This happened to me at the weekend and I feel ashamed I did nothing - Racism

On what planet is calling a Muslim woman a rat not explicit?

I don’t think anyone on this thread has “insulted people based on their race”. Not that I’ve seen anyway.

Your post at 15:21 among others.

why do I need to bring explicit racism towards Jews into a conversation about racism? It’s relevant as I’ve already said. I was contrasting ops pearl clutching about her perception of an ambiguous comment versus weekly explicit racist threats and violence my community experiences. Sorry if you don’t think I should mention it but that’s too bad.

I think it is obvious that the people who are trying so hard to explain away the man's comment are... well, yeah. Hopefully, they are just racist and not genuinely stupid, because the latter is impossible to argue with, and they never manage to understand the other side's argument.

I think both were in the wrong.

The woman should not have been continuously going behind the stall, whatever she was doing.

The man should not have made that comment. Whether racist or not, there are a million other ways to address this situation without resorting to name calling.

If it was me there, I personally wouldn’t have said anything. I think the only time I would step in would be if it escalated and there was no doubt in anyone’s mind that he was being racist and her not being able to walk away etc.

LOL!

It’s not either / or. Her behaviour led him to respond in a racist manner.

What OP is talking about is racism towards a Muslim person, and there has been 'explicit spoken and written racist language and violence' towards Muslim people in the United Kingdom for over 50 years, with upticks in the 70s, early 00s, 20s. Not to mention global anti-Islamic sentiment and particularly during the genocide in Gaza 😊

Good lord Admin need to take a look at this entire thread.

I’m not. I’m pointing out that it was an ambiguous comment that op doesn’t know is racist or not. I’m contrasting that with explicit spoken and written racist language and violence directed towards Jewish people on a weekly basis. I’m saying there is plenty of actual racism to get worried about and do something about without worrying about an ambiguous comment not even made to anyone.

I’ve said that explicitly several times now.

The boys told your SIL that they are Muslim?

This is a great one.

Play very dim: “what do you mean by them?”

”What are they being given - I don’t understand?”

Please point to where I objected to your mention of anti-Jewish racism. I simply asked why you felt the need to bring it into the conversation. Please don't put words in my mouth as you lack simple comprehension skills.

I don't object but your mention of Jewish people is similar to if this post had been about someone expressing a dislike of bananas and you said "well what about apples and people who dislike them?"

@familylawyer01392 As I said previously, they (not racist or othering sigh) identified as such .You cannot know differently.

Being called ignorant and deliberately obtuse by the professionally offended hmm.

Is insulting people based on their race 'an opinion'?

But you objected to me raising anti Jewish racism and suggesting how op could combat that. Why was that?

An OP referencing racism towards a Muslim woman, yet some of another faith cannot help but shoehorn themselves in.

It is precisely because we are talking about a Muslim - any other religion and they wouldn't say anything.

Plenty of racism on here that's for sure.

People are entitled to their opinions though. Not everyone has to agree and that’s fine

Why are you insiting people choose a particular intolerance to care about? I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate it the other way around.

Because she is asking how to stand up to racism. I’m talking about explicit racism (but the type which isn’t fashionable to challenge). I’m contrasting it with an ambiguous comment which op is imagining is racist (but of a type that is fashionable to challenge in certain circles).

That’s entirely relevant to the conversation. Why do you object to a reference to anti Jewish racism?

Wow there's a lot of deliberately obtuse people on this thread. OP was there, she could see and hear the intention of the comment and she knows it was racist. Other people heard and left the stall because of it. Dehumanising people is a common form of racism - there's very little scope for it being anything else.

Also was the woman doing something terrible? Just because someone doesn't understand the convention of staying a particular side of the stall doesn't mean they were up to no good.

You think he said ' it would help if we stopped giving these buyers everything'. What the heck would that even mean?

My point is proven.

I would usually respond with "what the fuck is wrong with you" or "Who da fuck do you think you are" there are more polite ways to deal with racist people.
I live in a rough area so my way works well for me. 😋

They = people, buyers