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5 year old in the ladies. Is it okay?

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LoveFridaynight · 13/05/2025 08:52

At what age would people feel uncomfortable to have a child of the opposite sex in the "wrong" toilet?
I was told off yesterday for taking my nearly 5 year old son in to the ladies. A woman in there said he should use the men's. No-one has ever said anything like this to me before. I could understand if he was a teenager or something but a young child?
Really? On his own? At 5? Not that he could anyway as he's autistic and not toilet trained so I needed to change his nappy.
I thought afterwards I should have used the disabled toilet but I try to avoid that incase someone who can only use the disabled toilet comes along. I think I will just do this in future though.
But regardless of disability I don't think children under the age of 9 should be in the toilet on their own.
What are your thoughts on the age a child should be using the "right" toilet?

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PoppyFleur · 13/05/2025 13:07

Topohthemornin · 13/05/2025 10:16

You are then ignoring the needs of that teenage boy….disabled and learning disabled children ,(depending on their particular conditions ) can also go through puberty, develop secondary sexual characteristics, can have sexual desires and needs , it is wrong to infantilise a disabled teenager and we must also respect THEIR privacy hence why we have disabled / accessible facilities .

At that point in time I presume his most pressing need was to empty his bladder, and his mum was hoping to avoid him soiling himself. As I mentioned, the disabled facility was occupied, I doubt his mum would have used the ladies toilets if another option was available. Let’s not extrapolate too much from the scenario, the mum was making the best choice she could in the moment.

viques · 13/05/2025 13:04

GRex · 13/05/2025 09:50

It really depends on the toilet. DS has used the single room type toilets in a cafe since he was 5, gents in quieter locations since he was 6. In a very busy shopping centre I don't like him going alone at 7, but it's fine with a friend. I did have one woman try to shoo him out of the ladies when he was 6, so I told her to leave him alone, but I think it was a sort of set-up that she'd come up with to try and start a row. Didn't work. In general I would expect boys up to 8 with mum, but over that only if they have additional needs. Judging age and needs is difficult enough for everyone to leave lots of leeway though, DS is taller at 7 than some littler secondary school boys near us.

Swimming is a different challenge, it's hard for a 7yo to get the swim top off wet, as well as washing hair properly, drying and moisturising properly. I do think swimming needs to be 8 minimum or even 9, or have family changing room options.

You could take the swim top off before the child goes to change. Washing hair “properly” and moisturising “properly” are things you can do at home .

Topohthemornin · 13/05/2025 13:00

SENSummer · 13/05/2025 12:46

I have a 5 year old son who is massive so looks around 8/9. He is non verbal, severe learning disabilities, autistic.

No one has ever batted an eye at me taking him into the ladies. If there are family toilets of disabled loos I often use them as he does have a blue badge but equally I don’t feel wrong to use the ladies either. Personally I think as long as kids are obviously ‘kids’ so right up to about 10/11 it’s fine. Surely it’s when they reach puberty that the whole ‘gender separation’ thing kicks in anyway?

You may need to google when puberty begins! There were girls in my daughter’s year who started their periods at 8, and an 8 year old these days is definitely curious about bodies and how babies are made and school education reflects this . My daughters friend was sexually assaulted by a boy in her year at school when she was 7 so people are sometimes misinformed about the importance of protecting primary age kids privacy .

SinkToTheBottomWithYou · 13/05/2025 12:58

SENSummer · 13/05/2025 12:46

I have a 5 year old son who is massive so looks around 8/9. He is non verbal, severe learning disabilities, autistic.

No one has ever batted an eye at me taking him into the ladies. If there are family toilets of disabled loos I often use them as he does have a blue badge but equally I don’t feel wrong to use the ladies either. Personally I think as long as kids are obviously ‘kids’ so right up to about 10/11 it’s fine. Surely it’s when they reach puberty that the whole ‘gender separation’ thing kicks in anyway?

Girls often start puberty from 9-10 they are allowed their privacy and dignity.

Readytohealnow · 13/05/2025 12:56

ilovesooty · 13/05/2025 12:37

You can't access the female toilets in my leisure centre without being in the female changing room. I'm not too bothered personally about strict age limits for the toilets themselves but the changing rooms where women and girls are undressed are not places I want boys over 7 to have access to.

You are correct

JHound · 13/05/2025 12:56

I would ignore her. She sounds like an idiot.

SinkToTheBottomWithYou · 13/05/2025 12:55

Chicken5ausage · 13/05/2025 12:48

No issue with boys under 11ish I’d say.

No it is 8, not 11.
The 10yo girl who is starting puberty shouldn’t not have to be exposed to a boy this age when getting changed or handling period protection.

Most women are ok with boys 8-11 (late primary basically) but this is not fair on the young girls. If the boy or his parents are not comfortable with him using the men space alone they can find another solution but NOT allow him in the women space.

ilovesooty · 13/05/2025 12:53

I can't believe anyone has an issue with a 5 year old boy though.

Happyholidays78 · 13/05/2025 12:52

The woman's mental! My son came in with me (not in the same cubicle) until he was 11 then when he went into the men's in restaurants etc I stood outside & made it clear I was waiting e.g when he went in I would say quite loudly 'I'm just here by the door'. I did this until he was about 14! I don't give a dam if people think that made me look deranged!

Tetchypants · 13/05/2025 12:51

ilovesooty · 13/05/2025 12:44

If they need prompting use the family room.

Not all pools have family changing rooms, ours doesn’t and they’re at opposing sides of the pool so are nowhere near each other. Whats more, the men’s area didn’t have any cubicles at that time.

I can’t tell you how uneasy I felt sending my small 8 year old son off to a closed room with naked men in it, while I dealt with his sister in the women’s changing rooms. Awful,

SinkToTheBottomWithYou · 13/05/2025 12:51

Doesn’t everybody know the cutoff is usually 8?

Why so many threads on this topic recently? Is it spamming by trans groups to try to make it seem like women are crazy about the changing room / loos? IRL, nobody has an issue with a 5yo
with his mum in the women’s loo.

ilovesooty · 13/05/2025 12:51

GRex · 13/05/2025 12:48

There isn't one at that pool.

Oh I see. The cut off point is 7 at mine but there is a family room.

ilovesooty · 13/05/2025 12:50

Chicken5ausage · 13/05/2025 12:48

No issue with boys under 11ish I’d say.

If they're accessing women's changing areas I don't want boys that age in there. I think 11 is too old for the ladies toilets too.

coxesorangepippin · 13/05/2025 12:49

No way, 5 is too young

GRex · 13/05/2025 12:48

ilovesooty · 13/05/2025 12:44

If they need prompting use the family room.

There isn't one at that pool.

Chicken5ausage · 13/05/2025 12:48

No issue with boys under 11ish I’d say.

SENSummer · 13/05/2025 12:47

I was recently at a motor way services where the queue for the women’s toilet had got totally out of hand (as they do) and the men’s was, of course, no queue. So all the women were sending all the kids in with their dads! I’m talking all kids 10 ish and bellow, in the men’s. Nobody cared and cut the queue in half for the women’s

ballroomblue · 13/05/2025 12:46

Lots of nutty people about. She's one of them. Ignore.

SENSummer · 13/05/2025 12:46

I have a 5 year old son who is massive so looks around 8/9. He is non verbal, severe learning disabilities, autistic.

No one has ever batted an eye at me taking him into the ladies. If there are family toilets of disabled loos I often use them as he does have a blue badge but equally I don’t feel wrong to use the ladies either. Personally I think as long as kids are obviously ‘kids’ so right up to about 10/11 it’s fine. Surely it’s when they reach puberty that the whole ‘gender separation’ thing kicks in anyway?

BobbyBiscuits · 13/05/2025 12:45

It seems OTT to expect a fiver year old to go to the men's alone. So yeah that woman was wrong. I guess the response would be 'he's only five and he needs me to help him'.
Maybe she doesn't have kids? Or was just being a bit weird.

ilovesooty · 13/05/2025 12:44

GRex · 13/05/2025 12:41

Personally I do find swimming pool ages anachronistic. I mean, it is a bit mad to expect just turned 7 to wash and dry themselves effectively, as well as necessarily being alone and naked... but to think they shouldn't be going into a public toilet alone for a quick wee, a task that they do multiple times a day on their own anyway. I know I'm sensitive because it's my child's age, but DS barely rinses half the soap out of his hair, he needs prompting, but he won't be ready to fly solo until 8 at this rate... and after swim lessons I see all the girls his age being helped too!

If they need prompting use the family room.

GRex · 13/05/2025 12:41

Personally I do find swimming pool ages anachronistic. I mean, it is a bit mad to expect just turned 7 to wash and dry themselves effectively, as well as necessarily being alone and naked... but to think they shouldn't be going into a public toilet alone for a quick wee, a task that they do multiple times a day on their own anyway. I know I'm sensitive because it's my child's age, but DS barely rinses half the soap out of his hair, he needs prompting, but he won't be ready to fly solo until 8 at this rate... and after swim lessons I see all the girls his age being helped too!

ilovesooty · 13/05/2025 12:39

polarsystem · 13/05/2025 11:59

I think this is fair enough being that he has autism and, is in his own cubical.

It isn't fine if he's accessing the women's changing area on his way to the cubicle. He needs to be in the disabled or family facility.

Penguinfeet24 · 13/05/2025 12:39

My kids have gone in the mens on their own since they turned 8.

ilovesooty · 13/05/2025 12:37

Readytohealnow · 13/05/2025 11:58

This. In most primary schools KS1 have shared toilets and KS2 have gendered ones. Many girls would not want to go in the toilets if they knew boys were in there. Why would a girl who is perhaps having periods want to be in the same space as her 11 year old male classmate.

Edited

You can't access the female toilets in my leisure centre without being in the female changing room. I'm not too bothered personally about strict age limits for the toilets themselves but the changing rooms where women and girls are undressed are not places I want boys over 7 to have access to.

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