (my son observed this when he did sats two years ago too, I reported it but nothing happened) Angry

IButtleSir · 14/05/2025 20:45

@Hollowvoice is absolutely right- the SATs do not benefit your daughter at all. They are simply a measure of the school. Hopefully her absence and subsequent lowering of their average will trigger an Ofsted and they will be held accountable for their uselessness.

Timpot · 14/05/2025 20:37

I dunno, she's learnt that she can't manage tests, which might be an issue at GCSE. I would have suggested she have a good try at the first one in a small room with as much comfort support as possible - wear a favourite hoody, use a special pen, whatever - and I would collect her after or even part way through if she needs me to. How will she know if she would have been ok if she never faced that fear?

Bourbonversuscustardcream · 14/05/2025 20:31

I have a year six with ASD doing SATs atm. I have really encouraged mine to take them having put so much work in and for their own confidence and they’ve found it ok in the end - but you can hardly force children into school at their age and at a certain level of anxiety it’s just counterproductive to sit exams anyway. If a CAHMs psychologist has agreed your daughter shouldn’t sit them then that’s pretty definitive and I’d point out to the school they’re asking you to ignore medical advice.

My understanding though is that if they’re off sick this week they’ll be doing SATs next week, having been segregated from their peers in the interim. If you’re sure she’s not sitting them then you probably need her to stay off next week too.

TheeNotoriousPIG · 14/05/2025 20:26

From the Head's reaction alone, it is clear that they care more about the school's shiny record than they do about your daughter. The Head is merely trying to guilt-trip you with, "...after all the hard work we've put in with her over the years".

Your instincts are right. Your child is more important than her school.