This happened to me at the weekend and I feel ashamed I did nothing - Racism

Yes. If you’re saying it’s racially motivated and there’s nothing in what they’ve said to indicate that conclusively. You need evidence

My point is proven.

I think this is more about your issues than mine. We don’t even know if the woman in question is Muslim or not.

but many people do have unconscious bias.

We do now, it is fairly obvious that he was being racist whilst having a dig at immigration.
How can you downplay the statement as maybe not racist?

Yes. If you’re saying it’s racially motivated and there’s nothing in what they’ve said to indicate that conclusively. You need evidence

I would have had the same response had you brought racism towards any other group into this but yes obviously it does raise red flags when a post is about racism towards Muslim people and your response is ‘well what about anti semitism’

Did someone do that on this thread? Not me certainly.

what the man allegedly said may or may not be racially motivated to be honest. We don’t know. Try to be more open minded.

Do I have to "know what's inside someone else's head" before being able to judge what they say or do as racist?

Did someone do that on this thread? Not me certainly.

what the man allegedly said may or may not be racially motivated to be honest. We don’t know. Try to be more open minded.

You don’t know what’s in someone else’s head. Thinking you have to go round policing everyone’s language in case they may be expressing a view you disagree with is ridiculous. It doesn’t help anyone. There is plenty actual racism and hate in society to worry about.

Calling people rats and saying they get given too much, is that racist?

That clearly is an objection to me raising a particular type of racism though. But whatever, I get it’s not fashionable and many on mn would prefer to stick to imagining what is in the head of some white male possibly reform supporter.

SIL at Alton Towers last week with gd 2 and gd 4. Queuing for an adult ride when 3 Muslim lads who had been causing trouble earlier pushed to front of queue. VE day silence was being observed when they started shouting Fuck this get over it, it was years ago.

People were looking at each other when Sil told security who dealt with it. As they marched out they said when they found out who grassed they would seriously hurt them. Obviously in stronger terms.

People are scared to intervene for a multitude of reasons. Bigotry exists in all walks of life.

Are you referring to me saying: "You wanted to make it about Jewish people so just say that. Of course racism and prejudice in general is despicable but this had nothing to do with antisemitism."

If so, that is not an objection. It is a statement that you have made this post, which was about racism towards a Muslim woman, about Jewish people because you wanted to. I also said that racism and prejudice in general (i.e. to all people) is despicable, but that the post had nothing to do with antisemitism.

Thanks!

I don’t think anyone on this thread has “insulted people based on their race”. Not that I’ve seen anyway.

This thread is a prime example of why racists just get away with it. People tie themselves in knots to deny that's what it meant. I love to be so naive, must make life easier

MN is astonishingly racist, just look at what happens whenever a post from black mumsnetters board comes up in active. I think at one point there was a request to have the board hidden from active. I also once saw a comment justifying wearing blackface on Halloween and comparing it to painting yourself blue for a smurf costume

You don’t know what’s in someone else’s head. Thinking you have to go round policing everyone’s language in case they may be expressing a view you disagree with is ridiculous. It doesn’t help anyone. There is plenty actual racism and hate in society to worry about.

You don’t know what’s in someone else’s head. Thinking you have to go round policing everyone’s language in case they may be expressing a view you disagree with is ridiculous. It doesn’t help anyone. There is plenty actual racism and hate in society to worry about.

It's not colour, it's culture.

I think it is obvious that the people who are trying so hard to explain away the man's comment are... well, yeah. Hopefully, they are just racist and not genuinely stupid, because the latter is impossible to argue with, and they never manage to understand the other side's argument.

Your post at 15:21 among others.

why do I need to bring explicit racism towards Jews into a conversation about racism? It’s relevant as I’ve already said. I was contrasting ops pearl clutching about her perception of an ambiguous comment versus weekly explicit racist threats and violence my community experiences. Sorry if you don’t think I should mention it but that’s too bad.