This happened to me at the weekend and I feel ashamed I did nothing - Racism

By offensive things yes 😂

are you going to respond to my question as to what your thoughts would have been had the person in question been Jewish @User46576 ?

It’s name calling to liken a pointless conversation to speaking to a toaster now 🤣🤣

When have I insulted you? I have said you are being obtuse which you accept and say is deliberate!

Some people just love to be offended don’t they

Two things I have realised in my life:

1. A LOT of people think racism is justified of somebody’s behaviour is annoying you.
2. A lot of people are fine BEING racist but become enraged if you call them that.

@familylawyer01392 Im not the only poster being insulted by you. It seems those who disagree are ignorant (lacking intellectual capacity or worse) or have a real lack of comprehension skills. Not very inclusive.

As for me being obtuse, well yes it"s deliberate.

Carry on being offended.

And the other bit? About us giving them everything? How do you explain that?

She shouldn’t have kept on going behind the stall. Rude behaviour. Not everything is racism you k ow, sometimes it’s because they are behaving in a certain way

YABU

Yet you called people on Pro Palestine marches Hamas supporters, and the protests themselves, hate marches.

I am sure that you believe anyone against what Israel is doing to Gaza, is anti-semitic, but what OP has stated is open to interpretation?

Surely you see your own hypocrisy? and racism

I would have taken it as a racist slur but he also could have meant people that rummage around behind the stall are like rats going in and out of all the bags.

So we wouldn't need evidence? And do you mean my preconceptions of what counts as racism?

Your patronising faux-intelligent response isn't doing you any favours. The question is stupid because it's irrelevant, unless you think that when people are rude it's OK to be racist to them.

What on earth is ambiguous about saying "they're like rats" and saying "we" have given "them" everything? Does Mumsnet have anything to say about this thread? Anything about not tolerating justifications of blatant racism?

It isn't ambiguous to call anyone of any minority a rat.

Challenge your racism and bigotry 👍

lol, yeah resort to silly name calling when you’ve lost the argument

It might-or might not be- a stupid question but is certainly a question which seems to puzzle the "I see Racism Everywhere Brigade" as they don't answer it!

Do tell: what is the answer to this stupid question?

I'll start shall I, in order to lead by example.

I think it is worse for someone to invade personal space because in this instance, the stallholder was trying to watch his stall and keep a potential thief out of the area she was not allowed in, after he had told her to leave several times.

Your go!

Begin by writing, " I think it is is worse ......" and then give your choice. Then write "because" and then follow it up, with a reason to justify your choice.

That's pretty basic but I'm sure you-with all your brains-can construct a more elegant and refined way to actually answer that question rather than just call it stupid.

Help the OP! She is struggling with an image of herself as a coward, a racist enabler and, might at any moment, implode with the weight of her conscience!

There won't be a right or wrong answer-just to encourage you- but there might be differing opinions.

Calling people rats and saying 'they' get too much is clearly racist. It's dehumanising to refer to people as animals and there's a lot in the press about immigrants getting too much.

I haven’t said any of that. I’m going to disengage now.

challenge your own preconceptions.

Racism is not a matter of fucking opinion. It's hate and is not covered by 'free speech'

Not of racism when there’s nothing in them to indicate racial motivation.

You've enjoyed a good bit of "whataboutery" on this thread, haven't you, suggesting that antisemitism is a bigger concern than anti-Islamic sentiment? So what if the person in question was clearly Jewish? Would that count as "actual racism", or would we still need evidence?

"It might help if we stop giving them everything" was quite clearly racist.

He should've just told her to bugger off, the second time she went behind the stall after being shooed out.

But these threads irk me when someone witnesses something like this, does nothing and then starts a thread for what looks like sympathy because they couldn't bring themself to speak up.

Your question "What can I say if I find myself in this position again?" is pretty pointless because if you couldn't bring yourself to say "Oi, that's racist", then what's the point in asking Mumsnet?

Either do better or accept that you can't or won't.

I think you do clearly have your own preconceptions about Jewish people. Important to challenge them

The woman may have been Jewish- I know some who do wear headscarves. Again, as I’ve said I think it was an ambiguous comment and not necessarily racist. As I’ve said, we face explicit abuse on a weekly basis- we haven’t got time to worry about ambiguous comments