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5 year old in the ladies. Is it okay?

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LoveFridaynight · 13/05/2025 08:52

At what age would people feel uncomfortable to have a child of the opposite sex in the "wrong" toilet?
I was told off yesterday for taking my nearly 5 year old son in to the ladies. A woman in there said he should use the men's. No-one has ever said anything like this to me before. I could understand if he was a teenager or something but a young child?
Really? On his own? At 5? Not that he could anyway as he's autistic and not toilet trained so I needed to change his nappy.
I thought afterwards I should have used the disabled toilet but I try to avoid that incase someone who can only use the disabled toilet comes along. I think I will just do this in future though.
But regardless of disability I don't think children under the age of 9 should be in the toilet on their own.
What are your thoughts on the age a child should be using the "right" toilet?

OP posts:
Bushmillsbabe · 14/05/2025 07:31

TatteredAndTorn · 13/05/2025 23:11

I really do not understand why anyone would care about a supervised male child being in the ladies toilet at almost any age. Changing rooms are different but you don’t see anyone unclothed in a ladies toilet. Unsupervised male adults or children over about 8 should not be in the ladies toilets.

I would not be sending a young boy unsupervised into a men’s toilet under any circumstances. Thee is zero risk to women if I supervised that same child in the ladies but a huge risk to that child unsupervised in the men’s.

To be honest there needs to better catering for opposite sex parent/child combinations. I think it’s more difficult for men taking care of female children as definitely not ok to take them into the men’s and adult males shouldn’t be in the women’s either.

It's OK to take a female child into the men's up to about 5/6, with a hand over their eyes if any urinals. From 7/8 they can go into the women's toilet on their own.

Itcantbetrue · 14/05/2025 07:11

I'd rather a 5 year old boy in ladies than 5 year old girl in mens

Needspaceforlego · 14/05/2025 07:07

Neverforgetwhothisisfor · 14/05/2025 00:56

I feel a bit guilty now - I’ve only stopped letting my son come into the ladies loos with me when he turned 11….
I know it’s no excuse but he is hopeless in the men’s loos because he will only go in a cubicle and there not many of those. If he can’t find one then he just comes out without going at all.

Seriously I wouldn't worry about it.
MN is almost overly protective of girls but boys are expected just to get on with it.

DrPrunesqualer · 14/05/2025 01:05

Tandora · 14/05/2025 00:50

Eh? You are more ok with adult men in ladies than boys under 10?

There is no logic to this batshittery. When will it stop?

@Butchyrestingface

Adult males should never be in the woman’s toilets for whatever reason.
If their daughters need the toilet they need to take them to an accessible facility.

Neverforgetwhothisisfor · 14/05/2025 00:56

I feel a bit guilty now - I’ve only stopped letting my son come into the ladies loos with me when he turned 11….
I know it’s no excuse but he is hopeless in the men’s loos because he will only go in a cubicle and there not many of those. If he can’t find one then he just comes out without going at all.

Tandora · 14/05/2025 00:50

Butchyrestingface · 13/05/2025 09:29

I think it does raise a question about why females are always expected to accommodate males in the women’s toilets (whether because they’re under ten, or disabled, etc).

Men bring their little girls into the women’s toilets. That makes sense in a way, since they will eventually use the women’s facilities on their own.

But the same principle doesn’t work in reverse. Everyone and their dog takes their sons into the women’s facilities. So men don’t have to tolerate with the presence of females in their toilets but women always have to accommodate males. And this thread alone shows the discrepancy of thinking around what age and stage should be a cut off.

Eh? You are more ok with adult men in ladies than boys under 10?

There is no logic to this batshittery. When will it stop?

x2boys · 14/05/2025 00:24

We need way more changing places in the UK so.that this shouldn't be a problem and disabled children and adults are treated with dignity .

Fruitbat99 · 13/05/2025 23:35

10 but its difficult to tell a childs age

TatteredAndTorn · 13/05/2025 23:11

I really do not understand why anyone would care about a supervised male child being in the ladies toilet at almost any age. Changing rooms are different but you don’t see anyone unclothed in a ladies toilet. Unsupervised male adults or children over about 8 should not be in the ladies toilets.

I would not be sending a young boy unsupervised into a men’s toilet under any circumstances. Thee is zero risk to women if I supervised that same child in the ladies but a huge risk to that child unsupervised in the men’s.

To be honest there needs to better catering for opposite sex parent/child combinations. I think it’s more difficult for men taking care of female children as definitely not ok to take them into the men’s and adult males shouldn’t be in the women’s either.

DrPrunesqualer · 13/05/2025 22:48

Bushmillsbabe · 13/05/2025 22:41

But at 9 some girls are entering puberty, and may feel really uncomfortable entering a changing area with boys the same year group as them - year 4. I know my year 4 daughter does. She has a right to feel safe and comfortable too.
As others have said, the reasonable cut off is infants vs juniors - so end of year 2, or 7 years old.

I agree with this but OP is talking about toilets. With locked doors. Not changing areas.
I can’t imagine a young looking small 8 year old boy is that safe in the mens. Especially when women wouldn’t feel safe either in there.

Bushmillsbabe · 13/05/2025 22:41

DrPrunesqualer · 13/05/2025 18:54

8 is still far too young imo.
Unless he’s a very big sturdy strong 8 year old.

No parent should be ashamed of protecting their child.

Edited

But at 9 some girls are entering puberty, and may feel really uncomfortable entering a changing area with boys the same year group as them - year 4. I know my year 4 daughter does. She has a right to feel safe and comfortable too.
As others have said, the reasonable cut off is infants vs juniors - so end of year 2, or 7 years old.

DrPrunesqualer · 13/05/2025 19:15

YosemiteTrail24 · 13/05/2025 19:03

Clue is in the wording.

No it’s not!

Disabled means ‘can accommodate’ disabled.
Not
Only for

They aren’t parking spaces needing blue badges
They are for everyone…..legally.
Lets not deny women ( particularly for various reasons ) the use of all facilities there for them

YosemiteTrail24 · 13/05/2025 19:03

DrPrunesqualer · 13/05/2025 18:24

@YosemiteTrail24

Tell me where it states disabled toilets are for disabled people only

Ill answer for you
No where

They aren’t

I design buildings. Accessible toilets are designed to ‘accommodate’ disabled people and nothing more. Women queuing up waiting to use a toilet and leaving the disabled toilet free because disabled people think they have a right to it’s sole use are denying themselves facilities designed for them as well.
Young boys being sent into mens facilities because mum is too worried to use the accessible toilets is being forced to put her child at risk because disabled people wrongly assume accessible toilets are all there’s

They aren’t

Clue is in the wording.

YosemiteTrail24 · 13/05/2025 19:02

SinkToTheBottomWithYou · 13/05/2025 14:17

I was answering your previous comment about a 9yo. Obviously a 5yo is welcome in the women’s loo.

Obviously a 5 year old can but so can a 9 year old.

DrPrunesqualer · 13/05/2025 18:54

LoveFridaynight · 13/05/2025 18:47

So do you think I should have sent my 5 year old in to the men's then? I would feel incredibly uncomfortable being in the men's room with him and given his SEN it would be even more of an issue

8 is still far too young imo.
Unless he’s a very big sturdy strong 8 year old.

No parent should be ashamed of protecting their child.

LostMySocks · 13/05/2025 18:48

LoveFridaynight · 13/05/2025 18:47

So do you think I should have sent my 5 year old in to the men's then? I would feel incredibly uncomfortable being in the men's room with him and given his SEN it would be even more of an issue

Not your 5 year old no. But yes when he is 8 and moves from infants to juniors.

LoveFridaynight · 13/05/2025 18:47

LostMySocks · 13/05/2025 14:02

During COVID rules post lockdown we had to be post our kids into the pool ready to swim and then collect from a different exit afterwards. Parents weren't allowed in.DS were 5 and 7 at the time so just dried a put and pulled on a onesie or dressing gown. We then went home for showers etc
As parents it is our job to set our boys up for success and help them develop independent changing. It is also our job to ensure that they respect women's boundaries. We currently have a massive issue with boys ans young men not respecting women. Not enforcing boundaries with our boys in female spaces is the start of a slippery slope....

So do you think I should have sent my 5 year old in to the men's then? I would feel incredibly uncomfortable being in the men's room with him and given his SEN it would be even more of an issue

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DrPrunesqualer · 13/05/2025 18:25

Yellowbluemonday · 13/05/2025 17:28

100% true but if some person has issues & worried about creeps in men’s room AND disabled toilet is free
seems like the right choice

@Yellowbluemonday

Its not 100% true

Its 100% untrue

DrPrunesqualer · 13/05/2025 18:24

Yellowbluemonday · 13/05/2025 17:28

100% true but if some person has issues & worried about creeps in men’s room AND disabled toilet is free
seems like the right choice

@YosemiteTrail24

Tell me where it states disabled toilets are for disabled people only

Ill answer for you
No where

They aren’t

I design buildings. Accessible toilets are designed to ‘accommodate’ disabled people and nothing more. Women queuing up waiting to use a toilet and leaving the disabled toilet free because disabled people think they have a right to it’s sole use are denying themselves facilities designed for them as well.
Young boys being sent into mens facilities because mum is too worried to use the accessible toilets is being forced to put her child at risk because disabled people wrongly assume accessible toilets are all there’s

They aren’t

HeyThereDelila · 13/05/2025 18:20

That woman was being v unreasonable.

No way would I send my 6 year old DS unaccompanied in to the men’s. He comes with me to the ladies or with DH to the men’s if he’s available, and if in to the ladies he comes in to my cubicle.

DrPrunesqualer · 13/05/2025 18:17

aster10 · 13/05/2025 13:24

These accessible toilets, are these the ones that are typically marked with the wheelchair sign? Or do you need to look for a different sign? I let my boy and girl twins change quickly for their lesson in our leisure centre in these types of toilets, but I feel guilty towards the disabled people, although there has never been a problem (we occupy it once a week for 5 minutes, and there are two of them).

Yes.
They often have wheelchair signs on to identify to disabled people that this is the room big enough to accommodate them.
Not just big enough but with grab bars etc etc.

The image on the door doesn’t mean anything more than these are designed to accommodate people who have different access needs.

When we design buildings we do so in accordance with Building regs and standards re number of WCs needed / capacity. The number of Accessible facilities is included within those numbers. If you don’t use the facilities provided then you’re denying provisions there for you…..for everyone.
Women often lose out because they spend longer using facilities, are more likely to have children who need support, are pregnant and can’t fit in cubicles ( I had this carrying twins) and are more likely to have incontinent issues

If there are accessible facilities just use them. They are for everyone. You have kids who need to change @aster10 theres absolutely nothing to feel guilty about and no one has a right to make you feel that way.

GRex · 13/05/2025 18:17

Neither of you are disabled though, right? So use the main toilets. In single toilet places you can start sending him on his own so he gets used to it, and build up over a year or two.

LoveFridaynight · 13/05/2025 18:07

Thanks for the replies. I didn't think there was anything wrong with it and wouldn't send him in to the men's alone anyway.
I was just curious about what others thought was acceptable. I didn't engage with the woman at all. Just carried on in to the cubicle but afterwards I thought maybe using the disabled cubicle would have been the best option

OP posts:
Disturbia81 · 13/05/2025 18:03

5 is fine, I was doing it until 10

ilovesooty · 13/05/2025 17:54

GRex · 13/05/2025 17:53

Ha. Some people are a bit wild unfortunately. Always worth checking!

Fair enough.

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