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This happened to me at the weekend and I feel ashamed I did nothing - Racism

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Changedusernameforthis2 · 14/05/2025 13:56

I was at a car boot sale at the weekend and there was a large stall there- that was a man and wife- selling 'fill a bag' type stuff - they were a house clearance company avoiding paying dumping fees I think

There was a lady there who was wearing a headcovering, she kept going behind the stall and they kept shooing her out
The man said in a sort of 'I'm muttering but loud enough for everyone to hear' way - he said "They're like rats, it might help if we stop giving them everything"
I was really shocked and just walked off but I feel really ashamed I didn't tackle it

What can I say if I find myself in this position again? I do not want to stand by and let it happen- I feel embarassed of being a coward

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MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 15/05/2025 16:40

Miyagi99 · 14/05/2025 15:37

Even for MN this is a weird thread. And that’s saying something.

Ain't that the truth ...

Changedusernameforthis2 · 15/05/2025 10:35

ALittleBitWooo · 15/05/2025 10:12

I’d give up if I were you op, he was clearly racist but trying to educate racist people on there racist remarks is like banging your head against a brick wall. It’s depressing really!

Yes agreed!
It's the supercilious tone of loads of it as well. Definitely copied from the hectoring voices we see on the alternative news channels. Keep asking an adjacent question over and over again

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ALittleBitWooo · 15/05/2025 10:12

Changedusernameforthis2 · 15/05/2025 06:43

I'm not excusing it. They are 2 seperate things.
She's annoying and needs removing from his stall.
He shouldn't be saying the things he said

I’d give up if I were you op, he was clearly racist but trying to educate racist people on there racist remarks is like banging your head against a brick wall. It’s depressing really!

Whatevernext9 · 15/05/2025 09:40

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Poor bloke, making money from a house clearance and then a bit more money selling on what he cleared.

Poor bloke, so inarticulate that he was unable to express frustration at rude behaviour without resorting to racism.

Poor bloke, so sheltered in his life that he thinks the behaviour of one person represents the entirety of a race/ethnicity/religion.

Poor me, that people might think that white English man represents me.

JHound · 15/05/2025 09:33

Potsofpetals · 15/05/2025 02:56

I mean, if you looked at me it would be a pretty weird sentence to come out of my mouth about someone that was dressed in ‘an Islamic way’. But no, obviously I have respect for ALL people.

Before Covid, this country got along fine. The last bit of racism I experienced was 25 years ago when a drunk moron was calling my friend every racists favourite word for everybody that appears to be from south Asia. Obviously we all look the same. My friend loved pointing out that he was Fijian Muslim not the word I can’t use on here. It was fine and we all had a good laugh on the way home.

Either everybody was so bored during Covid they went insane or we’re inheriting America’s problems. Either way this kind of virtue signalling on the internet is just getting ridiculous. This is the 3rd thread I’ve read tonight…What do I do about my racist DH, budgie, MIL, random man selling rubbish…The answer is nothing!!

OP, trust me if she really didn’t speak English there really is no harm done and for all the white people offended by whatever he said, don’t worry about it. You don’t need to say anything. I’m pretty quick. If anything was ever said to me I’d have them looking 2 feet tall in 5 seconds.

This is hilarious.

Truly hilarious.

”Before Covid this country got along fine”

😂

Auroraloves · 15/05/2025 06:51

Changedusernameforthis2 · 15/05/2025 06:43

I'm not excusing it. They are 2 seperate things.
She's annoying and needs removing from his stall.
He shouldn't be saying the things he said

Ok, well if this happens again. I hope you find your voice, I’d have been inclined to tell the woman to get out of the way though, entitled behaviour

Changedusernameforthis2 · 15/05/2025 06:43

Auroraloves · 15/05/2025 06:34

Agree, it’s a pity op is excusing this woman’s behaviour

I'm not excusing it. They are 2 seperate things.
She's annoying and needs removing from his stall.
He shouldn't be saying the things he said

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Auroraloves · 15/05/2025 06:34

MrsMappFlint · 15/05/2025 01:11

And yet, a big blow hard puff of indignation and still no answer cometh!

Why oh why might that be! I'm scratching my faux intelligent head on that one.

I don't think the man was racist at all. I think he kept his cool when a potential thief was intent on going into his personal space, despite being told not to do several times.

He should have insisted on calling security or the police.

Meanwhile, the OP gormlessly looked on-how long did she stand there in order to see this person being repeatedly ask to stop her suspicious behaviour? All the while, she offered the law abiding chap no assistance whatsoever-disgusting!

I can't help wondering what the OP's response would have been if the stall holder had been a Muslim woman and the potential thief a white male skinhead who ignored her repeated request not to go into her private space.

Riddle me that, Oh Wise Woman! Although I think we all know the answer, don't you.

Agree, it’s a pity op is excusing this woman’s behaviour

Changedusernameforthis2 · 15/05/2025 05:41

Potsofpetals · 15/05/2025 01:46

Why are you arguing with people. It seems to me like you have just come on here to argue and stir up tension.

This isn’t the right country. The majority are very tolerant. If he said something in the heat of the moment it’s probably because she would not listen.

I'm not arguing with people, I'm correcting what they say when it's wrong or when it's an attack on me

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Changedusernameforthis2 · 15/05/2025 05:39

MrsMappFlint · 15/05/2025 01:11

And yet, a big blow hard puff of indignation and still no answer cometh!

Why oh why might that be! I'm scratching my faux intelligent head on that one.

I don't think the man was racist at all. I think he kept his cool when a potential thief was intent on going into his personal space, despite being told not to do several times.

He should have insisted on calling security or the police.

Meanwhile, the OP gormlessly looked on-how long did she stand there in order to see this person being repeatedly ask to stop her suspicious behaviour? All the while, she offered the law abiding chap no assistance whatsoever-disgusting!

I can't help wondering what the OP's response would have been if the stall holder had been a Muslim woman and the potential thief a white male skinhead who ignored her repeated request not to go into her private space.

Riddle me that, Oh Wise Woman! Although I think we all know the answer, don't you.

I wasn't gormless or disgusting. But you keep chucking out insults

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Potsofpetals · 15/05/2025 02:56

uhOhOP · 15/05/2025 01:57

Do you, when in the heat of the moment, tend to make racist remarks?

I mean, if you looked at me it would be a pretty weird sentence to come out of my mouth about someone that was dressed in ‘an Islamic way’. But no, obviously I have respect for ALL people.

Before Covid, this country got along fine. The last bit of racism I experienced was 25 years ago when a drunk moron was calling my friend every racists favourite word for everybody that appears to be from south Asia. Obviously we all look the same. My friend loved pointing out that he was Fijian Muslim not the word I can’t use on here. It was fine and we all had a good laugh on the way home.

Either everybody was so bored during Covid they went insane or we’re inheriting America’s problems. Either way this kind of virtue signalling on the internet is just getting ridiculous. This is the 3rd thread I’ve read tonight…What do I do about my racist DH, budgie, MIL, random man selling rubbish…The answer is nothing!!

OP, trust me if she really didn’t speak English there really is no harm done and for all the white people offended by whatever he said, don’t worry about it. You don’t need to say anything. I’m pretty quick. If anything was ever said to me I’d have them looking 2 feet tall in 5 seconds.

uhOhOP · 15/05/2025 01:57

Potsofpetals · 15/05/2025 01:46

Why are you arguing with people. It seems to me like you have just come on here to argue and stir up tension.

This isn’t the right country. The majority are very tolerant. If he said something in the heat of the moment it’s probably because she would not listen.

Do you, when in the heat of the moment, tend to make racist remarks?

Potsofpetals · 15/05/2025 01:46

Changedusernameforthis2 · 14/05/2025 20:17

I know what he meant

Why are you arguing with people. It seems to me like you have just come on here to argue and stir up tension.

This isn’t the right country. The majority are very tolerant. If he said something in the heat of the moment it’s probably because she would not listen.

Potsofpetals · 15/05/2025 01:43

Weird amount of threads about this kind of stuff tonight. I’ve read 3.

Catladywithoutacat · 15/05/2025 01:41

Could be indirectly racist or he was saying the market people like vultures

FrodoBiggins · 15/05/2025 01:34

MrsMappFlint · 15/05/2025 01:11

And yet, a big blow hard puff of indignation and still no answer cometh!

Why oh why might that be! I'm scratching my faux intelligent head on that one.

I don't think the man was racist at all. I think he kept his cool when a potential thief was intent on going into his personal space, despite being told not to do several times.

He should have insisted on calling security or the police.

Meanwhile, the OP gormlessly looked on-how long did she stand there in order to see this person being repeatedly ask to stop her suspicious behaviour? All the while, she offered the law abiding chap no assistance whatsoever-disgusting!

I can't help wondering what the OP's response would have been if the stall holder had been a Muslim woman and the potential thief a white male skinhead who ignored her repeated request not to go into her private space.

Riddle me that, Oh Wise Woman! Although I think we all know the answer, don't you.

I think murder is worse than drink driving, but I still think both are bad. I don't understand your obsession with who behaved 'worst'?

I also don't think prisoners should be spat on by prison officers, for example, even if their crimes are much worse than the crime of spitting.

OP was asking how in the future to respond to a racist comment. You apparently think racism is excusable if someone is in the wrong area of a car boot/ being annoying/ maybe on the rob/ confused about etiquette. That's fine if that's your view, I don't respect it but it's your view. No need to pretend you're setting some all revealing moral puzzle which none but the most intelligent can even grasp.

MrsMappFlint · 15/05/2025 01:15

uhOhOP · 14/05/2025 19:26

Racist words were spoken. Whether or not the woman was at the same time being a nuisance or a thief or whatever doesn't change that. Why do you struggle to understand that?

Because it seems if racist words were spoken-and they weren't in this scenario-that seems to be a bigger sin than someone trying to pinch stuff or at least invade personal space.

We need to get over thinking that there is nothing worse than a racist slur-that a potential criminal act is less important than perceived racism.

That is exactly how Pakistani Rape Gangs got away with their crimes for so long and even today, we have Lucy Powell still trying to be an apologist on those grounds.

It's wearing thin.

MrsMappFlint · 15/05/2025 01:11

FrodoBiggins · 14/05/2025 17:29

Your patronising faux-intelligent response isn't doing you any favours. The question is stupid because it's irrelevant, unless you think that when people are rude it's OK to be racist to them.

And yet, a big blow hard puff of indignation and still no answer cometh!

Why oh why might that be! I'm scratching my faux intelligent head on that one.

I don't think the man was racist at all. I think he kept his cool when a potential thief was intent on going into his personal space, despite being told not to do several times.

He should have insisted on calling security or the police.

Meanwhile, the OP gormlessly looked on-how long did she stand there in order to see this person being repeatedly ask to stop her suspicious behaviour? All the while, she offered the law abiding chap no assistance whatsoever-disgusting!

I can't help wondering what the OP's response would have been if the stall holder had been a Muslim woman and the potential thief a white male skinhead who ignored her repeated request not to go into her private space.

Riddle me that, Oh Wise Woman! Although I think we all know the answer, don't you.

uhOhOP · 14/05/2025 21:08

Menopausalmum43 · 14/05/2025 19:51

As I said I would have taken it as a racist comment. But I wasn't there in the context.

What you actually said was, "I would have taken it as a racist slur but", which is what you've just said again. But what? "But I wasn't there so maybe when he spoke about rats he pointed to a group of rats walking past"???

Changedusernameforthis2 · 14/05/2025 20:17

Suedelfinoofwisterialane · 14/05/2025 19:59

yes, no one knows exactly what he meant. He was right to be annoyed though, it’s fairly obvious she shouldn’t be rummaging.

I know what he meant

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Changedusernameforthis2 · 14/05/2025 20:17

Auroraloves · 14/05/2025 19:29

Do you or OP exactly what he was referring to when he said ‘give them everything?’ I don’t think you do, it’s not clear what his intention was from that sentence alone, he could have been referring to the goods on his stall.

Nope it was very clear what he meant

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 14/05/2025 20:14

Suedelfinoofwisterialane · 14/05/2025 19:59

yes, no one knows exactly what he meant. He was right to be annoyed though, it’s fairly obvious she shouldn’t be rummaging.

Then why add 'we give them enough'?

LegallyLoopy · 14/05/2025 20:00

IPM · 14/05/2025 18:46

Not when I feel someone is asking a genuine question, no.

However bad you think you feel, you can guarantee it won't be anything near as bad as the woman who had no-one on her side.

'Don't be racist' - 3 simple words.

I don’t really feel it’s wise to speak up in these situations. Could be putting yourself and the other people in potential danger.

Suedelfinoofwisterialane · 14/05/2025 19:59

Menopausalmum43 · 14/05/2025 17:30

I would have taken it as a racist slur but he also could have meant people that rummage around behind the stall are like rats going in and out of all the bags.

yes, no one knows exactly what he meant. He was right to be annoyed though, it’s fairly obvious she shouldn’t be rummaging.

Menopausalmum43 · 14/05/2025 19:51

uhOhOP · 14/05/2025 17:34

And the other bit? About us giving them everything? How do you explain that?

As I said I would have taken it as a racist comment. But I wasn't there in the context.