AIBU to think going to an RG university means absolutely nothing

@R3s3t That really is complete rubbish. It’s even more rubbish for degrees with a poor fiscal return like English and other arts degrees. It’s 100% obvious that Derby isn’t Durham. Only a fool thinks there are offering the same life chances to DC. Obviously universities have good courses but they are not, and cannot, be first class when the tariff is CCC or lower. My local university is ranked in the bottom 10. How can that possibly be the same as UCL 30 miles away? It’s completely different and obviously inferior.

I hope to God we don’t have people like you advising the brightest and best dc. Otherwise most will be seriously underachieving.

What career is this?

I don’t think it matters. I went to Cardiff as I liked the look of the vodka and red bull bar.
My son is desperate to do a particular course that is very hard to get into so he will apply and go wherever he can get in.
My brother went to Coventry, which I don’t think is known for being one of the best unis (correct me if I’m wrong). He was earning 100 grand, got made redundant and is now earning “a lot more” than that so I don’t think his employees are judging or care where he went to uni.

Haha, just found out I went to a RG uni decades ago!

My children all went to RG unis - not for that reason but for the quality of the courses. And they have all found it beneficial.

Loads of young people have no interest in working g in London, and there is nothing wrong with that.

It has loads going for it in terms of what it can provide socially, culturally and public transport-wise, but for many the negatives - cost of living, dirt, noise and crowds is enough to put a lot of peple off.

DD has spent a lot of time in London recently, and every time she visits she dislikes it more. She prefers smaller cities.

You have not scrutinised every course in every subject in all 24 RG unis over many years.

There are 24 variable unis with hoards of courses and subjects- you don’t automatically get paid more just because your degree is from one of these. It’s a self appointed group and there are far more variables involved.

Well aware Liverpool is RG hence the ridiculousness of some of these comments. The “quality” you insist on is just an out dated self appointed group with several unis not in the self appointed group being better than some in the group. The “ group” itself is pointless, it’s just a self appointed title and pure snobbery.

Youngsters should ignore it and look at all the criteria that matter to them on an individual basis.

DS is at the most random uni in existence, it's something like 106th in the tables. He's also doing an apprenticeship earning £23,000 and his degree is paid for. It was that or an RG and it was a no brainer tbh. He's loves it and very likely to get a job there at the end. He's not bothered on getting the best paid, most stressful job at a top company working silly hours, he just wants to enjoy his work and earn enough to get by.

@R3s3t Liverpool is RG. Also you seem to not understand that most people refer to the university group as RG Plus now. Everyone bar a few, seem to realise Bath, Lancaster, Loughborough, StA and Surrey are equivalent to RG - except they are not members of that group. They might as well be in terms of quality. There’s no difference between them and plenty who are RG. It’s utterly splitting hairs not to see this and keep arguing Lancaster is not “elite”. It is. Just not as elite as Oxbridge or LSE!

The universities requiring a low tariff to get in are unlikely to produce many dc earning mega bucks. Some will of course but overall, not likely. Part of this is because these universities serve a local market. The local market for grads isn’t London in many cases. The students are not applying for high earning jobs in London either. That’s their choice and they are happy.

I’ve already been over the figures
They clearly show RGs way down the League tables from Lancaster but scoring £ the same or more.
Only one had a wage average lower which was as I said clearly not doing well in maths ( 1 subject btw! ) and as I said clearly Maths clearly isn’t their thing.
Not all Unis are top top in all subjects obviously but RGs still do better in terms of salaries and employability ( as others have evidenced )

Ive crunched these figures for other Unis and other courses. The results are always the same. The RGs overal do better along with the usuals like St Andrews.

I don’t know why you refuse to accept facts and the experiences of others. It is what it is.
Im done

Yes because the data you showed showed non Russel group unis with higher and equal wages.

Ok, so the 2017 list of a US based company. Hopefully updated since then though they appear to target ivy league and Oxbridge types.

I’ve crunched the unis chosen by Tizer on a subject mentioned on the thread so I haven’t manufactured the info as I didn’t chose who to compare.
The numbers show the RG benefits and always have in the years I’ve used this info.

People may not like it nor like the methods businesses use to chose employees but this is how it works and again how it has done for a very long time.
League tables vary too much amongst each other and too much over the years with some Unis bouncing up and down all over the place so Employers aren’t glued to them the way schools and students are.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

You need to do some research. Non Russell group unis aren’t all ex polys 🙄 and many Russell group unis ask for the same or less than non Russell group unis.

I think it makes a difference really .my DS went to one .there is a massive difference between a former poly or college .most RG students will have to have proved themselves to get in .My own DS went to a secondary modern boys school, he was taken with slightly lower grades by them .proved himself,went on for an MSC . Now working in industry on a very good wage.1

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The Boston Consulting Group hiring process.

A google search made me find the full image

Newcastle is a strange one. It isn’t very high in league tables that matter but dc often love it. Cheaper place to live and a fun time guaranteed.

And where is that cropped from? Some company that isn't keeping up with league tables or wanting to hire aspirational kids from poor backgrounds who can only attend a local uni and commute.

I mean if you are binning a job application from a maths or comp sci graduate from Lancaster but keeping one from Nottingham or York you are a wally. They are all clustered around the same point in the league tables, incidentally rather above Newcastle. I have no truck for idiots who would chuck out bright kids arbitrarily like that, based on them attending a uni that didn't join a self selecting research boys' club.

@Daphnesf Look at who crunched the data! The IFS I referred to earlier. It’s largely true there is a RG premium but of course it blurs at the ended and elite non RG are obviously not below RG in any way.

I saw this on the BBC as well

I saw this on another thread about what university to go to. Some firms do prescreen by what the university is and prioritise their hiring accordingly.

You haven’t though.

So somebody from Liverpool, Ulster, Southampton, Newcastle, Glasgow, Cardiff, Leeds etc stands out more to you than the many non Russel group unis like Bath, Lancaster, St Andrews , Surrey, Loughborough etc that are rated far higher. Bit foolish really. You need to move with the times.

And RG means 'research intensive uni'..

But doesn't mean they are the only group of universities that take research seriously though ...